In support of Evans

[CopenhagenBlade]

Looking forward to Ched coming back and it would be nice to see him given a chance in a team that is trying to play football and playing with 2 strikers. I think, that like Utd were last season, Ched was pretty unlucky on a number of occasions. I don't think that a player hit the post or crossbar more than him. Now of course you make your own luck but it must have been pretty demoralising for him standing up front alone and 50 meters from his nearest team mate who was hoofing the ball in the general direction of his head.

If he plays and fails under DW at this level then I will happily hold my hands up and say waste of money but until he gets that chance I feel that it isn't his fault.He scored goals at Norwich and they play football so lets see if he can do it with us.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Ched was pretty unlucky on a number of occasions.

Some twat picked him for the team and send him out on the pitch expecting a footballer.

Thats unlucky.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Not saying it's an excuse for not playing him, but wouldn't it just be Sod's Law if he came into the side, looked a world beater in our new style of playing, scored a hatful...........

and then got sent down for a few years in January.

 

[broomhillblade]

He's back in the Reserves this afternoon.

Apparently he's been out due to a niggling ankle injury.

And there was me thinking that his problems were more in the groin area...

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Some twat picked him for the team and send him out on the pitch expecting a footballer.

Thats unlucky.

Constructive! Like Britton, Dyer and Bardsley were all slated for being 'crap' but manage to play at a higher level than we are and be successful. maybe it is some of the fans who can't see it or maybe the style of play doesn't suit the player. Give Evans a chance under DW and then you can call him what you like

 

[mattbianco1]

Some twat picked him for the team and send him out on the pitch expecting a footballer.

Thats unlucky.

Collins was toss. Doyle was toss.

The right manager and style of play seems to have changed them.

 

[Guesty]

Constructive! Like Britton, Dyer and Bardsley were all slated for being 'crap' but manage to play at a higher level than we are and be successful. maybe it is some of the fans who can't see it or maybe the style of play doesn't suit the player. Give Evans a chance under DW and then you can call him what you like

I thought Bardsley was quite good.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

I thought Bardsley was quite good.

There were many on here slagging him off.

 

[Kenilworth]

I thought it was supposedly Clayton McDonald that was in support of Ched

 

[Tuns]

Constructive! Like Britton, Dyer and Bardsley were all slated for being 'crap' but manage to play at a higher level than we are and be successful. maybe it is some of the fans who can't see it or maybe the style of play doesn't suit the player. Give Evans a chance under DW and then you can call him what you like

few things show how football is about opinions more than Ched.

In my opinion he is the worst value player (Ebrell was injured) in the history of the club.

No pace, no brain, not great in the air, not a great finisher..... We got flattered cos he was from City and had a purple patch at Norwich. Were our scouts doing their job?

The fact someone likes him gets to become a millionaire on the back of people like us typifies what has gone wrong with football and this club.

Amongst my many reasons for not getting a ST last year - continuing to contribute to his wages was right up there in my top 10.

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Constructive! Like Britton, Dyer and Bardsley were all slated for being 'crap' but manage to play at a higher level than we are and be successful. maybe it is some of the fans who can't see it or maybe the style of play doesn't suit the player. Give Evans a chance under DW and then you can call him what you like

few things show how football is about opinions more than Ched.

In my opinion he is the worst value player (Ebrell was injured) in the history of the club.

No pace, no brain, not great in the air, not a great finisher..... We got flattered cos he was from City and had a purple patch at Norwich. Were our scouts doing their job?

The fact someone likes him gets to become a millionaire on the back of people like us typifies what has gone wrong with football and this club.

Amongst my many reasons for not getting a ST last year - continuing to contribute to his wages was right up there in my top 10.

 

[JohnDenver]

There were many on here slagging him off.

Including me. He was nothing better than average for us and his effort was questionable, but then only Beattie and Cahill looked like footballers under Robbo, so it's no real disgrace. It annoyed me that we had a player who'd never let us down sitting in the bench (Geary), while a highly paid loanee took his place. Just like it annoyed just about everyone last season with Nyron taking home £20k a week.

Conversely, I thought Britton was as good a midfielder as we've had in years, trapped in a poor team and a crude system. As for Dyer, he looked good when he was allowed to play but the manager didn't like him and we saw little of him.

So none of them were truly crap. If Ched gets a chance in this league and fails yet again, then he can own that moniker for keeps.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Including me. He was nothing better than average for us and his effort was questionable, but then only Beattie and Cahill looked like footballers under Robbo, so it's no real disgrace. It annoyed me that we had a player who'd never let us down sitting in the bench (Geary), while a highly paid loanee took his place.

Ditto. I've seen Bardsley play several times for Sunderland since then, and he still seems fairly average. Britton and Dyer on the other hand looked decent, and weren't playing ahead of better players.

 

[Crazyblade]

Genuine question here guys - should we be even considering playing someone with such a serious charge against them? And what does it say for our Club if we do play him?

I have my own opinion but I'd be curious to read others.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Genuine question here guys - should we be even considering playing someone with such a serious charge against them? And what does it say for our Club if we do play him?

I have my own opinion but I'd be curious to read others.

Hard to answer Crazy. In the eyes of the law he is innocent until proven guilty but it certainly questions the morals of the club if we do play him. If he had a job somewhere else he would carry on working until he was proven guilty it is just that a club, I believe, has some social responsibility to its fans and community whereby it might be bestthat he doesn't play. Fans seem to be able to accept so long as the player is a huge star, eg Gerrard at Liverpool carried on playing but maybe a lesser name might have taken more flak.

 

[Billyblade]

Hard to answer Crazy. In the eyes of the law he is innocent until proven guilty but it certainly questions the morals of the club if we do play him. If he had a job somewhere else he would carry on working until he was proven guilty it is just that a club, I believe, has some social responsibility to its fans and community whereby it might be bestthat he doesn't play. Fans seem to be able to accept so long as the player is a huge star, eg Gerrard at Liverpool carried on playing but maybe a lesser name might have taken more flak.

Most football clubs don't have any morals when it comes to players. I would not be offended if United played Evans as he is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty then he should be dropped like a stone, then our morals would not come into contention. I am far more offended that certain clubs have chosen to employ Lee Hughes and Marlon King after both being found guilty. OK they have served their time but if clubs have a moral responsibility then they should not be employed in my opinion.

As a side note, I have said on many occasion that Ched Evans biggest problem is that he is as thick as pigshit.

 

[Deleted member 875]

It's a difficult one to call.

I don't think anyone knows which way his rape charge is going to go, because nobody outside his legal team, and the club will know what the prognosis is, and the likelihood of him getting convicted.

For all anyone could know he could be absolutely bang to rites and he has raped an innocent girl, or it could all be a stitch up designed to make a slag a few bob out of a professional footballer.

Either way Ched has been exceptionally stupid to get drawn in to all this, it's all well and good being a professional footballer, all the trappings and fame that come with it, but he is in the public eye and if it was a stitch up designed to make someone a few bob, then quite clearly he has been very stupid to fall in to the trap. It's all well and good being holier than thou, but i would guarantee that there is not many of the male's who populate this board who have gone out at one time or another, got pissed and ended up in having a one night stand, if the other participant is pissed as well, then it could quite easily easily classed as unlawful as the other participant could be classed as being in an unfit state to consent to sexual intercourse in the eyes of the law.

Its my own gut feeling that Ched should be left out of the side until this is all resolved one way or another. It doesn't matter either way if he is guilty or not, i don't think it really serves any purpose to have him in the side, and leave him under pressure to rebuild his career whilst he has this hanging over his head. He needs to be kept away from the spotlight whilst all this is going on, and if he is found guilty then drop him like a stone, but if he is non guilty then he should be allowed to be rebuild his career and make amends of the complete utter car crash his career at the Lane has been so far.

On a purely footballing perspective, i don't rate Ched Evans. I don't think he has the heart, the footballing brain or the talent to be a top striker, and i think he has been a waste of time and resources. If he is found not guilty and allowed to rebuild his career, but it is my gut feeling that he has blown it, and when it comes down to it when he is skint at 30 because he has blown his money, blown his career and is playing park football whilst holding down a full time job, then it will he, and himself only to blame

 

[geekblade]

Evans might have been unlucky but it is his ineptitude on and off the field that has put him where he is. I don't buy the unlucky argument for one second he did nothing. Slow, awkward, inaccurate no vision the list goes on. If he get's convicted, sack him. If he is found not guilty then sack him at the nearest opportunity. Nothing less than a massive waste of money in my opinion we had better matches last season when he wasn't in the starting line up. I'm not blaming Evans for the nightmare that was last season but he was a very big part of it and still on the payroll for his troubles. He's a striker, he's paid a lot of money to do that job yet...well...his record speaks for itself. He's not only to blame of course, it was Blackwell that signed him I think. Like many on here I'm a season ticket holder and I resent a proportion of my wages going to that man. Useless.

Fair enough the right thing to do might be to give him a chance and see how he goes at this level with a team playing passing football. But regardless of the legal situation if I was DW I would be very careful before letting him get anywhere near a first team league match.

 

[alcoblade]

Collins was toss. Doyle was toss.

The right manager and style of play seems to have changed them.

Ched's tried under 4 managers, over 2 seasons, and been consistantly dross throughout. How anyone would think he's worth thr risk of disrupting the team is beyond me.

UTB

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few things show how football is about opinions more than Ched.

In my opinion he is the worst value player (Ebrell was injured) in the history of the club.

No pace, no brain, not great in the air, not a great finisher..... We got flattered cos he was from City and had a purple patch at Norwich. Were our scouts doing their job?

The fact someone likes him gets to become a millionaire on the back of people like us typifies what has gone wrong with football and this club.

Amongst my many reasons for not getting a ST last year - continuing to contribute to his wages was right up there in my top 10.

Saved me the typing though sadly my season ticket money continues to allow a park footballer to celebrate the life of a multi millionaire.

UTB

 

[JJ Sefton]

...............

 

[Pinchy]

Ched's tried under 4 managers, over 2 seasons, and been consistantly dross throughout. How anyone would think he's worth thr risk of disrupting the team is beyond me.

UTB

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Saved me the typing though sadly my season ticket money continues to allow a park footballer to celebrate the life of a multi millionaire.

UTB

Sadly it does: Mine too. Cheer up though, he'll be off to Leeds once he's fit enough to give away penalties.

 

[alcoblade]

Sadly it does: Mine too. Cheer up though, he'll be off to Leeds once he's fit enough to give away penalties.

Leeds - another club and manager, along with Wilson, that can't spot what you can. Have a think about it when you trudge off to work in the morning.

At least you got one thing right - Quinn. Oh, wait......

UTB

 

[Pinchy]

But has Quinn got it right? Or will you duck that one in the same way as Worshipful Master Judge and the rest of the Lodge?

 

[raul]

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:
"We invaded you last night - we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:

"We never pay any one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"

Hold that line Pinch.

 

[Pinchy]

It would take more than a few pints of Kipling, Raul!

 

[alcoblade]

But has Quinn got it right? Or will you duck that one in the same way as Worshipful Master Judge and the rest of the Lodge?

What on earth are you talking about? Are you continually pissed?

UTB

 

[SwissBlade]

Putting aside Ched's trial, I for one would be really glad to see him back.

This division and Danny Wilson's style (yes you did read me right) might be just what he needs to get his playing confidence back again.

His record pre United shows that he can score goals, just like BT. But unlike BT he has age on his side.

Just like BT he has fitness issues.

Unlike BT he is already contracted to United so if we're already paying his wages get him playing!

I don't care if his "head isn't in the right place" - fook him. He either did or didn't do what he's been accused of, but he needs to man up, grow a pair and do what he's paid to do.

Once he's match fit, stick him in the team

 

[CG Blade]

Putting aside Ched's trial, I for one would be really glad to see him back.

This division and Danny Wilson's style (yes you did read me right) might be just what he needs to get his playing confidence back again.

His record pre United shows that he can score goals, just like BT. But unlike BT he has age on his side.

Just like BT he has fitness issues.

Unlike BT he is already contracted to United so if we're already paying his wages get him playing!

I don't care if his "head isn't in the right place" - fook him. He either did or didn't do what he's been accused of, but he needs to man up, grow a pair and do what he's paid to do.

Once he's match fit, stick him in the team

I have to 100% agree here, I think Ched given the right service would score goals in this league. I believe he is a better player than many give him credit for, but all strikers unless you are an exceptional player, need to play in a formation that suits them, so far Ched has not done. DW formation would be ideal for him. Stick him in, if at a later date he is convicted of the rape offence, then he is out of the club, but till then play him.

 

[grafikhaus]

Agree with Swiss. I think, like several other of our players he might have 'found his level' in the Third.

Also, and I don't know if this is a United thing, but talk about guilty until proven innocent! If a West Brom player gets pissed, drives and kills somebody, fair dos. If he were a serial gangsta like Ravel Morrison, well then maybe. Many, many players are guilty of far worse than the allegations agains Evans.

If he's getting his fitness back, it's part of DW's job to 'get his head right' and utilise him in our team (if selected).

And as for the 'holier-than-thou' brigade, never took a slag young lady back home/hotel after meeting her in a club? Thought not.

 

[Darren]

Many, many players are guilty of far worse than the allegations agains Evans.

Hmm, short of killing someone, I don't think you get many more serious criminal allegations than rape.

 

[Kenilworth]

And as for the 'holier-than-thou' brigade, never took a slag young lady back home/hotel after meeting her in a club? Thought not.

No grafikhaus, not when I have been in a relationship (like Ched was supposed to have been) or when married. It's called being an adult and it's being a man.
Wouldn't want it done to me so wouldn't do it to anyone else.
I am certain I saw something that talked about Ched moving into a house in the Ecclesfield area with his mrs (not sure if he is married or not - maybe his partner) prior to this all coming out.

A lot of the stupidity that surrounds Ched is the fact that he is a pro footballer and will get tarts throwing themselves at him - so it takes a strong moral compass to resist but it also takes a very stupid person to get themselves in a position to be accused of such a thing that is so potentially career threatening.

As far as I can see he shows they same lax attitude to improving himself on the pitch - nothing he does suggests he has the mental capacity, fortitude, drive or ambition to become a successful pro footballer. He has a few good attributes, for sure, but the overall package is well short of any class. I am not talking about an ability to perform amazing feats of mental agility here just the capacity to learn from others, improve, read the game (the best players have this ability as an inate gift - like Rooney e.g. but you wouldn't want him in your University Challenge team - would you?)

As for being more at his appropriate level in Division 3, maybe he could be - but he seldom, if ever, heads the ball, nor gets to the front post, nor does he get in where it hurts and he is on a premiership wage structure. He should be improving quicker than he has and not using the previous instability in management as an excuse for poor form. Maybe DW can get more out of him through his man management skills but there is no way Ched should be on anything like he is given the clear lack of talent he displays.