If The Pigs Were To Appoint an Ex - Blade....

[axel smeets]

As manager, what do you think the reaction of their supporters would be? Some of those that scoffed at us for demonstrating in the car park didn't really have an answer when I asked them what they would do if the situation were reversed.

 

[Eckingtonian]

They wouldnt.

 

[shorehamview]

I'm not bothered what their reaction would be apart from how it would measure on the hilarity scale. I do however think that the car park at Hillsborough would have more than a few polyester-clad dole pilots with plenty of time on their paws, gnawing their own shoulders, dribbling and frothing at the mouth. Still, no different to most days at Chateau Swill, really.

 

[BladeInThatcham]

If, for example, Chris Wilder worked some wonder at Oxford, led them to 2 promotions in the next 2 years and got them playing attractive football. Then Wednesday came in for him.
I don't think the fans would be going mental at all because he would have a great record behind him.
The main problem with the Danny Wilson appointment is the fact that his record - especially in league 1 - is shocking. You should only appoint someone with Wednesday history IF they have a proven record behind them. Danny doesn't. I honestly don't think so many people would be as pissed off if Danny had a record of numerous promotions and honours.

 

[Silent Blade]

Off the top of my head the only backroom staff that Wendy had that were ex Blades are John Harris (under Jack Charlton), Frank Barlow and Dennis Finnegan (Youth)

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

When Wednesday were said to be courting Warnock a couple of years ago (before appointing Irvine), the Wendies seemed to be 50/50 split over it. There were many saying that NW was exactly what they needed, the rest couldn't see past his United connections.

The difference? Warnock is a proven good manager, Wilson isn't so good. How would the Wednesday fans react if Adrian Heath took over? He almost took us down, as Wilson did with them.

 

[sheffielder]

Wilson just doesn't have a good record but that doesn't mean he won't succeed here. His Wednesday connections are just going to make it harder for him and that is why I think it was a bad appointment and that is my main grief. It will kick off royally if this goes wrong and you thought it couldn't get any worse now!?

If we had appointed Sheridan I would have had no problem with it because he is a man on the up, now ask yourself whether the wednesday fans would protest if they got Kevin Blackwell or Adrian Heath?

 

[bendylegs]

what would pigs say

if warnock became pigs manager what do you think they would say, i recon they would love him if he did well ,

 

[Crazyblade]

Yeah, because Warnock has had a lot of success. Compare that to the record of Danny Wilson, please.

When will you people realise that it's not just because he's an ex Pig??? He's a shit manager.

 

[bendylegs]

but he is still blades through and through ain,t he

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Difference is that Warnock is an out and out Blade (so he reckons). As far as I'm aware, Danny Wilson was a Wigan born Man Utd fan.

 

[bendylegs]

so wot all moaning about is it becouse he is a pig , or becouse he is a shite manager.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

When Wednesday were said to be courting Warnock a couple of years ago (before appointing Irvine), the Wendies seemed to be 50/50 split over it. There were many saying that NW was exactly what they needed, the rest couldn't see past his United connections.

The difference? Warnock is a proven good manager, Wilson isn't so good. How would the Wednesday fans react if Adrian Heath took over? He almost took us down, as Wilson did with them.

Another big difference is that Warnock is a self-confessed Blades fan all his life, who would've love to manage Wednesday, totally shit them up and then retire to laugh and laugh. Wilson has no such ties with the swamp, Man Utd fan as a kid, I believe.

 

[sothall blade]

i think you have to look at the situation as i have,ok DW is ex-pig and he was who i wanted,but he is a professional bloke who needs a job,he will get paid to manage and i am sure he will be trying his best for our club however,if he does not do a decent job what will he have gained ? possibly/most likely the sack,loss of any bonus payments have his reputation tarnished real bad so ALL the football world will see he is a shit manager thus no one else will offer any further employment...........i dont think so,he will do his best,time will tell,we shall see. we all like to think in our dreams,yeah i would like to manage wendy,sign shit players,get them relegated,but thats it my friends dreams,it dont happen in real lie

 

[kent-blade]

The underlying reason behind the adversity to Wilson is his wednesday roots. Some are clinging on to the 'bad manager' argument but, despite being unimpressive, he's not that bad really.

I enjoy the rivalry with wednesday as much as any other blades fan, but I don't hate them. Half the petty 'pig hating' that goes on is just another excuse for a 'who has a bigger dick' contest. If you genuinley hate wednesday, like those snarling brutes waving their crude rag in the car park, then I can see why trying to be objective would pull you face to face with some grim home truths.

 

[Rudders]

Can we not merge the two identical WWTPD threads??

 

[oldblade]

Yeah, because Warnock has had a lot of success. Compare that to the record of Danny Wilson, please.

When will you people realise that it's not just because he's an ex Pig??? He's a shit manager.

That is a very, very inaccurate statement.

His record certainly isn't the best in the world, but no amount of exaggeration or poetic licence makes it poor.

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so wot all moaning about is it becouse he is a pig , or becouse he is a shite manager.

The facts show quite clearly that he is neither.

 

[Crazyblade]

That is a very, very inaccurate statement.

His record certainly isn't the best in the world, but no amount of exaggeration or poetic licence makes it poor.

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The facts show quite clearly that he is neither.

I beg to differ.

He has managed 6 clubs. He has managed 4 of them - whether in charge at the point or resigned / booted just before - to relegation. He has a 39% win rate as a Manager.

Piss. Bloody. Poor.

 

[jockdodds]

I beg to differ.

He has managed 6 clubs. He has managed 4 of them - whether in charge at the point or resigned / booted just before - to relegation. He has a 39% win rate as a Manager.

Piss. Bloody. Poor.

Guess what Neil Warnock's win ratio is, with all the promotions he has under his belt?

39.66%

 

[Crazyblade]

Guess what Neil Warnock's win ratio is, with all the promotions he has under his belt?

39.66%

The difference is the promotions. Danny Wilson cannot state that.

 

[kent-blade]

I beg to differ.

He has managed 6 clubs. He has managed 4 of them - whether in charge at the point or resigned / booted just before - to relegation. He has a 39% win rate as a Manager.

Piss. Bloody. Poor.

39% is by no means bad, if you take in to account the various factors that set the bar for success/failure in each particular case. It's very clumsy to draw absolute conclusions on Wilson without having a fairly in depth knowledge of his career.

 

[oldblade]

I beg to differ.

He has managed 6 clubs. He has managed 4 of them - whether in charge at the point or resigned / booted just before - to relegation. He has a 39% win rate as a Manager.

Piss. Bloody. Poor.

Danny Wilson's record of wins/lossess:

Barnsley Won 74 Lost 72
Sheffield Wednesday Won 23 Lost 40
Bristol City Won 107 Lost 64
MK DONS Won 25 Lost 32
Hartlepool Won 58 Lost 46
Swindon Won 43 Lost 37

In short, at only one club has the number of losses been significantly higher than the number of wins.

At Swindon, MK Dons and Bristol City all the matches played were in the division in which we now find ourselves. He won 175 and lost 133 matches at those three clubs over an eight or nine year period. That is not a poor record.

 

[Crazyblade]

You don't call relegating 4 teams (or near as dammit before resigning or being pushed) poor??

 

[kent-blade]

You don't call relegating 4 teams (or near as dammit before resigning or being pushed) poor??

I'm not fit to comment. I only know as much about the circumstances Wilson was under at those clubs as the others who post on this board, which is not too much (unless we have any long-term Danny Wilson enthusiasts among us). I've gathered he might have had a poor team to work with at MK Dons, and possibly had key players sold at Swindon, but those are only very superficial thoughts, so it would be rash of me to make any assumptions. I'll make those when I feel I've seen enough of him as sufc manager to be qualified to do so.

 

[oldblade]

You don't call relegating 4 teams (or near as dammit before resigning or being pushed) poor??

Swindon were by no means relegation certainties when he left. Hart had a worse record for the part of the season that he was in charge. But what happened there was beyond the control of either manager. A club like Swindon just cannot expect to sell the players that they did without dire consequences.

Barnsley going down from the premier league (after he took them up in the first place) was hardly a failure. No disrespect intended to Barnsley, but expecting them to stay up is a bit like expecting Swindon or Blackpool to get to the premier league and stay there.

Milton keynes Dons. He saved them in his first season and didn't manage it the next. Wow.

Sheffield Wednesday. Wouldn't argue that he failed there. But given some of the totally irrational hatred for them displayed by some of our supporters, I would have thought that would have made him a hero.

In short, he has won more than he has lost, he has had successes and some failures, with some mediocrity as well. I would say that makes him about average. And as we are in a below average position at the moment, maybe we have appointed above our station!

 

[Crazyblade]

maybe we have appointed above our station!

You have got to be kidding me.

I truly hope he proves me wrong, all I see is mid table mediocrity or worse. How anyone can suggest he is a good manager is beyond me.

 

[oldblade]

I would have thought that the laughing face at the end was a clue to the fact that my comment was tongue in cheek.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

You have got to be kidding me.

I truly hope he proves me wrong, all I see is mid table mediocrity or worse. How anyone can suggest he is a good manager is beyond me.

I don't think OB or anyone else is suggesting he's a good manager, they may however be suggesting that he's not as bad a manager as some are pointing out!

 

[Crazyblade]

I would have thought that the laughing face at the end was a clue to the fact that my comment was tongue in cheek.

Sorry Old, my sense of humour is lacking when it comes to this appointment.

Apologies.

 

[Foxy]

He has a 39% win rate as a Manager.

Piss. Bloody. Poor.

Some around him in the Piss Bloody Poor section of the management league:

David Moyes - 43.94%
Roy Hodgson - 43.28%
Alan Pardew - 42.99%
Mark Hughes - 41.09%
Harry Redknapp - 40.26%
Mick McCarthy - 40.22%
Neil Warnock - 39.66%
Kevin Blackwell - 39.51%
Danny Wilson - 39.24%
Mark Robins - 38.18%
Ian Holloway - 37.55%
Tony Pulis - 37.19%
Steve Bruce - 37.08%
Sean O' Driscoll - 36.58%
Gary Speed - 31.82%