I think its time to stop...

[FTPE]

I would say it's too early to say on the Captain front (6 league games in an 4 wins and 2 losses seems fairly reasonable at the moment looking at the bigger picture) how do you judge a captain? I dont think he hides that's for certain. when he gets beaten he at least attempts to get back (which is more than some players do)

I dont think he is a "worldbeater" by any stretch, however I don't think he is as bad as people make out. (so there is probably an element of the fighting his corner because he has been made a "scapegoat", but I wouldnt say it was wholely because of this.

I have some differing opinions to Adkins and will say them (for example playing Baxter and expecting something from it) I have no doubt Baxter CAN be a quality player if and when he puts his mind to it... unfortunately this is far too infrequent for me.

does that answer your question?

Perfectly.
A captain for me has to lead by example. I know that's a cop out but that's the main thing in my eyes.
Motivation, dedication, heart, hunger, aggression are all very important but you have to lead by showing footballing ability too. For all Roy Keane's drive and passion he was one hell of a player. It's not a personal thing, I couldn't stand Doyle but I thought the world of Monty but I still sighed whenever their name came up on the team sheet. Basham is no Viera but he has every attribute to be a good captain at this level in my eyes.
He might not talk much on the field(which I do like to see) but I'd rather a quieter captain than one who was a "do as I say not as I do man".
Inconsistent players like Baxter and Murphy drive me insane but I'd much rather pay to see someone with footballing ability have an off day when things they try don't come off than see a hardworking but limited footballer make mistakes I'd be ashamed of making on a Sunday morning.
Look, I believe in Nigel 99.9%!
It was 100% but I strongly feel that he's picked the wrong captain. I didn't want Sharp or Sammon but they are proving me wrong. I
Cringed when Long started against Gillingham but Adkins soon sorted that. I pissed and moaned when the transfer window closed and we hadn't signed another center half, but I have total faith that he'll sort it. I can't remember the last time I was so impressed with a new manager, I want everything he does to come off, but McEveley is costing us points and I can't overlook that.

 

[blade too long]

He had had at least two pops from distance already, yes. One of them was in the first half after the whistle had already gone (leading to some grumblings about a booking for kicking the ball away). I recognised it and I just pay to watch, the professionals on the field should have spotted it to. And it wasn't just him on the ball that United failed to close down, they had the ball for ages before the goal.

Tell me, why do these 'one in a million shots' keeping going in against us? Bad luck, divine intervention, incompetence?

Just saying 'well you don't often see that!' after an opponent has scored from 30 yards is not a helpful or useful response. I hop that not what Adkins told his players in the dressing room.

numbers
great shots go in v man utd
great shots go in v accrington
great shots go in v charlton

hard to believe but every team in the league lets in goals

I watched Barcelona lose 4-1 start of the season in the spanish super cup to atl bilbao

teams get goals scored against them
unless your under the delusion that because we shouldnt be in this league we should never concede
we are too big, if so your going to be very disappointed

 

[Guesty]

numbers
great shots go in v man utd
great shots go in v accrington
great shots go in v charlton

hard to believe but every team in the league lets in goals

I watched Barcelona lose 4-1 start of the season in the spanish super cup to atl bilbao

teams get goals scored against them
unless your under the delusion that because we shouldnt be in this league we should never concede
we are too big, if so your going to be very disappointed

Stop making up points that I haven't made. You specifically said that the shot from which Bury scored their second was 'one in a million'. And yet that is exactly what was said for Crewe's winner last season, and a few other goals we conceded (Eriksson's first, for example). So which is it? Are they actually far more common than that, are we hugely unlucky or do we let in more than we should, for whatever reason?

Personally, I plump for option three because the pressure on the ball before Bury's goal was so dreadful as to be non-existent. That is something tangible that can be worked on (and I hope it is), not just a declaration of 'well, you don't stop them' and going on pretending the team were in no way at fault for conceding.

It's your attitude that I find defeatist, something I know you won't have been accused of much!

 

[Bladebri]

close the player down its not rocket science, give them room to run with the ball and we have seen the result on a few occasions.

 

[blade too long]

close the player down its not rocket science, give them room to run with the ball and we have seen the result on a few occasions.

again if barcelona let in 4 in one game how can a poor league one club get players that can close down players 35 yards out from having a pop

yes it was our defences fault
for not kicking him up in the air he scored
we should have seen a 35 yard thunderbolt coming , how stupid of us

by the way if we had scored it would it have been a great goal or utterly shit defending from bury

are you really saying Jagielka s 35 yard screamer v leeds was due to shit leeds defending then
they failed to close him down

 

[Bladebri]

again if barcelona let in 4 in one game how can a poor league one club get players that can close down players 35 yards out from having a pop

yes it was our defences fault
for not kicking him up in the air he scored
we should have seen a 35 yard thunderbolt coming , how stupid of us

by the way if we had scored it would it have been a great goal or utterly shit defending from bury

are you really saying Jagielka s 35 yard screamer v leeds was due to shit leeds defending then
they failed to close him down

No I'm not saying that, how many defender were running with the bury play, it looked like a race to the line if just one player moved towards him just maybe he wouldn't have got the shot off, yes there is going to be times when players score from distance like jags, and the bury goal was a great goal, but also bad defending from sheff Utd, I know you can't always be shoulder to shoulder with players but running in the front of them in the same direction then they will have a pop, just my opinion I don't expect everyone to agree.

 

[bartman]

are you really saying Jagielka s 35 yard screamer v leeds was due to shit leeds defending then
they failed to close him down

Haven't you heard? It was McEveley's fault

 

[blade too long]

No I'm not saying that, how many defender were running with the bury play, it looked like a race to the line

there are no lines 35 yards out

 

[AlienBlade]

Perfectly.
A captain for me has to lead by example. I know that's a cop out but that's the main thing in my eyes.
Motivation, dedication, heart, hunger, aggression are all very important but you have to lead by showing footballing ability too. For all Roy Keane's drive and passion he was one hell of a player. It's not a personal thing, I couldn't stand Doyle but I thought the world of Monty but I still sighed whenever their name came up on the team sheet. Basham is no Viera but he has every attribute to be a good captain at this level in my eyes.
He might not talk much on the field(which I do like to see) but I'd rather a quieter captain than one who was a "do as I say not as I do man".
Inconsistent players like Baxter and Murphy drive me insane but I'd much rather pay to see someone with footballing ability have an off day when things they try don't come off than see a hardworking but limited footballer make mistakes I'd be ashamed of making on a Sunday morning.
Look, I believe in Nigel 99.9%!
It was 100% but I strongly feel that he's picked the wrong captain. I didn't want Sharp or Sammon but they are proving me wrong. I
Cringed when Long started against Gillingham but Adkins soon sorted that. I pissed and moaned when the transfer window closed and we hadn't signed another center half, but I have total faith that he'll sort it. I can't remember the last time I was so impressed with a new manager, I want everything he does to come off, but McEveley is costing us points and I can't overlook that.

but where is he costing us points? I think the common consensus was that the first was a foul in the Saturday game and should have been dealt with after that by many other players, the second was sammon/wallace not closing down, the third although he should have done better it wasnt his position to defend... where was Collins and Freeman attempting to tackle Clarke...) last night he was the one screaming for the ball as an outlet (heart and hunger?) he was the one who drove into the box when all others around him was attempting to pass sideways (drive, aggression?) he actually played some telling balls too (McNulty should have done better from when he was played down the line from McEveley's pass) Basham should have done better from the McEveley's cross into the box. when we scored the second.. it was McEveley who took the throw in and had worked doggedly to get the thow ins.

as I said I am not saying he is a world beater... (we are in League one... none of them are) but I think last night showed more the flaws which kept Collins out of the side last season.... he almost got caught dithering, when a square ball was played in to a player stood on the edge of our box the central defenders were no where to be seen... it was only a bad first touch that allowed Edgar to come in and block.

I was reading some of the comments on Facebook last night... and everyone was still banging on about McEveley being to wholely blame.... which for last night was nonesense.... (he actually looked like the only one wanting to get the ball forwards) despite being jeered as he misplaced a pass when attempting to deal with poor passes made towards him. (yet many others baxter, freeman, collins, woolford, sammon, sharp etc. guilty of the same thing under no pressure seemingly got a free pass from fans...)

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Losing two out of every six is miles off the pace, OK we can get 90 points if we win the games left (66%) but can the clappers see that happening?

Three draws sees us on 84 and that's play offs.

Points lost in August and September hurt as much as those lost in March and April.

We're down to 81 projected points now, still if we wait it'll all come good.

 

[AlienBlade]

again if barcelona let in 4 in one game how can a poor league one club get players that can close down players 35 yards out from having a pop

yes it was our defences fault
for not kicking him up in the air he scored
we should have seen a 35 yard thunderbolt coming , how stupid of us

by the way if we had scored it would it have been a great goal or utterly shit defending from bury

are you really saying Jagielka s 35 yard screamer v leeds was due to shit leeds defending then
they failed to close him down

but it didnt need to be a thunder bolt... closing down a player is surely "Football 101".... if he isnt closed down he can shoot... he can play the ball when he wants, he can wait for the best oppotunity to thread in a pass... blimey if we really dont close him down he could simply walk the ball in...

all of the above can be stopped by closing the player down!

and if we had walked through the midfield and defence unopposed it would have been shit defending... I would have also needed a check up at the doctors to get some heart pills.... our lot wouldnt know how to shoot... let alone from distance.

 

[Hodgyman]

If you want another example, look what happened for Colchester's second goal. It came from a throw-in of ours taken by ? have a guess.