I Hope My Concerns Are Unwarranted.

[Mad Mick]

But it's very quite at BDTBL. I'm not expecting a large influx of players, but we need at least 1 new CB if not 2. The biggest issue we had last season was defence, a child could see that, so I'd be shocked if it's not sorted. We do have good players up front and NA may be able to get them motivated, so I'm not as concerned about attack. My worry is it takes time for new players to get used to their new club and their colleagues. Even if we sign a very good CB he will not have trained with the players and will need to get up to speed. This takes time and it's one luxury we don't have.

 

[dingledog]

Stop worrying about things you can't alter. If it happens, it happens. There's nowt you can do to influence it one way or another.

 

[mattbianco1]

But it's very quite at BDTBL.

Indeed

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

But it's very quite at BDTBL. I'm not expecting a large influx of players, but we need at least 1 new CB if not 2. The biggest issue we had last season was defence, a child could see that, so I'd be shocked if it's not sorted. We do have good players up front and NA may be able to get them motivated, so I'm not as concerned about attack. My worry is it takes time for new players to get used to their new club and their colleagues. Even if we sign a very good CB he will not have trained with the players and will need to get up to speed. This takes time and it's one luxury we don't have.

Your concerns are not unwarranted - history [last season] shows that weak defences let goals in, fact - and we'd need both Messi and Bale to score the goals we'll need to overcome having no centre halves.

The squad is not too bad, the manager is an improvement on paper but there is a gaping hole in the centre of defence that needs plugging.

 

[Barney]

2 weeks and 3 days to sign 2 centre backs and ideally a couple more at midfield and strike to strengthen and then get them all mixing with the rest of the group ready for the start of the season. Your concerns are definitely not unwarranted on that basis. We'll just have to wait and see if Adkins comes up with the goods before 8th of August, hope so.

 

[Davie Blade]

I'm pretty sure we are now very close to the budget FFP.
We need to get rid of lots of players before we can move, such is the fecking mess NC left us in when he gambled the house ( JTW ) on promotion. No way is 35 plus squad players a sustainable postilion, to build a promotion push.
Adkins said he hasn't a transfer war chest from day one.

Sorry but we need to be patient with NA, after the transfer excesses of Robson mark2.

 

[Bladebri]

We have 2 options

Option 1 bring in two CB

Option 2 Fasion 2 CB from the players we have.

Should have thought about that last season.

 

[Blade56]

2 weeks and 3 days to sign 2 centre backs and ideally a couple more at midfield and strike to strengthen and then get them all mixing with the rest of the group ready for the start of the season. Your concerns are definitely not unwarranted on that basis. We'll just have to wait and see if Adkins comes up with the goods before 8th of August, hope so.

Exsqueeze me

 

[AlienBlade]

I'm pretty sure we are now very close to the budget FFP.
We need to get rid of lots of players before we can move, such is the fecking mess NC left us in when he gambled the house ( JTW ) on promotion. No way is 35 plus squad players a sustainable postilion, to build a promotion push.
Adkins said he hasn't a transfer war chest from day one.

Sorry but we need to be patient with NA, after the transfer excesses of Robson mark2.

considering we got rid of Iain Turner, Michael Doyle and Ben Davies, to name but three who wouldnt have been on small wages, not to mention the players which have gone back due to the end of the loan and we have only brought in 1 (and if Woolford is more money than those three put together (remember we were still supposingly after a CB after the signings) as I have already pointed out where is this "30+" squad figure coming from do people count the under 3's and those still in the womb?

we have actually only have 26 Bone Fide "first team squad players" and that includes Reed, Che and Diego. and of those 26, 1 is definitely injured (Brayford), 1 is I think Injured (Kennedy) and 2 are injury prone... (Wallace and Flo the latter being "withdrawn from the Ilkeston game as a precaution")

not as big a squad as people think.... also those which are under 21 I believe are not included in the SCMP workings.

IF we are so strapped then spending money on a winger such as Woolford is even more ridiculous as even someone that's recently escaped from the local institution can see we are desperate for a CB....

 

[Barney]

Exsqueeze me

A couple more, 1 at midfield and 1 at strike respectively.

^^^
What it was meant to say.

 

[Grappler]

considering we got rid of Iain Turner, Michael Doyle and Ben Davies, to name but three who wouldnt have been on small wages, not to mention the players which have gone back due to the end of the loan and we have only brought in 1 (and if Woolford is more money than those three put together (remember we were still supposingly after a CB after the signings) as I have already pointed out where is this "30+" squad figure coming from do people count the under 3's and those still in the womb?

we have actually only have 26 Bone Fide "first team squad players" and that includes Reed, Che and Diego. and of those 26, 1 is definitely injured (Brayford), 1 is I think Injured (Kennedy) and 2 are injury prone... (Wallace and Flo the latter being "withdrawn from the Ilkeston game as a precaution")

not as big a squad as people think.... also those which are under 21 I believe are not included in the SCMP workings.

IF we are so strapped then spending money on a winger such as Woolford is even more ridiculous as even someone that's recently escaped from the local institution can see we are desperate for a CB....

Not sure that Turner was on a wedge, but am sure I was told that Doyle and Collins were the last of the big wages players (until Brayford arrived anyway)

 

[blade too long]

Dear concerned of Sharrow

Not everything in life happens when we want it to , but good things are often worth waiting for

choose in haste , repent at leisure

what we need to say to Adkins next May

 

[Pierre's PC]

Stop worrying about things you can't alter. If it happens, it happens. There's nowt you can do to influence it one way or another.

This, this and soooo much this!

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

What I have learnt from Adkins so far is we have 6 captains now- yeah that is pretty much it.

 

[Jonboy60]

Got to be championship/ premiership,out of favour,or fringe players needing game time to come in on loan. Me thinks.

 

[Davie Blade]

we have actually only have 26 Bone Fide "first team squad players"

Oh really. LOL
Care to Name them!
WTF does Bone Fide mean and have any relevance to what exactly......................???
When player wages included in the SCMP calculation relate to all contract players (full contract, non-contract, multiplicity etc.) and loan players

Forgive me but I think eras tailing or blocks out of, springs to mind.

 

[Bladesway]

I'm pretty sure we are now very close to the budget FFP.
We need to get rid of lots of players before we can move, such is the fecking mess NC left us in when he gambled the house ( JTW ) on promotion. No way is 35 plus squad players a sustainable postilion, to build a promotion push.
Adkins said he hasn't a transfer war chest from day one.

Sorry but we need to be patient with NA, after the transfer excesses of Robson mark2.

Yeah Robson MKII. This is the most ridiculous statement I have heard in a while. 2 cup semi finals in 12 months, beating Premiership teams on the way and a decent win ratio. Clough got things wrong but to make a statement like that just shows you up in my opinion. One if the longest winning streaks I can remember. Robson almost got us relegated and spent every bean we had, Clough saved us from relegation. Unfortunately the expectation in the second season wasn't met so he got fired but your comparison is unwarranted and unjust in every way.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Oh really. LOL
Care to Name them!
WTF does Bone Fide mean and have any relevance to what exactly......................???
When player wages included in the SCMP calculation relate to all contract players (full contract, non-contract, multiplicity etc.) and loan players

Forgive me but I think eras tailing or blocks out of, springs to mind.

<< Under SCMP, 'Wages' relates to player wages only (director remuneration and general club staff wages are not included in the SCMP calculation). Player wages included in the SCMP calculation relate to all contract players (full contract, non-contract, multiplicity etc.) and loan players. Wage costs for players loaned out to other clubs are deducted for the period of the loan. Wage costs for Youth players on a professional contract are also excluded (i.e. players that have been in the club’s Youth Development scheme and have been given a pro contract); they must be 20 years of age or under at the start of the season to be discounted from the SCMP calculation. >>

We don't have 35+ players over the age of 20

 

[HighfieldBlade]

 

[William Large]

There will be a bloody good reason why we haven't signed anyone (Woodford apart) so far. Either Nigel is happy with what we have or he's trying to get someone in but hasn't finalised it yet. Either way I'm sure that he actually does know what he is doing, it's not his first job FFS. I wish people would stop stamping their feet and bleating about the lack of transfers. Yes, in my opinion we need to ship out some of the average players and bring some quality in but I'm quite sure that if I can see it, that an experienced manager can see it.

 

[Jonboy60]

It'll be reight.

 

[NZ Blade in Nelson]

Just remind ne when Wolves signed their talisman Macdonald? They seemed to do OK. I certainly have more faith in NA than Kenny "I'll get my" Jackett. Bu dum tsh!!

 

[Kenilworth]

From last night's game it's pretty clear to me that NA is not rushing to look at CB as it seems to me he is happy with McEv and Collo in the centre with McGahey as cover - and Bash if required.
I wouldn't bet on a new CB coming in before the season starts.

 

[Revolution]

From last night's game it's pretty clear to me that NA is not rushing to look at CB as it seems to me he is happy with McEv and Collo in the centre with McGahey as cover - and Bash if required.
I wouldn't bet on a new CB coming in before the season starts.

If so, this is very bad news. I'm a big Collins fan, but he hasn't had much football in the last year and the two Macs spent most of last season proving they weren't up to the job.

And whilst I know Basham can do the job if required, I'd prefer him not to do that job, and focus on one position, as it's fairer to him and better for the team.

I will be very disappointed if we don't sign a decent centre half, because that would mean it's last seasons defence plus Collins and minus Brayford, which equals no promotion.

 

[BushBlade]

<< Under SCMP, 'Wages' relates to player wages only (director remuneration and general club staff wages are not included in the SCMP calculation). Player wages included in the SCMP calculation relate to all contract players (full contract, non-contract, multiplicity etc.) and loan players. Wage costs for players loaned out to other clubs are deducted for the period of the loan. Wage costs for Youth players on a professional contract are also excluded (i.e. players that have been in the club’s Youth Development scheme and have been given a pro contract); they must be 20 years of age or under at the start of the season to be discounted from the SCMP calculation. >>

We don't have 35+ players over the age of 20

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/the-benefactor-model-permitted-in-league-1-and-2

Even if we did, there is nothing to stop the Prince investing in the club. SCMP includes owners' investment as part of turnover. Our budget is our commercial income plus whatever the Prince wants to add to it (less fixed costs etc)

 

[AlienBlade]

Oh really. LOL
Care to Name them!
WTF does Bone Fide mean and have any relevance to what exactly......................???
When player wages included in the SCMP calculation relate to all contract players (full contract, non-contract, multiplicity etc.) and loan players

Forgive me but I think eras tailing or blocks out of, springs to mind.

not quite sure what eras tailing or blocks out of means but....

would you care to name the "other 10" that make up the 36.... and by bone fide "first teamers" I mean those that are likley to get more than half a dozen starts. as others and myself have pointed out SCMP only apply to players over a certain age, meaning that many of our players are not included within said limits. (hence why we can still over spend)

this is from another post of mine on the "where are we at this point in time" thread" so I can actually place a figure on and reason why... can you or anyone who have touted this "30+" figure

1, Mark Howard
2, John Brayford
3, Bob Harris
4, Neill Collins
5, Harrison McGahay
6, James Wallace
7, Ryan Flynn
8, Chris Basham
9, Matt Done
10, Michael Higdon
11, Jamie Murphy


1, George Long
2, Craig Alcock
3, Jay McEverley
4, Keiron Freeman
5, Terry Kennedy
6, Paul Coutts
7, Jamal Cambell-Ryce
8, Stefan Scougall
9, Mark McNulty
10, Jose Baxter
11, Martyn Woolford


1, Che Adams
2, Louis Reed
3, Diego De Girolamo
4, Florent Cuvelier

these are the ones I feel will hit more than half a dozen starts, you may have a few kids who might get the odd start or subs appearence, but are actually part of the development squad more than the first team. of the above 26, 3 are currently injured/carrying knocks. (Brayford Kennedy & Cuvelier) 6 are under 20.... but if you want to include any kid who might get a gamae next season you might as well include all the U18's etc....

 

[Davie Blade]

Yeah Robson MKII. This is the most ridiculous statement I have heard in a while. 2 cup semi finals in 12 months, beating Premiership teams on the way and a decent win ratio. Clough got things wrong but to make a statement like that just shows you up in my opinion. One if the longest winning streaks I can remember. Robson almost got us relegated and spent every bean we had, Clough saved us from relegation. Unfortunately the expectation in the second season wasn't met so he got fired but your comparison is unwarranted and unjust in every way.

All well and good but what has any of that got anything to do with the context of the quote,
which was namely ''the TRANSFER EXCESSES of Robson mark2.''

If you'd like to stick to that point and make a relevant comment about that, I'm happy to debate the merits of that with you.

 

[Davie Blade]

We don't have 35+ players over the age of 20

35 relates to the position we were in with NC, which was as I said a unsustainable position.
That's the bigger picture.

 

[Bladesway]

All well and good but what has any of that got anything to do with the context of the quote,
which was namely ''the TRANSFER EXCESSES of Robson mark2.''

If you'd like to stick to that point and make a relevant comment about that, I'm happy to debate the merits of that with you.

OK, what excesses? To get him even close to Robson you are going to have to pull some real facts out here. Brayford is probably going to be your starting point so lets be honest where and when did we all stand and say "We shouldn't sign him because that's too much"? We don't actually know what the rest cost so this is going to be interesting. I don't believe Higdon will have cost a deal, most of the Scottish guys cost buttons and I can only think of Done (who we don't actually know what he cost) who may have been costing us a penny or two.

Then there is the offset that Robson never had as well. Clough gathered revenue from the sale of Harry plus what must run into millions for our two cup runs. So you could say Cloughs spending was almost self financing. Certainly not something you can say about Robson. Jim Phipps actually said the reason Clough could spend the money was the HM money and the cup runs.

If your comparison is they both spent money then well done Sherlock Holmes, but there the comparison ends.

 

[AlienBlade]

35 relates to the position we were in with NC, which was as I said a unsustainable position.
That's the bigger picture.

can you name these 35... along with their annual income. I mean to know it's an unsustainable position you must not only know who the 35 are but how they sit within the wage structure... I mean for arguments sake if we had 35 YTS boys in just earning £15k a year that's only £525k a year... which is more than sustainable... however if we had 35 seasoned pro's on £520k a year (£18.2m) then by the token our turn over is less than half that then I would agree it's unsustainable... in reality it's somewhere in between.... now as I have kindly done, I request you name your 35 with added salary amounts to show this to be unsustainable... otherwise I will take it that whereas you require proof of others workings out, you cannot provide proof of your own and thus cannot maintain a reasoned debate.