I don't care if we get relegated

[blader]

This is going to be an extremely controversial post, and I feel it may get some strong responses, but here it is.

Providing we will be financially sound, I don't care what division we play in. I don't care who we are against. I want to see a team with passion, fighting for Sheffield United's cause. If it means we go down, and sack all the playing staff, then so be it. I go to football on a saturday, and sing my heart out for my club. Yesterday made me realise, that we can't sink any lower anyway. Crewe is a shithole of a town, with a shithole of a stadium, and it just doesn't seem worth the praying to stay in this division just to go there again next season. League 2 can't be any worse, on or off the pitch.

Blades fans will always turn up (we're suckers for that) in our numbers, and cheer on the team. We've had poor teams in the past, we'll have them again, what is not acceptable is the lack of commitment which is being shown by the players at the moment. If we stay up, well done. If we go down, pfft so what, see you at Cambridge. I won't stop going, I just want commitment, that is my only prerequisite for a player at SUFC.

Thick and thin, as the phrase goes. Well, I think we need to add a third term to this phrase "Through thick or thin.... or straight up shite"

UTB

 

[JohnDenver]

When I read the thread title I thought one of our players had joined the forum….

 

[ScoobBlade]

I'm not sure being relegated would help us to be financially sound, with or without prince adullahnocash

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Embarrassing post. Don't care if we are relegated to league 2, only pre-requisite for a player is commitment?? Eh? Well I care. It would be shameful to go in the bottom tier for only the 2nd time in our 125 year history. We should be in the top two divisions. As for only expecting commitment from the players - that should be a given. I also expect some ability and quality too.

 

[Wards]

I'd be completely embarassed to be in League 2.

I'd fine the lot of them for yesterdays shambles, see how much they like being hit in the pocket. Same again if they play like it next week. They'll soon get the message.

 

[sheffielder]

If we don't show any fight right now, I don't think it will matter what division we are in.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

This is going to be an extremely controversial post, and I feel it may get some strong responses, but here it is.

Providing we will be financially sound, I don't care what division we play in. I don't care who we are against. I want to see a team with passion, fighting for Sheffield United's cause. If it means we go down, and sack all the playing staff, then so be it. I go to football on a saturday, and sing my heart out for my club. Yesterday made me realise, that we can't sink any lower anyway. Crewe is a shithole of a town, with a shithole of a stadium, and it just doesn't seem worth the praying to stay in this division just to go there again next season. League 2 can't be any worse, on or off the pitch.

Blades fans will always turn up (we're suckers for that) in our numbers, and cheer on the team. We've had poor teams in the past, we'll have them again, what is not acceptable is the lack of commitment which is being shown by the players at the moment. If we stay up, well done. If we go down, pfft so what, see you at Cambridge. I won't stop going, I just want commitment, that is my only prerequisite for a player at SUFC.

Thick and thin, as the phrase goes. Well, I think we need to add a third term to this phrase "Through thick or thin.... or straight up shite"

UTB

I can see the intention, and the sentiment of the post is not worth the abuse you're going to get for saying it. However, as you say this is all reliant upon seeing footballers who give a shit. When was the last time we saw a teamful of those at the Lane?

 

[blader]

I can see the intention, and the sentiment of the post is not worth the abuse you're going to get for saying it. However, as you say this is all reliant upon seeing footballers who give a shit. When was the last time we saw a teamful of those at the Lane?

The year we got relegated from the prem IMO. Weren't the best group if players, but they fought for the cause. E.g. Stead sticking his head in against Wigan

 

[sheffielder]

The year we got relegated from the prem IMO. Weren't the best group if players, but they fought for the cause. E.g. Stead sticking his head in against Wigan

We lost 3-0 the week before against Villa with absolutely not fight. If we had lost by 2 we wouldn't have got relegated. (I think)

 

[blader]

We lost 3-0 the week before against Villa with absolutely not fight. If we had lost by 2 we wouldn't have got relegated. (I think)

I don't think you can accuse that team of lacking fight. Jagielka, morgan, paddy, tonge, hulse, stead et al is the most committed team of my lifetime

 

[blader]

Embarrassing post. Don't care if we are relegated to league 2, only pre-requisite for a player is commitment?? Eh? Well I care. It would be shameful to go in the bottom tier for only the 2nd time in our 125 year history. We should be in the top two divisions. As for only expecting commitment from the players - that should be a given. I also expect some ability and quality too.

Firstly, it's obvious that commitment ISNT a given as seen yesterday.

And did you go yesterday? Do you go home and away? If yes, then you won't stop just because we're in league 2. If no, then I imagine results are more important when you aren't there (not having a dig, that's a fact across any fans)

My post was written as a fan who won't stop turning up whatever division we are in. You may have different circumstances and can't relate, I don't know.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Firstly, it's obvious that commitment ISNT a given as seen yesterday.

And did you go yesterday? Do you go home and away? If yes, then you won't stop just because we're in league 2. If no, then I imagine results are more important when you aren't there (not having a dig, that's a fact across any fans)

I didn't say a committed team was a given - I said expecting players to be committed should be a given. The lack of commitment yesterday and in other games in recent years has been a disgrace. But commitment alone is not enough. We need quality too.

And what are you on about with your second point? I didn't say I wouldn't go - I said I would care if we went down and that it would be shameful. For the record - and because you asked - I've had a ST for nearly 40 years and have watched us play on over 60 grounds in all 4 divisions.

 

[blader]

I didn't say a committed team was a given - I said expecting players to be committed should be a given. The lack of commitment yesterday and in other games in recent years has been a disgrace. But commitment alone is not enough. We need quality too.

And what are you on about with your second point? I didn't say I wouldn't go - I said I would care if we went down and that it would be shameful. For the record - and because you asked - I've had a ST for nearly 40 years and have watched us play on over 60 grounds in all 4 divisions.

Which is great, I hope you didn't think I was having a pop, just saying that the difference between going away to Crewe and going away to Cambridge is, well zero quite frankly. My point is that if we are in league 1 or league 2 next season, I won't go any more or less, providing the players are a committed bunch, which we don't have. If we have to get relegated to acquire this side, then so be it. ( I reckon I actually justified my point better in this post than the OP actually!)

 

[Harry's Game]

Well you've certainly come to the right place then

 

[Bladesman]

If we don't show any fight right now, I don't think it will matter what division we are in.

Exactly.

 

[Bladesway]

I don't think you can accuse that team of lacking fight. Jagielka, morgan, paddy, tonge, hulse, stead et al is the most committed team of my lifetime

Deane, Gayle, Beesley, Booker, Gannon etc etc pissed that lot into a cocked hat, for a lot less money as well. But your point is good enough otherwise.

 

[Bladesway]

This is going to be an extremely controversial post, and I feel it may get some strong responses, but here it is.

Providing we will be financially sound, I don't care what division we play in. I don't care who we are against. I want to see a team with passion, fighting for Sheffield United's cause. If it means we go down, and sack all the playing staff, then so be it. I go to football on a saturday, and sing my heart out for my club. Yesterday made me realise, that we can't sink any lower anyway. Crewe is a shithole of a town, with a shithole of a stadium, and it just doesn't seem worth the praying to stay in this division just to go there again next season. League 2 can't be any worse, on or off the pitch.

Blades fans will always turn up (we're suckers for that) in our numbers, and cheer on the team. We've had poor teams in the past, we'll have them again, what is not acceptable is the lack of commitment which is being shown by the players at the moment. If we stay up, well done. If we go down, pfft so what, see you at Cambridge. I won't stop going, I just want commitment, that is my only prerequisite for a player at SUFC.

Thick and thin, as the phrase goes. Well, I think we need to add a third term to this phrase "Through thick or thin.... or straight up shite"

UTB

I'm not going to stick the knife in because I can see where you are coming from. Problem is the provided we will be financially sound. I'm not sure we are at the moment so relegation cannot do anything but harm. Lower crowds, fewer players wanting to join us, possibly a worse manager. Oh dear.

 

[blader]

Deane, Gayle, Beesley, Booker, Gannon etc etc pissed that lot into a cocked hat, for a lot less money as well. But your point is good enough otherwise.

Ye I was asked when was the last team, so obviously with them the more recent team, they got the nod. Also, I wasn't even a twinkle in my dads eye when booker was about!

 

[oldblade]

We lost 3-0 the week before against Villa with absolutely not fight. If we had lost by 2 we wouldn't have got relegated. (I think)

I don't think that's right. We got thrashed at Villa because we played badly and got our tactics wrong, not because we had no fight. Also, Villa were on fire that day and would have thrashed far better teams than us. If I remember rightly it was some sort of celebration day for them - probably 25th anniversary of winning the European Cup.

 

[Silent Blade]

I don't think that's right. We got thrashed at Villa because we played badly and got our tactics wrong, not because we had no fight. Also, Villa were on fire that day and would have thrashed far better teams than us. If I remember rightly it was some sort of celebration day for them - probably 25th anniversary of winning the European Cup.

Yes it was. Some of the team played for the Blades later on in their careers. McNaught, Mortimer, Withe and Cowans

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I personally do care and want us to play in as high a division as possible however I do understand the sentiments of the OP and where they're coming from.

I honestly feel it's a shit or bust season for us, a real crossroads in the club's history. If we somehow scramble to safety from our current position then Clough will have done remarkably well and will then have more or less a clean slate to try and turn everything around.....if we go down I have absolutely no idea where we go from there.

It should have never been allowed to come to this.

 

[Darren]

We lost 3-0 the week before against Villa with absolutely not fight. If we had lost by 2 we wouldn't have got relegated. (I think)

Thats wrong. Had we lost by two we would have still have gone down. We would have had the same GD as Wigan, but would have gone down having scored fewer goals.

Had we lost by one, Wigan would have needed to beat us by two and a draw would have seem us safe. It was thus entirely reasonable for Warnock to play defensively.

 

[grafikhaus]

Yesterday made me realise, that we can't sink any lower anyway. Crewe is a shithole of a town, with a shithole of a stadium, and it just doesn't seem worth the praying to stay in this division just to go there again next season. League 2 can't be any worse, on or off the pitch.
UTB

Of course getting relegated will be worse. Just as going to away matches is better when you know there'll be a decent turnout, so going to BDTBL will become (even more of) a chore in Division 4 with around 9k there.

Have you seen some of the teams in Div. 4? Trust me, we'll look back on Crewe with misty eyes.

You also seem to think that relegation will lead to a 'clear the decks' exercise and we'll start the long march back up the leagues. We won't. We've had plenty of chances to regroup and regain our strength, but it never happens. The relegation in 2007 was a case in point. Excellent (outside the Premier League) manager, very good squad and parachute payments.

A couple of years later, we were back in the play-off final. Still a very good Championship side (two Kyles, Killgallon, Kenny and, yes, Monty.) As usual, we didn't turn up but were still well placed to mount another serious challenge the following season. Except we didn't. We panicked and demolished the side. Burnley even gave us the total revenue from Wembley (around £2m) but it was never enough. It never is. The only time I'd say relegation was a 'good' thing was in 2007. Like many 'smaller' teams since, the PL 'big boys' would have used us as whipping boys before ejecting us from their cosy club.

Going down to Div. 4 would be a blow we may never recover from.

Having said all that, we're actually 'lucky' at the moment in that Wednesday are piss poor. Imagine if they had a takeover, stumbled upon a decent manager and challenged for the PL. Then you'd realise how far United have been allowed to slide into obscurity.

Stay up, find a manager who understands this division (my faith in NC to do this is fading by the week) and, by 2015/16 we could join Wednesday in the Championship.

 

[Balham]

grafikhaus I agree with most of that (especially that relegation would be a disaster) but:

You also seem to think that relegation will lead to a 'clear the decks' exercise and we'll start the long march back up the leagues. We won't. We've had plenty of chances to regroup and regain our strength, but it never happens. The relegation in 2007 was a case in point. Excellent (outside the Premier League) manager, very good squad and parachute payments.

Are you describing Warnock or Robson there? I think Warnock would have walked either way, appointing Robson is the catalyst for us finding ourselves where we are now. That decision has cost us nearly £100m.

Stay up, find a manager who understands this division (my faith in NC to do this is fading by the week) and, by 2015/16 we could join Wednesday in the Championship.

I think Clough knows what it takes but it would appear that our players don't. The concern is that they can raise their game to match Aston Villa and Fulham but not on a week in, week out basis against Walsall, Notts County and Crewe. That is seriously concerning.

 

[dingledog]

Having gone on Saturday, and had a period of reflection, I feel able to give an a reasoned post. I understand the OP sentiments. However last Saturday United were abysmal, Sunday league would be praising them too highly. I was so peed off with the bunch of overpaid 'so called' professional footballers. There was nothing professional in how they played. The manager didn't tell them to go out and play like that. They cross the line and its their responsibility.

I genuinely feel we will be relegated, on merit.

 

[grafikhaus]

grafikhaus I agree with most of that (especially that relegation would be a disaster) but:
Are you describing Warnock or Robson there?

I'm talking about Warnock. There are a few managers who are excellent at getting promotion, but don't have the necessary skills to perform at a higher level. Warnock is one, Redknapp is another.

They should be appointed with the remit to 'get promotion, here's £Xm in your account and now we'll set somebody on who is proven at a higher level.'

If this was explained at the outset, there would be no confusion. A good salesman does not a good sales director make.

Also, Villa the other week was one of those 'once in a generation' performances. A very worthy shift against Fulham last Sunday but could have lost the game and I think normal service will be resumed tomorrow. So not really the ability to 'raise their game'.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I'm talking about Warnock. There are a few managers who are excellent at getting promotion, but don't have the necessary skills to perform at a higher level. Warnock is one, Redknapp is another.

Harry Redknapp, the chap that guided Tottenham Hotspur to their first champions league appearance?

Shite

 

[grafikhaus]

Harry Redknapp, the chap that guided Tottenham Hotspur to their first champions league appearance?

Shite

Was that him or his dog?

He joined QPR last season when they were rock bottom with 28 games to go. By the end of the season - and despite massive spending - they were still rock bottom.

This season, with near-unlimited funds, QPR are hardly walking the Championship.

I think Redknapp is a case of 'a broken watch is right twice a day'.

 

[Darren]

Was that him or his dog?

He joined QPR last season when they were rock bottom with 28 games to go. By the end of the season - and despite massive spending - they were still rock bottom.

This season, with near-unlimited funds, QPR are hardly walking the Championship.

I think Redknapp is a case of 'a broken watch is right twice a day'.

He managed Spurs from 2008-12. In those seasons they managed to finish 8th, 4th, 5th and 4th. So except in his first season, they were always challenging for the CL, something Spurs had never managed before.

Poor example.

 

[Kev Gee]

I care if we get relegated. Very much so.

As if we couldnt sink any lower?

And what then?

Could we slide even further into conference oblivion?

IF we get relegated. Will the board & the Prince disapear into the desert? A 4th division team having to cope with a premier League/Championship ground & overheads?

Will the Youth team be binned?

What about the poor sods who will loose their jobs?