Human rights issue ?

[stuie01]

From BBC website regarding the fact if we fail to overcome relegation

McCabe added: "We have a trip to Brussels to meet the European Commissioner for culture and sport, Jan Figel, on Friday, so we are making our presentation there this week.

"We'll go to the European Commission for them to opine. We believe we have maybe got a human rights issue because of the loss of jobs that has been established if we are relegated, the salaries that are reduced because of going from the Premiership to the Championship and those sort of issues."

Could be quite interesting - human rights ??

 

[TonyAgana]

Does that not suggest though that if we are given a whacking great sum of money as compo then we'll put players wages back up regardless of contractual stipulation?

 

[sendô WHU]

Does this not suggest to you all that the club is clutching at straws, and that they have no legal basis whatsoever for continually harping on about this [non]issue?

 

[Jack & Helga]

Does this not suggest to you all that the club is clutching at straws, and that they have no legal basis whatsoever for continually harping on about this [non]issue?

Oh my god, you're right!!

 

[jodman]

I personally think that a financial compensation package is the only likely outcome that would favour us but i expect we will end up with nothing and a season of fizzy pop footy for our efforts.

I wonder if season ticket holders that have renewed for next year would receive any reward if a substantial amount of compensation was awarded rather then us being re-instated to the prem.

 

[Come from away]

Does this not suggest to you all that the club is clutching at straws, and that they have no legal basis whatsoever for continually harping on about this [non]issue?

Just like Simpson you, WHU, got away with 'murder' on a technicality. For Simpson it was a glove for WHU it was a 'chicken' panel who placed a higher value on one set of fans. So, just like Simpson, if we can't get a conviction in one court we move to another. The decision will eventually be based on evidence and, I hope justice - or as Sean says "fairness."

For me, I love supporting the Blades and will enjoy them having a great run in the championship.

 

[salmonbones]

WHU have done wrong. yep, even an owl like me cannot deny that.

However, Human rights issue? My old grandad had a saying, and it went like this :- 'don't talk bobar'

 

[Bladesman]

Sheffield Utd warned over Euro appeal
tribalfooball.com - June 14, 2007

Sheffield United have been warned that the European Commission will not intervene to support their quest for Premier League justice.

The Blades' case regarding the Carlos Tevez affair will be heard by an arbitration panel on Monday and Tuesday, with the relegated club hoping to successfully argue that West Ham should have been deducted points following the controversial signing of the Argentinian.

United plc chairman Kevin McCabe has stated they will take the fight for compensation to the European Union if a favourable outcome is not forthcoming.

However, a spokesman for EU sports commissioner Jan Figel has underlined that the commission has no intention of wading into any domestic row.

"The meeting is taking place between Sheffield United and someone from our directorate about their Campaign for Fairness in Football. The meeting is not with the commissioner," spokesman Frederic Vincent told Reuters.

"I'm sure they'll want to say a word about their upcoming arbitration concerning the Carlos Tevez affair.

"But it has been made clear from the start by us that the commission cannot and will not intervene in a national issue."

So its a no no from them regarding the Tevez case.

 

[Bladesman]

I am not so sure that the Human rights angle on this is quite as ridiculous as it first seems. All EU countries have signed up to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the European court is there to uphold them.

Article 7 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads:

“All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.”

If, for example, the feelings of one minority group were to be considered favourably, and given preferential treatment by any body, public or private, whilst totally ignoring the feelings of other such groups, placing them at a disadvantage, then this is unfair discrimination, which qualifies as a violation of Human Rights. If these groups had ethnic, religious, sexual or social grounds for complaint, then everyone would be up in arms!

As a group of football fans, Sheffield United’s cause for justice looks no less valid than those of any of the above mentioned groups. You do not have to be the victim of internment or torture to be listened to by the court of human rights.

The wording and reasons given by the independent panel do appear to discriminate in West Ham’s fans favour at the expense of other fans and therefore may not be lawful. There is a clear issue to be answered and it may well be Sheffield United’s best chance!

Just pulled that off 606.

They did say it wouldnt be fair on West Ham fans as one of the main excuses for not docking em points.

Maybe we do have an human rights issue perhaps.

 

[RichJay]

I don't think that looking a human rights is going to make any difference. I think we should accept whatever decision is made by the arbitration panel next week and start preparing for next season.

 

[jodman]

I don't think that looking a human rights is going to make any difference. I think we should accept whatever decision is made by the arbitration panel next week and start preparing for next season.

I agree with you, i am all for a fight for justice but i really think that is the arbitration should be seen as the final decision one way or the other.

 

[TonyAgana]

I agree with you, i am all for a fight for justice but i really think that is the arbitration should be seen as the final decision one way or the other.

Maybe, but it looks like if arbitration doesn't go in our favour there's a shit load more support coming our way! Until support from objective third parties dries up then push on, I say!

 

[sendô WHU]

I don't think that looking a human rights is going to make any difference. I think we should accept whatever decision is made by the arbitration panel next week and start preparing for next season.

Fair enough, but why then are so many Sheff Utd fans not willing to accept the decision of the last panel?

Is this a sign of things to come? If the result of a PL panel doesn't go your way, then moan about it and demand arbitration?

 

[Bladesman]

Fair enough, but why then are so many Sheff Utd fans not willing to accept the decision of the last panel?

Is this a sign of things to come? If the result of a PL panel doesn't go your way, then moan about it and demand arbitration?

Great keep the arguement going round in circles.

Everyone knows the punishment was wrong and the PL themselves made feeble excuses as to why they didnt dock points.

Would you accept it if the situation was the other way round ?

 

[RichJay]

With the apparent level of corruption currently in the game we should be given (and have been) the opportunity to make sure that the Premier League has acted correctly. That's why I don't accept the decision from the first panel.

 

[sendô WHU]

Great keep the arguement going round in circles.

Sorry!

Everyone knows the punishment was wrong and the PL themselves made feeble excuses as to why they didnt dock points.

I disagree that the punishment was wrong (I dont believe in docking points), but I do believe the PL shot themselves in the foot with the reasons they gave for not docking points, and that they (and the FA for that matter) are largely inept over paid wankers.

Would you accept it if the situation was the other way round ?

Yep. I had accepted that West Ham were almost certainly relegated long before the original hearing anyway, and that based on our performances over the season we were no way good enough for the Prem.

Plus £5.5m would have knackered Sheff Utd if things were the other way around

 

[TonyAgana]

I disagree that the punishment was wrong (I dont believe in docking points), but I do believe the PL shot themselves in the foot with the reasons they gave for not docking points, and that they (and the FA for that matter) are largely inept over paid wankers.

You said in an earlier post you DID think it was wrong.

 

[MAQ]

You said in an earlier post you DID think it was wrong.

oooooooooooh contreversial!!!!

 

[sendô WHU]

You said in an earlier post you DID think it was wrong.

No, I said the PL wouldn't have had the guts to dock points anyway because of the implications at that stage of the season.

I still think they made the right decision in not docking points. Surely you all agree that docking West Ham points and virtually relegating them would have been much more controversial than not docking them points.

 

[RichJay]

Surely you all agree that docking West Ham points and virtually relegating them would have been much more controversial than not docking them points.

No, most people were expecting points to be docked.

 

[happyhippy]

No, I said the PL wouldn't have had the guts to dock points anyway because of the implications at that stage of the season.

I still think they made the right decision in not docking points. Surely you all agree that docking West Ham points and virtually relegating them would have been much more controversial than not docking them points.

Why? Especially when the panel said "The punishment would normally be a points deduction.", and then went on to give extremely spurious reasons as to why they didn't.

Albeit for very different reasons, but Middlesbrough were docked points, which ultimately resulted in their relegation. On a more related theme, Chesterfield were found guilty of financial irregularities and docked points which cost them the Third Division Championship, and nearly promotion. Swindon were demoted two divisions.

Granted, the West Sham debacle is different from the above cases, but nevertheless, the panel stated what the punishment should have been, and didn't implement it.

As for the Human Rights issue, I think it's as spurious as the reasons for not docking points. Let's see what happens after the two-day panel, and move on from there.