CONFIRMED Hull City Game off

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Should we go out of the FA Cup to Wolves and Birmingham progress to the 4th round, surely we’d look to play in weekend of 5th February against one of either Hull, QPR or Preston - surely one will go out in Round 3.

Hull have Everton away in Round 3.
 

Champagneblade said:
Have they set up bubbles? Have they implemented once more the measures that were in place under lockdown to keep the players as covid free as possible given the recent surge. Or like babies are they waiting for the authorities to tell them to do it first?

I think we know the answer to that already. Whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say they are instructing their players to get covid, they do not seem to be bending over backwards to discourage the spread.

Take the example of the Preston manager. Despite the covid outbreak in their camp he still felt he needed to go and see a televised game at Derby live in the stadium. I mean, is he a bit thick or what?

I reckon if teams had put a lot of extreme measures in they could have got the games on.

In fact the local press in Preston we're almost lauding the fact that the game had been off and speculating how many injured players could return with covid working in their favour. To me that's the ultimate piss take article, yet I bet the club were thinking the same.
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Yep I'm in this camp as well.

Either the clubs are bullshitting and calling games off they don't fancy playing or they genuinely can't get the game on, which is just rank bad management at the end of the day.

Either way they deserve punishing IMHO. The letter Wimbledon have sent to the EFL hits the nail straight on the head.

I'd implement one rule and one rule only. ANY game called off within 24 hours of kick off is an automatic 3-0 loss. No Ifs or buts. Let's see how many are called off then!
 
Bladey_blade said:
Need to really look at how other sports are getting things done because this is gonna be another huge asterisk season, for example NFL are only testing unvaccinated, or vaccinated with symptoms every week and letting the asymptomatic vaccinated get on with it and seem to be having more luck getting games on
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For now they are but they’re having their own issues with scheduling and are 2-3 weeks behind us in terms of the omicron surge so American sports could well be seeing their own dilemmas in terms of getting games on pretty soon
 
It has already been shown a drop of orange juice or pepsi on the the test strip gives a false positive. The school kids discovered that.
I am sure if a club wanted a game off they will have found a way
 
I think the answer is, that whichever players are injured when included in a COVID cancellation, should be ineligible for the rearranged fixture.
Anyone who had COVID can play, but anyone who hasn't and is just injured isn't able to play.

Evens it up a bit, as at the moment theres no downside to cancelling and teams like Dull City could be taking the piss.
 
SouthStandGBlock said:
I think the answer is, that whichever players are injured when included in a COVID cancellation, should be ineligible for the rearranged fixture.
Anyone who had COVID can play, but anyone who hasn't and is just injured isn't able to play.

Evens it up a bit, as at the moment theres no downside to cancelling and teams like Dull City could be taking the piss.
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I would totally agree with that a things being equal and had thought about how this gets factored in.

I think the problem you run into with that is how do you then compensate for players who were available at the time of the original game but then subsequently not due to injury or suspension for the restaged game?

I'm not sure what the best solution is.
 
Champagneblade said:
I would totally agree with that a things being equal and had thought about how this gets factored in.

I think the problem you run into with that is how do you then compensate for players who were available at the time of the original game but then subsequently not due to injury or suspension for the restaged game?

I'm not sure what the best solution is.
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It's not perfect, but there has to be a penalty for postponing.

It might be our turn to cancel in a few weeks, so its swings and roundabouts. The teams with the better COVID management so have an advantage, as that's only fair.
 
SouthStandGBlock said:
I think the answer is, that whichever players are injured when included in a COVID cancellation, should be ineligible for the rearranged fixture.
Anyone who had COVID can play, but anyone who hasn't and is just injured isn't able to play.

Evens it up a bit, as at the moment theres no downside to cancelling and teams like Dull City could be taking the piss.
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Champagneblade said:
I would totally agree with that a things being equal and had thought about how this gets factored in.

I think the problem you run into with that is how do you then compensate for players who were available at the time of the original game but then subsequently not due to injury or suspension for the restaged game?

I'm not sure what the best solution is.
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I'd have this suggestion but only apply it to the team that causes the postponement.

The team that didn't can play any player available on the rearranged date.

Adds a disincentive to calling a game off.

And to combat the suggestions that this will lead to clubs hiding COVID cases - test them all as they enter the stadium - anyone positive can't play - and you can't at that point call the game off. If you have to play with only 11 players so be it.

I'd be VERY surprised if teams can't find enough players under these rules. The suggestion that injuries to 2 goalkeepers should cause a postponement wouldn't wash if they were both suffering from flu - neither should COVID - it's endemic now, we have to create rules that account for that, this isn't a short term problem.
 
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WORKSOPBLADE said:
New season starts 30th July. No way will they extend season.
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ALL season start & end dates are completely self inflicted, arbitrary & made up. In these uncertain times, there is every reason to say - this season finishes when every team has played all their games, and next season starts after we've had a bit of a rest after this season finishes.
Don't play 1st XIs v U18s
Don't forfeit games
Don't play 4 games in a week
Don't play behind closed doors anti-football
Don't force it all into completely pointless & invented dates
Finish the season late if we have to
Start the next one late if we have to
If we end up with only 99 seasons this Century, don't lose your shit about it.
 
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Yogi said:
For now they are but they’re having their own issues with scheduling and are 2-3 weeks behind us in terms of the omicron surge so American sports could well be seeing their own dilemmas in terms of getting games on pretty soon
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They've already been moving games by 2-3 days, and teams have been left without a functional QB (New Orleans played a role last night with a total of 0 starts - possibly 0 snaps- in the NFL)

I much prefer the approach in general in the NFL - the unvaxxed are subject to much tighter controls, and if they are on contact with a positive car are basically locked out of their team for a significant period. This has lead to 94+% of players being vaccinated.

Contrast that with 75% in the EFL.
 
SellyOakBlade said:
They've already been moving games by 2-3 days, and teams have been left without a functional QB (New Orleans played a role last night with a total of 0 starts - possibly 0 snaps- in the NFL)

I much prefer the approach in general in the NFL - the unvaxxed are subject to much tighter controls, and if they are on contact with a positive car are basically locked out of their team for a significant period. This has lead to 94+% of players being vaccinated.

Contrast that with 75% in the EFL.
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Yep I wouldn’t be surprised if the NFL asks teams to go into a bubble for the playoffs.

Yeah NFL teams have done a good job of getting players vaccinated but the commitment expectations for their players compared with ours are very different.
 
sheff_blade90 said:
its a joke. i agree on this. i would give them the 1st because it can happen & be late notice. but hull have had 4 days to find a team. find it or forfeit. like Middlesbrough did in 1996.

between January & May theres only 10 midweeks available. at the moment a lower league club like us if they had a cup run will have to play to 7 extra midweek games. & where is the sympathy when they have play a rotated side because they are playing 3 times a week
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We will have to ensure we use our full squad then. It’s a bit rich slagging teams for not playing they’re under 16s. due to the current circumstances , if we aren’t going to use ours when it gets busy.
 

Panini said:
Already posted on a different thread, but pasted here to clarify:

This "40 players" shite needs dropping.

Hull have used 27 players in the Championship this season. As far as I can tell they have no other contracted professionals over 21 years old without minutes in the League this season. If they did, they would count. One of those 27 came off the bench in the last minute on opening day, then went out on loan.

That gives a total squad size, for covid purposes, of 26.

The requirement for a game to go ahead is 14 including 1 goalkeeper.

We can speculate for as long as we like about how many positive / isolating / unvaccinated players they have, but let's keep it simple with one example:

They have two goalkeepers in that pool of 26 players and if both are positive or isolating, the game is off.

We can all get angry about clubs not raising teams, but the fact is that TWO positive cases is enough to get a game called off.

I don't know what the solution is. Ball_Sup (Phil) has speculated about which part of the competition's integrity might be sacrificed, playing youth teams, behind closed doors, 4 games in a week...they all prevent the season from being 'proper'.

Who knows how things will turn out, but let's at least understand the rules in play today first.
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We spent a lot of time last season DEMANDING the season restarted as we were so nailed on for Europe etc. We need to be careful what we wish for don’t we pal, we’ll soon be crying into our Smiths again!
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
ALL season start & end dates are completely self inflicted, arbitrary & made up. In these uncertain times, there is every reason to say - this season finishes when every team has played all their games, and next season starts after we've had a bit of a rest after this season finishes.
Don't play 1st XIs v U18s
Don't forfeit games
Don't play 4 games in a week
Don't play behind closed doors anti-football
Don't force it all into completely pointless & invented dates
Finish the season late if we have to
Start the next one late if we have to
If we end up with only 99 seasons this Century, don't lose your shit about it.
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There’s a team in u16 Sunday league. Played 8, won 4, but have 18 points . They refused to rearrange the two other games for the opposing side having covid, every other team/fixture have agreed to rearrange theirs and play a full season regardless of congestion. Okay, it’s not EFL, but teams lack some serious class if they win the league in that manner. No team should get points on a technicality…it’s not sport pal, as you clearly explain.
 
Seen that the Newcastle/Everton game off due to injuries and covid. Why are injuries being mentioned thought games were only off due to covid.
 
We're getting our season shafted by covid yet again.
 
sjl said:
There’s a team in u16 Sunday league. Played 8, won 4, but have 18 points . They refused to rearrange the two other games for the opposing side having covid, every other team/fixture have agreed to rearrange theirs and play a full season regardless of congestion. Okay, it’s not EFL, but teams lack some serious class if they win the league in that manner. No team should get points on a technicality…it’s not sport pal, as you clearly explain.
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Is that not 16 points max? Just sayin whilst my lager continues......
 
Not one, but two unrefundable hotel rooms I have for the Hull game. Will still be heading to Sheffield in a few hours to pump some money into the local economy but gutted it's without a game. Hopefully the rules are reviewed soon, the current balance doesn't feel right.
 
pudseyblade said:
Not one, but two unrefundable hotel rooms I have for the Hull game. Will still be heading to Sheffield in a few hours to pump some money into the local economy but gutted it's without a game. Hopefully the rules are reviewed soon, the current balance doesn't feel right.
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Better to come to Sheffield pal get you out of Pudsey for a bit.
 
sjl said:
There’s a team in u16 Sunday league. Played 8, won 4, but have 18 points . They refused to rearrange the two other games for the opposing side having covid, every other team/fixture have agreed to rearrange theirs and play a full season regardless of congestion. Okay, it’s not EFL, but teams lack some serious class if they win the league in that manner. No team should get points on a technicality…it’s not sport pal, as you clearly explain.
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There is serious money at stake for promotion, that's the issue.

Sporting integrity cuts both ways. If we meet Preston and they have 7 out, we have 9 out but our remaining squad give us a stronger team then they shouldn't get to play the game much later when they just have 1 out for instance. Other teams will have taken points off them while they were depleted so why shouldn't we? Why should we wait for a later date when their injuries have cleared?
 

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