How much luck is there in choosing a manager

[BeatleBlade]

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Think this years taken its toll on #nige2. New manager will need more than luck, he will need ability to get the right players, formulate a plan B, connect with the fans and motivate youth and experienced players.

I was thinking that when I saw the interview the other day, his hairs a lot greyer/whiter than it was at the start of the season.

 

[blade too long]

and this bloated squad we had of 40 or more

according to the OS
http://www.sufc.co.uk/stats/player-stats/ click on appearances club
weve only used 22 players as first team players
the 21 shown and Baptiste whos gone back to boro now

the said list for the first team at most on the bbc site is 33 of which 4 are out on loan
so we could bring in a couple without any bother

around 9 contracts are due to expire again giving plenty of scope to hire

 

[bornablade]

I was thinking that when I saw the interview the other day, his hairs a lot greyer/whiter than it was at the start of the season.

It happens to them all. When Jim arrived he looked like Fellaini

 

[TonyAgana]

I have a theory about football managers and how they get to be successful / unsuccessful:

Most managers are much of a muchness, ex-pros with a good knowledge of football having been immersed in the game from a young age.

Then at the top, there's a small band of genuinely good managers.

And at the bottom, a small band of genuinely shit managers.

With a fair wind (say a couple of signings come off at the same time as some great youth comes through from the academy...),
any one of the middling managers can have a fantastic season.

But if the wind blows in the opposite direction (terrible injury list, star players poached etc.) the very same manager looks a chump.

A good example of this lottery would be Danny Wilson.

At Barnsley, he makes 4 or 5 signings that all turn out great, result: promotion.

At Wednesday, awful signings and fall outs with top players, result: relegation.

At United, has a great squad and budget for the division, but then loses leading striker in bizarre circumstances...

Also, never forget to take into account levels of expectation around specific clubs and how that affects perception of success / failure.

If a team's spent several years struggling against relegation, then even getting near the playoffs feels great...

However, a big club performing well below it's historical average can be akin to a hornets nest.

So, in my opinion, getting a "good" manager is a question of luck divided by expectation...

Absolutely bang on. It's a massive melting-pot of variables and the slightest of margins. Sometimes you get a chemical reaction and you're flying. Sometimes a couple of things aren't quite right and the whole thing implodes before it's even started.

I'm in the Adkins Out camp simply because I don't think he can reverse the damage some of those little variables have already done in terms of general attitudes throughout the entire club (from Kevin McCabe right down to Brian The Blade), not because he's suddenly a bad football manager.

 

[Gordon cowans]

I keep hearing we've turned adkins into a bad manager?.
If one was good why was he out of work and trying his look in the third tier.
Even the ardent adkins supporters must see he has made many questionable decisions this season..........,,,,yes hes been dealt a bad hand,yes many things have gone against him yes murphy going was a catastrophe but tactics,hammond and his jibberish interviews have nothing to do with our club just himself

 

[BushBlade]

I have a theory about football managers and how they get to be successful / unsuccessful:

Most managers are much of a muchness, ex-pros with a good knowledge of football having been immersed in the game from a young age.

Then at the top, there's a small band of genuinely good managers.

And at the bottom, a small band of genuinely shit managers.

With a fair wind (say a couple of signings come off at the same time as some great youth comes through from the academy...),
any one of the middling managers can have a fantastic season.

But if the wind blows in the opposite direction (terrible injury list, star players poached etc.) the very same manager looks a chump.

A good example of this lottery would be Danny Wilson.

At Barnsley, he makes 4 or 5 signings that all turn out great, result: promotion.

At Wednesday, awful signings and fall outs with top players, result: relegation.

At United, has a great squad and budget for the division, but then loses leading striker in bizarre circumstances...

Also, never forget to take into account levels of expectation around specific clubs and how that affects perception of success / failure.

If a team's spent several years struggling against relegation, then even getting near the playoffs feels great...

However, a big club performing well below it's historical average can be akin to a hornets nest.

So, in my opinion, getting a "good" manager is a question of luck divided by expectation...

I don't think a manager's influence is anything like it used to be at most clubs. There seems to be clubs that can change managers regularly and remain successful and other clubs than change managers frequently and are still shit.

At one end you've got clubs like Swansea and West Brom whose success is only partly down to the manager and partly due to those behind the scenes that are skilled in scouting and contract negotiation and have large networks of contacts within the game; at the other end, you've got the likes of Blackpool who are just chaotic.

I'm afraid I see us in the same category as Blackburn, Leeds, Charlton etc where it no longer matters who the manager is.

 

[O'erTheer]

Absolutely bang on. It's a massive melting-pot of variables and the slightest of margins. Sometimes you get a chemical reaction and you're flying. Sometimes a couple of things aren't quite right and the whole thing implodes before it's even started.

I'm in the Adkins Out camp simply because I don't think he can reverse the damage some of those little variables have already done in terms of general attitudes throughout the entire club (from Kevin McCabe right down to Brian The Blade), not because he's suddenly a bad football manager.

I reckon you're probably right about Adkins Tony.

United'll have to get off to a right flyer next season or folk will be straight on his back.

And it'll have to be a long flyer as well, because if a sticky patch comes too early the chuntering won't be far behind.

God knows what goes on at the Lane.

Four previous promotions says he's not a shite manager.

Or if he is, he's fucking lucky.

Which is usually enough to get the job done...

 

[O'erTheer]

I don't think a manager's influence is anything like it used to be at most clubs. There seems to be clubs that can change managers regularly and remain successful and other clubs than change managers frequently and are still shit.

At one end you've got clubs like Swansea and West Brom whose success is only partly down to the manager and partly due to those behind the scenes that are skilled in scouting and contract negotiation and have large networks of contacts within the game; at the other end, you've got the likes of Blackpool who are just chaotic.

I'm afraid I see us in the same category as Blackburn, Leeds, Charlton etc where it no longer matters who the manager is.

Hiya BB,
I think you're unnecessarily pessimistic...

Whatever his failings, you can't compare McCabe to Cellino or the Venkys.

Until Tevezgate, United were on an upward climb under his watch.

Obviously, from there on things haven't been too good.

A bad appointment with Robson and giving him (in Blades terms...) a big transfer budget,
swiftly followed by the financial crash wiping millions of McCabe's portfolio was a major catalyst.

I reckon Kevin dropped his bottle, and when he sanctioned the sale of Beattie at the moment he did,
well... as Unitedites, you've seen all that shit before and know exactly where it leads.

But is McCabe mental? No, he's just someone who wants out of a football club...