Henderson's weakness

[tincan]

He is a rick a game, Hollywood saves yes, integral to our rise, but not the £20m saviour his agent likes to pretend he is.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I'm not going to criticise Henderson for the goal. Fydle caught us out a number of times with simple over the top balls which we somehow failed to read and deal with. Deano was hung out to dry and it was a quality finish. I'll admit that I clapped their goal as it was a good goal and throughly deserved.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

looking at it again I think he was slow off his line because at the time of decision their player had ours around him it wasnt till he realised the lousy cover to come out by then it was too late. Anyway as I said in another thread he's due another howler and to have it done in this game will get it out his system better than it being in a league game.

Onwards and upwards.

(I`m an ex goalie by the way)

As a member of the goalies' Union, you should know the difference between a howler (the goal at the Lane v Liverpool), and goals conceded where the keeper could have done better but probably not saved it (Watford). In his year and a half with us, he has made few howlers.

 

[DifferentClass]

I’d have thought that was the case too but apparently its a rib injury ? ‍♂

Dutchmen have their ribs in their head.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

He is a rick a game, Hollywood saves yes, integral to our rise, but not the £20m saviour his agent likes to pretend he is.

Rick a game is way off the mark. He's been exceptional 99% of the time, the save at Norwich that ensured we left with 3 points instead of one was out of this world.

 

[Bladezz]

It is Something he needs to improve. It’s costing us points. Although yesterday had no i pace on the game it’s a repeat of Watford.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'd agree that he should have stayed on his line, coming half way did nothing to make it difficult for their striker. Off the back of the Deulofeu goal and coming off his line unnecessarily for the Salah goal it's 3 in a few games. However he's a good keeper still and I think it's just his decision making that needs to be improved, hopefully this comes with experience.

 

[Davalon]

Sweetness.

 

[norfolkblade]

I'd agree that he should have stayed on his line, coming half way did nothing to make it difficult for their striker. Off the back of the Deulofeu goal and coming off his line unnecessarily for the Salah goal it's 3 in a few games. However he's a good keeper still and I think it's just his decision making that needs to be improved, hopefully this comes with experience.

You surely can't apportion any blame to him for that Salah goal?! He had to make himself as big as he could there and even then the odds were always stacked very firmly against him.

The Deulofeu one I will give you; should have stayed on his line or carried on charging him down rather than getting caught in the middle of both but again, that will come with experience.

Coming off his line yesterday was an absolute last resort. If we'd have defended that situation properly he wouldn't even have been required. I agree with other posts in here though that had that been a league game with us in a good position I think he probably would have come off his line earlier and with much more intensity.

He's an outstanding young goalkeeper still learning his trade. I maintain my position that he will earn us more points than he costs us and I'll put my head on the block and say he will be England's number one at the next major tournament after Euro 2020.

 

[guancheblade]

It's been discussed before on this forum after the Watford game; when he failed to anticipate the ball over the top and was slow off his line and when he did come off it he didn't fully commit and was stranded in no man's land and was beaten at his near post.

Every keeper makes mistakes, and yes he has saved us (forgive the pun) more points than lost. But if he is to become a top class keeper and this part of the game has to improve. He first made this 'error' against Leicester earlier on in the season for Vardy's first (granted Basham was more responsible then).

It happened again today. Now in mitigation he perhaps didn't want to hurl himself at the ball as was aware he was the sub keeper, we were winning 2-0 and it is an FA Cup game which would pale in significance should he get injured and it was a fine finish.

Nevertheless it's the third time this season that he has been conceded this sort of goal that I've seen. Something that he needs continuous training on that I'm sure that he's getting.

He could do much worse than try to learn from the best in world football at this skill:

That thumbnail of Neuer pole axing Higuain... remember it well from the 2014 World Cup Final. Should have been a straight red and not sure I want Hendo emulating that sort of thing.

 

[LenTednTony]

Think he could have done more for the goal against Watford on boxing day. He got caught at his near post after hesitating then being stuck in no man's land

To my mind, he was trying to narrow both angles so as to make the attacker have to make a decision. If he had covered his near post completely, if I remember correctly, another attacker was driving in on Hendo right and it would have been an easy cross/tap in. Sometimes situations dictate...

 

[BushBlade]

ffs man you didn't read the op properly.

He should have stayed on his line rather than go to no-man's land if he wasn't going to subsequently commit. Wilder himself said he was disappointed with the goal.

Constructive comments are not slagging the player off, but then if you read the op properly you would have seen that.

In what way are your comments constructive? He’s not going to take your advice and I’m pretty sure our well regarded goalkeeping coach doesn’t need your help either.

 

[mattbianco1]

I guarantee he throws himself at that if it's a league game.

He just didn't want to get injured. It will have been his main instruction.

I said exactly that. We don't concede that in the league

 

[mattbianco1]

Nevertheless it's the third time this season that he has been conceded this sort of goal that I've seen

Which were the others?

 

[Houston_Blade]

You surely can't apportion any blame to him for that Salah goal?! He had to make himself as big as he could there and even then the odds were always stacked very firmly against him.

The Deulofeu one I will give you; should have stayed on his line or carried on charging him down rather than getting caught in the middle of both but again, that will come with experience.

Coming off his line yesterday was an absolute last resort. If we'd have defended that situation properly he wouldn't even have been required. I agree with other posts in here though that had that been a league game with us in a good position I think he probably would have come off his line earlier and with much more intensity.

He's an outstanding young goalkeeper still learning his trade. I maintain my position that he will earn us more points than he costs us and I'll put my head on the block and say he will be England's number one at the next major tournament after Euro 2020.

The Salah one looked pretty poor to me. Salah ran to the front post and Henderson dived out into the middle of the goal behind him. Might be harsh but if you look at the positioning here it doesn't look good. Much harder for Salah to score if he's nearer his line and to the left side of the goal as we look at it.

 

[norfolkblade]

The Salah one looked pretty poor to me. Salah ran to the front post and Henderson dived out into the middle of the goal behind him. Might be harsh but if you look at the positioning here it doesn't look good. Much harder for Salah to score if he's nearer his line and to the left side of the goal as we look at it.

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The still doesn't look great but when you watch the move, Salah had got in front of JOC which I think is exactly why Hendo had come out to try and meet the ball in order to put more pressure on the finish. If he stays on his line he's probably still getting beaten and then absolutely lambasted for not coming off his line. Us keepers can't win

 

[Houston_Blade]

The still doesn't look great but when you watch the move, Salah had got in front of JOC which I think is exactly why Hendo had come out to try and meet the ball in order to put more pressure on the finish. If he stays on his line he's probably still getting beaten and then absolutely lambasted for not coming off his line. Us keepers can't win

That's why I took this still to backup my point . I didn't even realise at the time as I was still saying "George, George, George" to myself but the more I watch it the more I think he made it easy.

At the end of the day it's against Mo Salah so I'm being hyper-critical but I still think it's something for him to work on.

 

[Varkanoid]

As a member of the goalies' Union, you should know the difference between a howler (the goal at the Lane v Liverpool), and goals conceded where the keeper could have done better but probably not saved it (Watford). In his year and a half with us, he has made few howlers.

Sorry should have said "howler"

 

[BlairBlade]

His major weakness for me is that he really, really wants a full-time future at Manure.

 

[sitwell]

Usual empty vessels having a wankfest
It is Monday.

 

[Booker4]

I think Henderson is still improving all the time. In my view last season he had the odd howler in his game. This season he's only had one v Liverpool. He's also improved in his decision making re when to come for crosses, when to punch or catch. On occasion he's left too big a gap on his near post, but there's every chance if he covered the near post strikers at this level would slot the ball across the goal anyway.

 

[Sheff de party]

I guarantee he throws himself at that if it's a league game.

He just didn't want to get injured. It will have been his main instruction.

Has he ever done that?

 

[Sheff de party]

It's been discussed before on this forum after the Watford game; when he failed to anticipate the ball over the top and was slow off his line and when he did come off it he didn't fully commit and was stranded in no man's land and was beaten at his near post.

Every keeper makes mistakes, and yes he has saved us (forgive the pun) more points than lost. But if he is to become a top class keeper and this part of the game has to improve. He first made this 'error' against Leicester earlier on in the season for Vardy's first (granted Basham was more responsible then).

It happened again today. Now in mitigation he perhaps didn't want to hurl himself at the ball as was aware he was the sub keeper, we were winning 2-0 and it is an FA Cup game which would pale in significance should he get injured and it was a fine finish.

Nevertheless it's the third time this season that he has been conceded this sort of goal that I've seen. Something that he needs continuous training on that I'm sure that he's getting.

He could do much worse than try to learn from the best in world football at this skill:

I’ve been thinking the exact same thing. He’s only young and he’s a superb shot stopper, but this kind of decision making and his distribution is what he needs to work on.

The goal against Watford was very poor goalkeeping.

We’re still lucky to have him like - he said been superb overall and will no doubt go on to bigger and better things.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Henderson’s main weakness without a doubt is that the artificial sweetener saccharin is an ingredient

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

I think Henderson is still improving all the time. In my view last season he had the odd howler in his game. This season he's only had one v Liverpool. He's also improved in his decision making re when to come for crosses, when to punch or catch. On occasion he's left too big a gap on his near post, but there's every chance if he covered the near post strikers at this level would slot the ball across the goal anyway.

As you rightly point out , where a goalkeeper positions himself in a one on one situation is highly subjective and greatly improved by the benefit of hindsight , and after watching several replays . In many situations , it's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't .

Henderson is a fine young goalkeeper who will only get better and has the potential to be up there with the great Alan Kelly . As you also point out , in terms of complete howlers he has only made one this season which is less than those made by De Gea , Pickford and all the other goalkeepers who have been in the England squad .

Perhaps it's time for some to start looking at the other reasons for goals being conceded rather than pointing the finger at the goalkeeper every time .

In this respect , I am reminded of the knobhead who used to sit near me in the South Stand when Paddy Kenny was our keeper and who , every time the ball went in our net , would jump to his feet and shout " Fucking goalie , again "

Yeah , right .

 

[CrookesBlade]

Watched the Fylde goal back a few times and you need to look no further than Osborn and Bryan for where to apportion blame.

Any issues with his decision making and positioning are only going to improve with experience.

It used to be the accepted wisdom that keepers don’t peak until they are 30, now it seems we are ready to write them off in their early 20s.

 

[BushBlade]

Watched the Fylde goal back a few times and you need to look no further than Osborn and Bryan for where to apportion blame.

Any issues with his decision making and positioning are only going to improve with experience.

It used to be the accepted wisdom that keepers don’t peak until they are 30, now it seems we are ready to write them off in their early 20s.

England keeper syndrome. See Joe Hart, Paul Robinson etc.

 

[FMBlade1]

Watched the Fylde goal back a few times and you need to look no further than Osborn and Bryan for where to apportion blame.

Any issues with his decision making and positioning are only going to improve with experience.

It used to be the accepted wisdom that keepers don’t peak until they are 30, now it seems we are ready to write them off in their early 20s.

Who is writing them off in their early 20's and where? No-one is pointing the finger at the goalkeeper every time just suggesting areas of improvement, in the same way that people have done regarding McGoldrick's finishing.

He will improve with experience if he continues working on it, which there's no doubt unless we don't see a change in the fullness of time.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Who is writing them off in their early 20's and where? No-one is pointing the finger at the goalkeeper every time just suggesting areas of improvement, in the same way that people have done regarding McGoldrick's finishing.

He will improve with experience if he continues working on it, which there's no doubt unless we don't see a change in the fullness of time.

I was making a more general point not just restricted to this post or indeed this forum that keepers get written off, or at least come in for heavy criticism, at quite a young age when it should be accepted that they are developing. Look at Pickford for example. The room for them to make mistakes and move on isn't there any more. They generally emerge as great shot stoppers and the rest of the game comes with time.

What I have noticed though is an increase in threads, such as this one, looking to point the finger at the Henderson (and to be fair Simon Moore and Jamal Blackman before him) for goals conceded when its uncalled for. Osborn and Bryan didn't give him a prayer with the goal, any keeper at any level is doing very well to come and 'take the lot' after that mix up. At the elite level goalkeepers will often get you out of jail, that doesn't mean you can expect it 100% of the time. If a keeper is making anything other than a routine stop, catch or clearance then chances are somebody outfield has made an error.

Vardy's goal for Leicester is an another example that springs to mind. One of the deadliest strikers in the league is allowed the ball 7 yards out one on one relatively central to the goal, after we've tossed possession away in a dangerous area and people on here were moaning that he'd got beat at his near post from a shot that you could have probably heard from Manor Top.

 

[NuddysGloves]

I was making a more general point not just restricted to this post or indeed this forum that keepers get written off, or at least come in for heavy criticism, at quite a young age when it should be accepted that they are developing. Look at Pickford for example. The room for them to make mistakes and move on isn't there any more. They generally emerge as great shot stoppers and the rest of the game comes with time.

What I have noticed though is an increase in threads, such as this one, looking to point the finger at the Henderson (and to be fair Simon Moore and Jamal Blackman before him) for goals conceded when its uncalled for. Osborn and Bryan didn't give him a prayer with the goal, any keeper at any level is doing very well to come and 'take the lot' after that mix up. At the elite level goalkeepers will often get you out of jail, that doesn't mean you can expect it 100% of the time. If a keeper is making anything other than a routine stop, catch or clearance then chances are somebody outfield has made an error.

Vardy's goal for Leicester is an another example that springs to mind. One of the deadliest strikers in the league is allowed the ball 7 yards out one on one relatively central to the goal, after we've tossed possession away in a dangerous area and people on here were moaning that he'd got beat at his near post from a shot that you could have probably heard from Manor Top.

The getting beat at the near post myth frustrates me, yes the ball is closer to you but the majority of the time you're expecting the ball to go across so your weight is already shifted that way. I always think saving a shot at the near post is more impressive because it requires fantastic reactions combined with great reading of how a striker is lining up their shot.