Hecky's use of subs + squad players

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I’m all for new players having to earn their place. The problem is, depending on the position and players occupying it, the bar they have to meet is completely inconsistent.
 



Lmaobob said:
he went straight down tunnel at FT Yeah
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Like every player not picked and not used as a sub, he was upset and frustrated . Any player worth his salt feels the same, glad he feels that way and he doesn't just wander down the tunnel not giving a toss.
When he gets his chance I hope he thinks I'll show you bastards what you've been missing and smash it.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
My view is simple: it's a long season, we have the injury record of a bunch of geriatrics on crack, it's been red hot, we actually have some exciting options on the bench for once, we can use 5 subs.

Fucking use them.
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Some of our players are so old I bet the team coach had to stop six times on the way to Boro so they could have a piss.
 
Newbury Blade said:
Two players over 30 started for us, and the bench was one of the youngest we’ve ever had.
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I count 4.

Foderingham - 31
Fleck - 30
Norwood - 31
Sharp - 36

You would have assumed that, bar injury, 32 year old Enda Stevens and 32 year old Ciaran Clark would have started too with 34 year old Chris Basham not far away either. Egan’s 30 in October too.

In 30 degree heat…
 
A Storm of Blades said:
I count 4.

Foderingham - 31
Fleck - 30
Norwood - 31
Sharp - 36

You would have assumed that, bar injury, 32 year old Enda Stevens and 32 year old Ciaran Clark would have started too with 34 year old Chris Basham not far away either. Egan’s 30 in October too.

In 30 degree heat…
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I stand corrected, thought Wes and Jimmy were 29. I’m right about the bench though. The bench that stayed on the bench while the old ‘uns battled the heat.
 
Not only was it hot on Sunday and a hard fought game, meaning we could have done with freshening it up more from a practical point of view. But, I think given the quality across our squad, it’s an advantage we have over most other teams and we should therefore use this. Who else in the Championship can name a bench as strong as ours? Not many…
 
S64 Blade said:
Not only was it hot on Sunday and a hard fought game, meaning we could have done with freshening it up more from a practical point of view. But, I think given the quality across our squad, it’s an advantage we have over most other teams and we should therefore use this. Who else in the Championship can name a bench as strong as ours? Not many…
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What makes you feel our bench is that strong ?

I’ve not seen 3 of them play for us yet so how come we are all saying our bench is so strong . It is certainly hyped
 
Average subs per game used in last 11 full seasons:

Danny Wilson 2011-12 2.65
Danny Wilson 2012-13 2.02 (41 games)
Chris Morgan 2012-13 3.00 (5 games)
David Weir 2013-14 2.50 (10 games)
Chris Morgan 2013-14 3.00 (3 games)
Nigel Clough 2013-14 2.88 (33 games)
Nigel Clough 2014-15 2.87
Nigel Adkins 2015-16 2.76
Chris Wilder 2016-17 2.70
Chris Wilder 2017-18 2.54
Chris Wilder 2018-19 2.70
Chris Wilder 2019-20 2.76
Chris Wilder 2020-21 2.82 (28 games)
Paul Heckingbottom 2020-21 2.20 (10 games)
Slavisa Jokanovic 2021-22 2.95 (19 games)
Paul Heckingbottom 2021-22 2.59 (27 games)

The last game in which we did not use a sub was the 1-0 win at Everton in 2020-21.

Average subs per game:

Wilson 2.36
Morgan 3.00
Weir 2.50
Clough 2.87
Adkins 2.76
Wilder 2.67
Heckingbottom 2.48
Jokanovic 2.95

Of people who have managed more than a handful of games, only Danny Wilson used subs less than Heckingbottom, thanks to his 2012-3 season when he used only 1 sub as often as he used 3.

Having 5 subs to play with gives a smart manager with a good sized squad a lot of opportunities to change things round during games. I hope Heckingbottom embraces this change. Sunday was not a good start in this regard.
 
Bell4 said:
What makes you feel our bench is that strong ?

I’ve not seen 3 of them play for us yet so how come we are all saying our bench is so strong . It is certainly hyped
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Because two of them had very good seasons last year, in this very same division. The other is, by City fans’ definition, their next big thing.

Which other clubs have a bench as strong as ours? Not many.
 



S64 Blade said:
Because two of them had very good seasons last year, in this very same division. The other is, by City fans’ definition, their next big thing.

Which other clubs have a bench as strong as ours? Not many.
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As we were defending the lead I think Hecky was reluctant to make attacking subs.

It's a weakness in the squad that we don't have a midfielder with very good defensive attributes. When fit, I think Coulibaly may be one who could be used in such situations, to help us close down better in midfield and get challenges in.

The way it was Hecky probably thought it was more risky to put on attack minded players like McAtee and Doyle, than taking off any of the tiring, but experienced starting trio.
 
Bergen Blade said:
As we were defending the lead I think Hecky was reluctant to make attacking subs.

It's a weakness in the squad that we don't have a midfielder with very good defensive attributes. When fit, I think Coulibaly may be one who could be used in such situations, to help us close down better in midfield and get challenges in.

The way it was Hecky probably thought it was more risky to put on attack minded players like McAtee and Doyle, than taking off any of the tiring, but experienced starting trio.
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But, we brought a centre forward on?

It’s sometimes worthwhile bringing on a more attack minded player, to defend. The best form of defence is often to counter attack. We know from past experiences that this side is quite poor at defending a lead by sitting back.

Having Khadra on the field as an outlet to chase down balls in either of the channels would have been better than a tired, ineffective Berge, for example (second half).
 
S64 Blade said:
But, we brought a centre forward on?

It’s sometimes worthwhile bringing on a more attack minded player, to defend. The best form of defence is often to counter attack. We know from past experiences that this side is quite poor at defending a lead by sitting back.

Having Khadra on the field as an outlet to chase down balls in either of the channels would have been better than a tired, ineffective Berge, for example (second half).
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That was a striker for a striker and I reckon it was primarily to make us stronger aerially against Middlesbrough's set pieces...

Secondly I think we hoped McBurnie would win some flick ons in their half, if not box. I also think we wanted the ball to stick up front more, but unfortunately I don't think McBurnie holds play up very well. Hecky hasn't given up on him and wanted him to get some playing time to progress his match sharpness.

I agree with your reasoning for bringing Khadra on, for counter attacks, but sacrificing a midfielder for a more attacking type isn't something I expected Hecky to do at that time. I thought he was going to come on for Brewster, who was limping, but I think the sub was cancelled as Brewster wanted to play on.
 
We still played worse as a team after the subs even though the subs individually played fine
 
Few were calling for subs etc around the hour mark, Hecky waited.

Not sure if this was the case, but, seemed like Hecky waited a little longer with it being 0-0 knowing Swansea would push for the winner, even letting Swansea make their subs early on. Swansea pushing for the winner allowed space in behind for Brewster and Khadra to exploit in the final moments.

Master stroke?
 
Iceybabey said:
Few were calling for subs etc around the hour mark, Hecky waited.

Not sure if this was the case, but, seemed like Hecky waited a little longer with it being 0-0 knowing Swansea would push for the winner, even letting Swansea make their subs early on. Swansea pushing for the winner allowed space in behind for Brewster and Khadra to exploit in the final moments.

Master stroke?
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Not sure if intentional but yes did help having Brewster and Khadra with that extra gas.

However if we had conceded during that time like we possibly should have everyone would have been moaning in why subs on so late.
 
jono_t2000 said:
Not sure if intentional but yes did help having Brewster and Khadra with that extra gas.

However if we had conceded during that time like we possibly should have everyone would have been moaning in why subs on so late.
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Didn’t you see the chances we missed?
Owt to have a pop!
 
I’ve no issue what so ever in admitting my wrongs and tonight it turns out I am……

60-70 minutes…

Swansea throw the dice with a double substitution and others are warming up. We’ve been fortunate with some flimsy finishing from the home team and suddenly I begin to worry about our lack of movement on the sidelines…..

70 odd minutes….

They make a third change and we then respond in kind a few minutes later by introducing Brewster and McAtee. I begin to wonder whether we are now looking to get a foot on the ball and safely take a point home.

80+

Khadra on and Ndiaye off…. I start to grumble about a very congested midfield game in which we are going to be fortunate to take a point from the game. I don’t see anything coming from anywhere based on the substitutions made…..

Full time whistle……

We perhaps don’t deserve it, but it shows that I know fuck all and was wrong to doubt the substitutions made.
 
All positive subs tonight to try and win that game.

May also help that we don't have any defenders to bring on but never the less positive subs that won us the game.
 
Crying out for the kitchen sink to be thrown at that pile of shite. We started half decent second half but lacked a goal threat. If he’d have thrown the dice on 65mins we would’ve won that. They offered ZERO threat all game.
 



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