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Cricket has BazBall
We’ve had WilderBall
But I think we now have a far better HeckyBall
Wilder made the overlapping defenders attacking style work & was the envy of the Championship, but he made it work due to having the players to play it & rotate for covering the break.
But Hecky (who was a big part of it)
Has refined it and added a shoot on sight to it from the kick off or anywhere in the opponent’s half, and they don’t have to be net busters , just slide them inside the post.
Virtually anyone in our team (maybe except Wes) has license and ability to score. I think that’s so refreshing the only thing I’d tweak is sometimes we need to be aware of that on extra pass at the end of the move to give an assist instead of just hit and hope. That’s not a criticism’cause I think what we’re doing is great, and I think we’ll score 100+ this season
In the style of the Rolling Stones

“It’s only HeckyBall, but I like it “
 



In terms of general play, I don’t see much difference to the good times under Wilder. Some of the players have changed and that has given us some different dynamics, particularly at the top of the pitch, but ultimately, it’s almost identical in terms of possession based football and our pressing style off the ball.
 
coaxingstar71 said:
In terms of general play, I don’t see much difference to the good times under Wilder. Some of the players have changed and that has given us some different dynamics, particularly at the top of the pitch, but ultimately, it’s almost identical in terms of possession based football and our pressing style off the ball.
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Perhaps it’s like how restaurants do it… ‘Wilderball by Hecky’
 
Lets not get carried away yet but the early signs are looking pretty promising. If we continue to average 2 goals a game or close to it, then we'll have to defend pretty bloody badly not to be promoted.

One thing we always struggled to do under Wilder was score goals. Beside a cup game against Leyton Orient, I can't recall us giving teams the sorts of hidings we've been dishing out recently.
FallowfieldBlade said:
If Wilder had put a tardemark on Wilderball then Hecky would be getting sued right now

Its wilder ball with better players FACTS
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This is the difference. We have a very similar system but we aren't totally reliant on it to succeed like we used to be because for the first time in a long time, we have individual talent in the squad but crucially talent that works hard and plays for each other. There are no Mousset types upsetting the applecart.
 
Badger Blade said:
Lets not get carried away yet but the early signs are looking pretty promising. If we continue to average 2 goals a game or close to it, then we'll have to defend pretty bloody badly not to be promoted.

One thing we always struggled to do under Wilder was score goals. Beside a cup game against Leyton Orient, I can't recall us giving teams the sorts of hidings we've been dishing out recently.

This is the difference. We have a very similar system but we aren't totally reliant on it to succeed like we used to be because for the first time in a long time, we have individual talent in the squad but crucially talent that works hard and plays for each other. There are no Mousset types upsetting the applecart.
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Its wilderball but less disciplined IMO the forwards are allowed to do what they want because they are generally better than say Duffy was

However that probably means the performances are less consistent which they have been under hecky , with Wilder we didn't win every week but you knew what you were gonna get from every player a 7/10

If hecky can get 7/10 every week we will walk the league this year i reckon
 
The first season we were back in the Prem I always looked at Wolves (at that time) as being the more attacking evolution of our style of play with a 5-2-3. Under Hecky we have adapted to become that. I loved us under Wilder, the extremely hard working, high press, no nonsense tactics were top draw and the majority of the Prem could not handle it pre-covid. However, our play was one dimensional, leaving us without the players to adapt our formation successfully.
 
I think with both teams at their best the Wilder team is better.
 
We need a high quality midfielder who has experience and can change the directions we play that in turn would stop us becoming predictable like we were in our 2nd season in the PL
 
I agree with the op, it's Wilderball but less predictable and less structured. Wilderball in the early days was fantastic, however, once sussed it was very difficult for us to play. The better teams simply pushed further forward - restricting our advancing full/centre backs - and pressured Norwood as soon as he got the ball.

Hecky is less structured and more flexible. We no longer wait for the full/centre back to get into position, we play lovely flowing football and use them if they are up there and on the front foot. As said, we shoot far more often and take less passes in and around the opposition's box.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Wilderball early doors, but once sussed it was difficult for us to adapt and play a different way.
 
Taking away nothing from Hecky but it's a very similar style of play. Which it should be when he basically had the same squad wilder did. It's changed more this season but there's still that same "core".
Credit to him for playing in such a way that gets the best out of our players, rather than trying to force styles that don't work with a squad.
 
Wilder and Knill may have come up with overlapping CB's, but the overall playing strategy that still exists is club level imo. Possession based high pressing is taught at all levels of the club and although our previous manager adapted it successfully, Hecky should be given credit for evolving the club strategy, rather than him being credited for adapting Wilder and Knills tactics
 



Balham Blade said:
The main difference is the midfield. Nothing has bettered the Coutts/Fleck/Duffy axis IMHO, although the Norwood/Fleck/Duffy set up in 2018/19 ran it close.
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Aka, The Holy Trinity. Good times….Crying shame about Paul Coutts though, what a footballer he was in his pomp, made the game look effortless and silky smooth!
 
We play a different formation to Wilderball.
We're less structured and rigid than Wilderball.
We overlap less than Wilderball.
We don't play fucking 100 triagles in the corners and fail to cross a ball in like Wilderball.
We play in the middle more than Wilderball.
We shoot more than Wilderball.

Therefore.

It's not Wilderball.
 
Wilder ball was frankly brilliant until post COVID break. The results and performances backed this up too. They were good times and good performances too for the most.

Post COVID break we just weren't the same. I think it was fitness, losing JOC and not getting the right signings in that summer.

I'm now going to ignore the period until hecky became full time manager.
He has got us playing wilder ball again. But for me it does just mean that. Under Hecky, McCall and Lester they are trying to use that as the foundation or base and introduce other elements to the play.
This is good because it also means mixing up the play and evolving too.

I don't think to write off Wilder and Knills coaching is required. We don't know what they would have done had they remained and we were relegated.
But we can appreciate that so far ( and this is key!) It's going alright!
 
When Wilder was manager the ownership made it clear that they wanted to build the club around his footballing philosophy, from the academy all the way up to the first team. Despite the man himself leaving the club, and despite the interregnum under Slav, we've managed to do that and we're seeing the benefits this season.

Although I agree with those who say Hecky has altered Wilderball in some important ways, I think keeping the same basic formation and some of the same specialist roles (overlapping CBs, for example) makes it easier to identify players and integrate them into a settled way of playing.

We're lucky to have this. How often do you hear fans and pundits bemoaning the lack of a settled philosophy at Man Utd, for example?
 
Previously, JOC was the only player capable of holding his own in a decent premiership team. I feel that Ndiaya, Anel, Berge, Bogle and potentially Brewster could from our current team. Current team subsequently has potential to go further.
 
Tarqs said:
We play a different formation to Wilderball.
We're less structured and rigid than Wilderball.
We overlap less than Wilderball.
We don't play fucking 100 triagles in the corners and fail to cross a ball in like Wilderball.
We play in the middle more than Wilderball.
We shoot more than Wilderball.

Therefore.

It's not Wilderball.
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⬆️This
 
dc_blade said:
When Wilder was manager the ownership made it clear that they wanted to build the club around his footballing philosophy, from the academy all the way up to the first team. Despite the man himself leaving the club, and despite the interregnum under Slav, we've managed to do that and we're seeing the benefits this season.

Although I agree with those who say Hecky has altered Wilderball in some important ways, I think keeping the same basic formation and some of the same specialist roles (overlapping CBs, for example) makes it easier to identify players and integrate them into a settled way of playing.

We're lucky to have this. How often do you hear fans and pundits bemoaning the lack of a settled philosophy at Man Utd, for example?
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Wasn't the ask of the board just that we needed to work to a club philosophy, not that they wanted to build around his football philosophy?
 
Coutts/Fleck/Duffy- These 3 at their best was an absolute joy to watch. In 2017 we went to Forest and lost 2-1- but in actual fact we absolutely trounced them in all but score.

Duffy and Coutts were on a different level. I have been to the City Ground many times but that was the most enjoyable watch by miles. Duffy left about 3 players on their arses- and walking out Forest fans were genuinely amazed at our good we were.

Coutts on his day was superb to watch- and Duffy can fall in with Currie and Sabella as one of the best ever players to grace BDBL.

Sorry but Hecky ball doesn't match this yet.....but it's getting there.
 



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