Hecky on Talk Sport 9/8/23

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Andy67 said:
Ndiaye refused to sign for them
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Bear in mind people have lawyers who can make you say different so if he wants to I will say different. I don’t think I’d get legal aid so I would of course say he is not lying.😉
 
As I’ve said it is in the past so it’s not important anymore but we should be getting stuck in now as I think the damage to the club on the field and off the field is terrible.
 
Shawy24 said:
Prepared you a long reply but too long to read. You can thank me later.
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I have completely lied and retract the comment as I know the prince wouldn’t do anything so horrible as to mislead anyone. I’m sorry. Shawy anymore advice?
 
Andy67 said:
I would also like to say I think he is very honourable and had no intention of selling Berge even before SUTV video
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But it wouldn’t mean he was dishonourable if he chose to after said promotional video as it is up to him what he does and it’s not a question of morals.
 
Andy67 said:
I would also like to say I think he is very honourable and had no intention of selling Berge even before SUTV video
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To be fair, he did drop a hint about further outgoings this window and explained the rationale around selling players rather than having their contracts expire. I think anybody would expect decent bids for all none renewers to be accepted after that. His reasoning for letting players reach their final year (especially younger players) was inept imo. I think the reasoning is more I didn't have the money to offer new contracts on better terms at the time. The embargo would suggest that.I don't like the recent attempt to turn Berge into a villain. It isn't the first time that's happened either, no matter where it derives from. He always stuck his hand up to play as far as I know. He never demanded a move either despite well publicised interest. Same with Ndiaye.
 
nopigfansintown said:
To be fair, he did drop a hint about further outgoings this window and explained the rationale around selling players rather than having their contracts expire. I think anybody would expect bids for all none renewers to be accepted after that. His reasoning for letting players reach their final year (especially younger players) was inept imo. I think the reasoning is more I didn't have the money to offer new contracts on better terms. I don't like the recnt attempt to turn Berge into a villain - it isn't the first time that's happened either. He always stuck his hand up to play as far as I know. He never demanded a move either despite well publicised interest.
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Very good professional that did say he was happy to stay. Last I heard (in press) was he would be frozen out if he didn’t sign a contract. Couple of questions who makes you sign a contract? Who freezes you out and stops you from playing? Never believe everything you read in the press but lots of things are adding up and to be honest it’s embarrassing for our club. Maybe for the next Sutv promo video they could ask is it true that reports in the press said Berge would be frozen out (ffs that’s enough to make me go to the dump that is Burnley)
 
Can I just say before I get reported to Dazza (the one who gives the Prince a fair hearing) can I say you are really good too. That shouldn’t go down too badly as 70% on here like Dazza and wouldn’t dream of reporting my lie about the Prince and subsequent sincerest apologies about my said lie later.
 
Andy67 said:
Very good professional that did say he was happy to stay. Last I heard (in press) was he would be frozen out if he didn’t sign a contract. Couple of questions who makes you sign a contract? Who freezes you out and stops you from playing? Never believe everything you read in the press but lots of things are adding up and to be honest it’s embarrassing for our club. Maybe for the next Sutv promo video they could ask is it true that reports in the press said Berge would be frozen out (ffs that’s enough to make me go to the dump that is Burnley)
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I don't think it's a big leap. Berge doesn't want new deal. Club wants the money rather than to lose him on a free. Club tells Berge he wont play if he stays and doesn't sign to try and force him to do one or the other. The rumour was going around a well known Blades Whatsapp group the day before the DM article.
 
JayGreen17 said:
So it seems there’s no actual communication between Manager-Bettisss-Board…..


worrying, the Prince needs to be really careful as we’ll end up back in league 1 and his investment will be back to £1, while I understand the decision to sell, this decision should have been made months ago, put a line in the sand for the players to sign if they don’t then sell them, then the manager knows what he’s working with.

Now he has his hands and the teams feet tied in terms of those very important first 6 games of the season, the board have basically given us a handicap against all the other teams. It’s totally embarrassing, we’ve had four months to get a plan in place.
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JayGreen17 - you are spot on. This is just one in a long line of ownership blunders. After the 19/20 season when we finished 9th PA only had two real options - sell "at the top of the market" or "invest. He chose to do neither and we had the 20/21 shambles of a season.
He's had two years of EPL money and two years of Parachute payments and still we nearly went into administration and had a transfer embargo because we couldn't pay our debts. Please don't tell me how much he's spent - we had one of the lowest wage bills in the Premiership and frankly have spent hardly anything on players by premiership standards (and rememeber transfer fees are spread over the life of a contract),
He then tried to sell the club to someone who is now in jail for wire fraud and as for Dozy - shambolic.
Ask yourselves - why doesn't any decent investor want to buy a Premiership club, in a large city, with a big fan base, a half decent stadium and a heritage stretching back over 100 years? Bournemouth had no trouble selling themselves for £116m with a ground that barely holds 12,000 and a very limited fanbase. There can only be one answer - we are a financial basket case!
We should be looking forward to this season - I'm certainly not and as far as I'm concerned that's the ownership's fault.
 
Pennblade said:
JayGreen17 - you are spot on. This is just one in a long line of ownership blunders. After the 19/20 season when we finished 9th PA only had two real options - sell "at the top of the market" or "invest. He chose to do neither and we had the 20/21 shambles of a season.
He's had two years of EPL money and two years of Parachute payments and still we nearly went into administration and had a transfer embargo because we couldn't pay our debts. Please don't tell me how much he's spent - we had one of the lowest wage bills in the Premiership and frankly have spent hardly anything on players by premiership standards (and rememeber transfer fees are spread over the life of a contract),
He then tried to sell the club to someone who is now in jail for wire fraud and as for Dozy - shambolic.
Ask yourselves - why doesn't any decent investor want to buy a Premiership club, in a large city, with a big fan base, a half decent stadium and a heritage stretching back over 100 years? Bournemouth had no trouble selling themselves for £116m with a ground that barely holds 12,000 and a very limited fanbase. There can only be one answer - we are a financial basket case!
We should be looking forward to this season - I'm certainly not and as far as I'm concerned that's the ownership's fault.
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All of this is spot on and I don't know how anyone could argue against any of it.

For a lot of fans, it seems our success on the field plastered over the shambles behind-the-scenes. But in reality, this man has never been fit to run a football club. That has been clear for years.
 
Proper Blade said:
All of this is spot on and I don't know how anyone could argue against any of it.

For a lot of fans, it seems our success on the field plastered over the shambles behind-the-scenes. But in reality, this man has never been fit to run a football club. That has been clear for years.
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Too right👍
 



Problem here is all the staff there need support on Saturday but the shambles that is the board gets in the way. Osborn is criticised on here when he’s a model pro whilst the shysters of the board are ripping the club apart.
 
"We are not ready. We are not where we want to be. ---Its about replacing the players who have gone with those who can affect the first eleven--I trust we are going to bring replacements in I have to. The Board have been given their targets.---My worry is how the dynamic of the team will now look. We prepared for a way of playing but this could be affected by who we bring in -- we are trying to recruit to the way we want to play.- but that may not be possible with those that come in. Its a concern.

I found out this morning Sander wasn't coming in and he's going for a medical at Burnley. The timing of it is hugely disappointing. Hugely disappointing. Listen I'd prepared for both of them going a long time ago and had drawn up plans for replacements and presented them to the Club. The problem is when you leave it this long everything changes in terms of your targets.

I'm not going to comment on players being in the last year of their contract I may say something that gets me into trouble. Everyone knows what the problem is".

Its abundantly clear from PH's comments it's the snail pace the Club operates at when it comes to transfers and contracts that are his main issues. Been evident for years we need a Director of Football to manage this. Bettis and his Admin Manager cant do it all.

Jim White said post discussion PH was brutally honest. He was not getting help and being let down by poor management. You can't argue with that. Danny Murphy was very complimentary saying he expected given the circumstances PH would raise a lot of gripes but he came across as a competent manager trying to remain positive in difficult circumstances.

It has to be a concern that the growing number of incidents where PH's wishes are not being respected by the Board will eventually lead to an impasse that results in him moving on. The points about his targets being affected by delay and the manner in which he found out about Berge going are telling.
 
Andy67 said:
The Prince didn’t gamble, what happened was he was given money as an assurance. Ndiaye was sold but he flatly refused to go.
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The end result was that the club kept a player running down his contract which could help us with the promotion campaign. It was a gamble that might not have worked had Berge or Ndiaye downed tools
 
JayGreen17 said:
So it seems there’s no actual communication between Manager-Bettisss-Board…..


worrying, the Prince needs to be really careful as we’ll end up back in league 1 and his investment will be back to £1, while I understand the decision to sell, this decision should have been made months ago, put a line in the sand for the players to sign if they don’t then sell them, then the manager knows what he’s working with.

Now he has his hands and the teams feet tied in terms of those very important first 6 games of the season, the board have basically given us a handicap against all the other teams. It’s totally embarrassing, we’ve had four months to get a plan in place.
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Why 6 games ? Apart from a cup game there are only 4 before the first break.
I agree better to have a full squad for all four, but we haven’t.
 
Shawy24 said:
He won’t get them. We’ve seen it all before.
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With respect we’ve generally been good at bringing in targets. The doubters always seem to be proven wrong.

However accept you might be right this time, we may not get our targets as the owner wants to sell, so must have lost his mojo.
 
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Andy67 said:
He was all but sold to Everton but the player said he didn’t want to go. I said at the time and it is a fact. The spin was the Prince decided not to sell as he chose to keep him to help our chances of promotion.
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I heard the same from a reliable source who I hardly see (so I’m not ITK) and normally out of respect never ask him anything about United.

Apparently the issue was Everton wanted to insert a relegation clause and N’Diaye wanted to security of a set wage. Was told it was the same with us too.

Anyhow Marseilles wages weren’t the greatest but there was no relegation clause and back in May he had his heart set on them. Was told when the season ended the club had already accepted he’s leaving and were already looking for replacements.

Anyway Dozy stepped in, offered some money and put an end to it
 
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Snowflake said:
Why 6 games ? Apart from a cup game there are only 4 before the first break.
I agree better to have a full squad for all four, but we haven’t.
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I mean, It is what it is now but seriously….The state of the squad embarrasses us and the league.

And 4 games is c10% of the season

By the time the players are settled in and understand the system we’re 6/8 games in. Seasons 20% done

We’d barely stand a chance of staying up if they were here now. We’ve made it impossible to be competitive by being so abject in the transfer market.
 
SwissBlade said:
The end result was that the club kept a player running down his contract which could help us with the promotion campaign. It was a gamble that might not have worked had Berge or Ndiaye downed tools
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Different interpretations of outcome
 



Sheffsteel said:
I heard the same from a reliable source who I hardly see (so I’m not ITK) and normally out of respect never ask him anything about United.

Apparently the issue was Everton wanted to insert a relegation clause and N’Diaye wanted to security of a set wage. Was told it was the same with us too.

Anyhow Marseilles wages weren’t the greatest but there was no relegation clause and back in May he had his heart set on them. Was told when the season ended the club had already accepted he’s leaving and were already looking for replacements.

Anyway Dozy stepped in, offered some money and put an end to it
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However of course in matters there’s always the risk of Chinese whispers.

People have different versions of “the truth”.

The Prince might say he never had any intention of selling N’Diaye, which could mean anything really, he genuinely didn’t intend to sell him but due to uncontrollable circumstances he almost did.

And then if we know for a fact that there was never any stage where both club and player had agreed to sell N’Diaye to Everton.

So you could rightly (not a lie) say…at no time was N’Diaye due to be sold to Everton…… because it never reached the moment of truth.

In politician speak you can often say anything and technically it’s so difficult to prove they were deliberately lying.
 
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