He has lost it?

[Maidenhead]

If we get into the play-offs I won't be shocked to see Bramall Lane with 7/8k fans missing, waiting to jump all over the players & Wilder if things go wrong.

The only reason that I'll be missing for the play off games is that I'll be in Greece.

I'm back the day before the final, and if we're there, I'll be there.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

It has nothing to do with a few losses. Most of our own fans don't like him and haven't done since he had his brainfart in 2020 left us up shitcreek, his mental state has declined further since,
And the results have done nothing to cover what a few of us on here could see coming a mile off.

He doesn't learn, he doesn't change, he's not willing to do anything different from the boring, scrappy, mind numbing script that he's written, he has killed the performance of exciting players who have dug him out of a hole with 5 seconds of quality play in numerous shit games this season, and he's done his best to stifle even that 5 seconds because it takes it all away from him when a player hits the headlines rather than him.

When it gets tough he cracks, he absolutely cannot deal with pressure and he absolutely brings it all on himself by being so stubborn

Bang on the money

 

[Shawy24]

The only reason that I'll be missing for the play off games is that I'll be in Greece.

I'm back the day before the final, and if we're there, I'll be there.

I’m afraid Wilder has done for me this season. My play off career has involved the old Wembley Palace, new Wembley Burnley and Millennium Stadium Wolves. I’ve also done the loss to the Pigs at Wembley so I don’t think I could take another Widler tactical masterclass followed by a long depressing trip home ever again.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

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Nearly, not quite…but there are still a few matches left!

He’s also got the play-off’s ‘get out of jail card’ which most fans seem to have dismissed before kicking a ball but which could reign it all in and cap what has been for the most part, a very good season.

 

[Northyorksblade]

I’m afraid Wilder has done for me this season. My play off career has involved the old Wembley Palace, new Wembley Burnley and Millennium Stadium Wolves. I’ve also done the loss to the Pigs at Wembley so I don’t think I could take another Widler tactical masterclass followed by a long depressing trip home ever again.

So have many of us, me included but in the event we get to the final, I'll be there again.

 

[Maidenhead]

I’m afraid Wilder has done for me this season. My play off career has involved the old Wembley Palace, new Wembley Burnley and Millennium Stadium Wolves. I’ve also done the loss to the Pigs at Wembley so I don’t think I could take another Widler tactical masterclass followed by a long depressing trip home ever again.

Having done all that lot myself I totally get where you're coming from.

I live in hope, that one day we'll break that hoodoo and when we do, I don't want to miss it!

 

[Nick Jansky]

We have a big performance in us.
We've seen it on a handful of occasions this season, including against likely play-offs teams Middlesbrough and Coventry.

We have significantly more points than anyone in the play-offs, and better players.

We have plenty of time to turn it around.

The test will be whether or not we do turn it around. We’ll have to wait & see.

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Trying to deflect from how bad the past three games have been by harking back to pre-season expectations is a bit disingenuous. Compared to that we're doing miles better than anyone expected, but as the season goes on, expectations evolve (although even the most negative of pre-season predictions would have had us taking more than 0 points from the Plymouth, Millwall and Oxford games). Finishing on 83 points before the season would have been great, but finishing on 83 now would be utter failure as we'd have to lose seven in a row to do it.

The only person who has brought this much pressure and criticism on Chris Wilder is Chris Wilder, he's the one who reconstructed the squad in the summer, decided to replace Robinson in the first half of the season and found a system that wasn't always great to watch but got results. When the same Chris Wilder signs a bunch of players worse than we had already in January, sticks with Robinson for the entire second half of the season and starts faffing about with the system with players out of position, people are going to question why.

Lashing out at fans (even if he was right and it was only aimed at a few) is never going to end well if you don't do anything to prove them wrong. Sticking with the same side, tactics and repeating almost the same subs from Oxford against Millwall made it look like he'd run out of ideas, then starting with Cannon at Plymouth who has all the wrong attributes for the system he chooses to play meant we were chasing the game even when we were winning. He's always happy to take responsibility for the good times and big himself up when we're successful (and rightly so) but the one person Chris Wilder will never blame for anything is himself. If he showed a bit more humility after these defeats or an acknowledgement that anything was wrong there'd be a lot more optimism for the last four games (and probable play-offs) rather than people suggesting sacking him because he's lost the plot and giving up on the play-offs already.

 

[Nick Jansky]

He’s also got the play-off’s ‘get out of jail card’ which most fans seem to have dismissed before kicking a ball but which could reign it all in and cap what has been for the most part, a very good season.

I would be delighted if he underwent a fundamental personality change over the next month, to be capped off by a triumph at Wembley that he celebrates with humility and without hubris. But we’ll see.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

I would be delighted if he underwent a fundamental personality change over the next month, to be capped off by a triumph at Wembley that he celebrates with humility and without hubris. But we’ll see.

There is probably something in Wilder getting more tetchy with age but if some simply don’t like his personality I doubt much will change there.

UTB.

 

[Addison]

I would be delighted if he underwent a fundamental personality change over the next month, to be capped off by a triumph at Wembley that he celebrates with humility and without hubris. But we’ll see.

The adage " a leopard never changes it spots" springs to mind. Add in " If only Carlsberg did SUFC promotions". Not going to happen is it.

 

[LudlamBlade]

A big problem with Wilder is that he seems to have struggles with success once it's achieves...he thrives on the underdog status, being the chaser rather than the leader.

League One, we were expected to be dire. Promoted.

Championship, we were expected to be relegation fodder and get beat by the wendies. 2-4 and and respectable 10th followed by promotion.

Prem 1st season, we were expected to go straight back down. 9th and unlucky not to finish higher...although the collapse only happened once we were expected to push on and cement European qualification.

Prem 2nd season? We'd just finished 9th and were expected to have another good crack at it. Disaster.

Last season...everyone's whipping boys...he came in and got some results. Then the expectations were raised...another disaster.

This season? Expectations were all over the shop, but we've been chasing (and fighting against a -2pts deduction) all season...soon as we hit the top? Disaster.

This  could play into our hands now that we're behind and have a point to prove, but it relies on the top two dropping bollocks along the way.

We need a manager who is comfortable with being successful, rather than only being comfortable going against the odds...it's a bit of a whole club mentality issue in my opinion

 

[Nick Jansky]

There is probably something in Wilder getting more tetchy with age but if some simply don’t like his personality I doubt much will change there.

UTB.

Most people I know have become calmer and developed some context & perspective with age.

 

[Nick Jansky]

We need a manager who is comfortable with being successful, rather than only being comfortable going against the odds...it's a bit of a whole club mentality issue in my opinion

This was illustrated beautifully by his recent comment that a team full of internationals wouldn’t work at Sheffield United. How depressingly parochial and backwards. It works at plenty of other places. But I think what he actually meant is that they wouldn’t be having him & his methods.

 

[reedy63]

I do not think Chris Wilder has lost the dressing room. However, he could do with conducting himself better. His attitude has changed in his interview on Radio Sheffield after the game finished. Giggs, the Radio Sheffield commentator, asked him a question. He replied What do you think rather, turseley. He was in a bad mood, I think. We lost the game in a very bad week three defeat on the trot. Cannon is very poor, only a few touches of the ball until he got taken off. Robinson has passed it. Holding should start on Good Friday against Cardiff. Some other players should be dropped as well. I can't see dirty leeds or Burnley dropping any more points, so it is the playoffs for us. Can we win the playoffs at Wembley, 100 years after our last win there since the FA Cup in 1925?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I’m afraid Wilder has done for me this season. My play off career has involved the old Wembley Palace, new Wembley Burnley and Millennium Stadium Wolves. I’ve also done the loss to the Pigs at Wembley so I don’t think I could take another Widler tactical masterclass followed by a long depressing trip home ever again.

So have many of us, me included but in the event we get to the final, I'll be there again.

Having done all that lot myself I totally get where you're coming from.

I live in hope, that one day we'll break that hoodoo and when we do, I don't want to miss it!

All we want is to see United win at Wembley whatever the competition.
Then we can shuffle contentedly (when our time is up, natch) off this mortal coil!
Well that's what I think any road up!

 

[chesblade]

I didn't want him back but he has won me over this season. Don't think we would be in this position without him. I don't think any of us expected to be up there. My only gripe is reading all other teams fans ripping us and him apart on social media because of how he reacted. Another excuse for the idiot on TS tomorrow to have a go.
Still behind him and the team, no one knows what can happen over next few games

 

[Slugger]

“"Wilder loses it and violently attacks opposing players"

Has anyone on here said that? I suggested that it could be a fuck you selection but it’s not as ridiculous as your above claim.

Re Cannon, l can see no reason why he would play him Saturday, based on his pretty dismal performances. Where did he believe playing him as a sole striker would see him look good? Then there’s sticking with the tactics that failed miserably in the previous two games.

Robinson has long been a scapegoat for some. Unlike the Cannon selection l don’t see that as a fuck you fans issue.

“"Wilder loses it and violently attacks opposing players"

Has anyone on here said that? I suggested that it could be a fuck you selection but it’s not as ridiculous as your above claim.

Re Cannon, l can see no reason why he would play him Saturday, based on his pretty dismal performances. Where did he believe playing him as a sole striker would see him look good? Then there’s sticking with the tactics that failed miserably in the previous two games.

Robinson has long been a scapegoat for some. Unlike the Cannon selection l don’t see that as a fuck you fans issue.

It's just too far-fetched a scenario that someone who has been a professional sportsman for his entire life, mostly at an elite level, would deliberately sabotage his chances of winning in order to piss off a few fans.

Does anyone seriously believe that Wilder is basing his selections on any other criteria than giving us a chance at promotion?

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's just too far-fetched a scenario that someone who has been a professional sportsman for his entire life, mostly at an elite level, would deliberately sabotage his chances of winning in order to piss off a few fans.

Does anyone seriously believe that Wilder is basing his selections on any other criteria than giving us a chance at promotion?

Who suggested deliberate sabotage?

Another gross exaggeration.

 

[Slugger]

Who suggested deliberate sabotage?

Another gross exaggeration.

You just said that you saw the Cannon selection as a "fuck you fans" issue.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You just said that you saw the Cannon selection as a "fuck you fans" issue.

That’s what l said yes. No mention of sabotage. Irrespective of Cannons performances he was picked for a must win game. Did you think it was a sensible decision? Or an “l’ll show ‘em” from a manager seemingly devoid of any ideas to improve performances but with a known don’t challenge me persona?

Any link to your violent assault claims?

 

[Slugger]

That’s what l said yes. No mention of sabotage. Irrespective of Cannons performances he was picked for a must win game. Did you think it was a sensible decision? Or an “l’ll show ‘em” from a manager seemingly devoid of any ideas to improve performances but with a known don’t challenge me persona?

Any link to your violent assault claims?

Obviously in hindsight nobody (not even Wilder) could honestly claim that it was a sensible decision to select Cannon as a lone striker v Plymouth.
I wouldn't have picked him but then I'm not privy to the fitness levels of TC and KM, the gameplan devised for that particular fixture etc etc
If I for 1 minute thought that part of the reason to select Tom Cannon was to send a "fuck you" message to the fans, I'd be shouting for Wilder to be sacked as loud as anyone on this forum.

Edit: Violent assault claims? There is literally a thread entitled "Wilder fighting with Plymouth players in tunnel"

 

[Champagneblade]

It has nothing to do with a few losses. Most of our own fans don't like him and haven't done since he had his brainfart in 2020 left us up shitcreek, his mental state has declined further since,
And the results have done nothing to cover what a few of us on here could see coming a mile off.

He doesn't learn, he doesn't change, he's not willing to do anything different from the boring, scrappy, mind numbing script that he's written, he has killed the performance of exciting players who have dug him out of a hole with 5 seconds of quality play in numerous shit games this season, and he's done his best to stifle even that 5 seconds because it takes it all away from him when a player hits the headlines rather than him.

When it gets tough he cracks, he absolutely cannot deal with pressure and he absolutely brings it all on himself by being so stubborn

So what you seem to be saying is that when we win it’s down to the players but when we lose it’s down to the manager?

At this level, this squad should have done better in the past 3 matches. Once the whistle was blown it was down to them. They didn’t get told to pass slowly, to miscontrol the ball, to shoot in the wrong areas of the goal, to lose headers, to lose their men etc.

Those players, regardless of which ones Wilder selected, should have had enough to, at minimum, take 4 points from Plymouth and Oxford even if you give Millwall their due as a team competing or a Play Off spot.

The players are getting off awfully lightly here.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I didn't want him back but he has won me over this season. Don't think we would be in this position without him. I don't think any of us expected to be up there. My only gripe is reading all other teams fans ripping us and him apart on social media because of how he reacted. Another excuse for the idiot on TS tomorrow to have a go.
Still behind him and the team, no one knows what can happen over next few games

I'm with you Chesblade! All is not lost yet!.
When the going gets tough the tough get going and all that ! Disappointment is rife but we after go again.!!

 

[Blades1971]

Obviously in hindsight nobody (not even Wilder) could honestly claim that it was a sensible decision to select Cannon as a lone striker v Plymouth.
I wouldn't have picked him but then I'm not privy to the fitness levels of TC and KM, the gameplan devised for that particular fixture etc etc
If I for 1 minute thought that part of the reason to select Tom Cannon was to send a "fuck you" message to the fans, I'd be shouting for Wilder to be sacked as loud as anyone on this forum.

Edit: Violent assault claims? There is literally a thread entitled "Wilder fighting with Plymouth players in tunnel"

Sorry mate. Even someone with basic football knowledge knows Cannon needs to play in a two. Wilder was setting him up to fail playing him as a lone striker . Which is what happened.

 

[Slugger]

Sorry mate. Even someone with basic football knowledge knows Cannon needs to play in a two. Wilder was setting him up to fail playing him as a lone striker . Which is what happened.

So you think that Wilder who has been a professional sportsman for his entire adult life (and a very successful one at an elite level) deliberately set us up to fail?

It's a big big statement and one that (if true) should see him not only sacked but facing all sorts of charges from the authorities.

Do you not think that perhaps the assumption was that Hamer, JRS and O'Hara would have enough creativity and Clarke and Burrows would get in forward enough positions that Cannon would get both the support and the service required to make him an effective focal point to our attack? Do you not think that an experienced management team would have worked on this formation and studied the obvious weaknesses of the Plymouth defensive structure?

Obviously in hindsight we were totally ineffective. We were pathetic in fact and I blame both Wilder and the players.

But to suggest that they were deliberately set up to fail ...