Has Porter gone then?

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We can get more strikers.

What is Ade Akinbiyi doing these days? :)
 
Id rather have a one legged Porter playing in a blindfold than that useless lump badbuy, starting the Prem season with him is what got us relegated and signing him in the first place cost us top spot in the Champ. Now Luton Shelton whatever happened to him ;)
 
Ted Danson said:
Id rather have a one legged Porter playing in a blindfold than that useless lump badbuy, starting the Prem season with him is what got us relegated and signing him in the first place cost us top spot in the Champ. Now Luton Shelton whatever happened to him ;)
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Reckon we could get Ashley Ward out of retirement?
 
SotonBlade said:
Danny Webber.....YHIHF! :D
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I actually think Danny would be quite effective at this level, we've needed pace up front for a while now.

I guess the question is does he still actually have any pace? Not really seem him enough at L**ds to make a judgement tbh.
 
He's still here. All players are contracted until 30/06/2012. The players on that list are just those who haven't agreed terms anywhere yet as far as I know.
 
I guess it will be all sorted once he returns from holidays. I understand he was still away last week - not sure if he is back this week. Suppose he will either sign the terms offered or be looking to see what else is out there.
Given his injury record and the fact that he has just got back to some semblance of fitness this year it's probably likely that he would sign - having said that, he was dropped for th PoF - so who knows, he may have been pissed off with that decision and be looking to get a gig somewhere else to guarantee first team football - unlikely he will believe he is a first team sure starter
 
Ted Danson said:
Id rather have a one legged Porter playing in a blindfold than that useless lump badbuy, starting the Prem season with him is what got us relegated and signing him in the first place cost us top spot in the Champ.
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Wash your mouth out young man. Never speak ill of anyone who scores a winner at Hillsborough. Ever.

:)
 
Kenilworth said:
I guess it will be all sorted once he returns from holidays. I understand he was still away last week - not sure if he is back this week. Suppose he will either sign the terms offered or be looking to see what else is out there.
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I'm assuming the same applies to Macca and Willo? I guess we'll find out in the next week or so what's happening with them. The silence over their contracts offered worries me...
 
Like whats been said in another thread tell Porter, KMac and Willo to sign or fcuk off elsewhere. Then we may actually get someone in before preseason starts
 



stannyblade said:
Like whats been said in another thread tell Porter, KMac and Willo to sign or fcuk off elsewhere. Then we may actually get someone in before preseason starts
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I'd like Willo & Mc to stay but I have to agree with this. It would be nice to get the squad in place before pre-season starts - you know, like just about every other club manages to do. DW says he's happy to give players as long as they want to decide if they are staying - but we will be fxxxxd if they leave just before the season starts.

We got ourselves in a right mess for the play-off final with no goal threat - surely we aren't going to start next season in the same position?
 
I think Porter would get us 13-18 goals if he started virtually every league game. Would you take that? He can score goals, think people just dont like him because hes nothing fantastic. I think hes a very effective striker at this level.
 
Jehovah said:
I think Porter would get us 13-18 goals if he started virtually every league game. Would you take that? He can score goals, think people just dont like him because hes nothing fantastic. I think hes a very effective striker at this level.
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He's not good enough to be our main striker - & a return of 13-18 would not be enough for our main scorer unless several others chipped in 8+ (which is unlikely with our squad). I thought Porter was terrible in his first few games for us (contributed little & constantly offside). He looked better at the end of the season & is now ahead of Cresswell in my ratings - but I don't think he's a good finisher. We desperately need to bring in a pacey striker who can finish.
 
Deano said:
He's not good enough to be our main striker - & a return of 13-18 would not be enough for our main scorer unless several others chipped in 8+ (which is unlikely with our squad). I thought Porter was terrible in his first few games for us (contributed little & constantly offside). He looked better at the end of the season & is now ahead of Cresswell in my ratings - but I don't think he's a good finisher. We desperately need to bring in a pacey striker who can finish.
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Agree - that's why we will not be in the top 6
He would probbably work well with another pacey striker alongside but Porter needs decent delivery from wide - he is not going to latch onto a trhough ball and strip a defense for pace before slotting past the goal keeper. He could set up a lot of chances for another striker he is paired with though.
 
Oh christ, booboy Porter gets it in the neck again. In spite of having a decent run of goals per game and giving 100% whenever asked to.

Underrated player because he wasn't ched. Movement is good and when playing as the foil for a quick man he is more than good enough at this level. Should he get 18 goals in a season he would be around what you would want. What you actually need is the quick guy alongside him bagging 15+ as well. Its about partnerships, we have all seen what happens when you are over reliant on one bloke. Or do we never learn?
 
Bladesway said:
Oh christ, booboy Porter gets it in the neck again. In spite of having a decent run of goals per game and giving 100% whenever asked to.

Underrated player because he wasn't ched. Movement is good and when playing as the foil for a quick man he is more than good enough at this level. Should he get 18 goals in a season he would be around what you would want. What you actually need is the quick guy alongside him bagging 15+ as well. Its about partnerships, we have all seen what happens when you are over reliant on one bloke. Or do we never learn?
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Agree with every word mate. Porter's a good finisher, better than most in the air. and always puts a shift in. You can't ask for much more than that, especially at this level. His goal scoring record is ok as well, considering he never had chance to get a settled role in the team.

I'm in the minority but I rate him.
 
He got 6 goals in 20 starts. That's marginally more than one goal every four games.

If you factor in his substitute appearances it's 6 in 37.

If you count all appearances including the cups, it's 7 in 41.

It's at best a poor goalscoring ratio, especially for a club chasing promotion and scoring historically high amounts of goals in the process.

The idea he will get anything approaching 18 in what is sure to be a weaker side is wishful thinking.

It's a matter of opinion, but I highly doubt he would improve with a concerted run in the side. There's no reason for us to gamble that he will when we can release him and get someone better in.

The stuff about him working hard and so on is subjective. I could just as easily say he's always offside, too slow, and not a good finisher.

Even if we leave aside the fact he isn't good enough, he doesn't score enough goals.
 
the fact that nearly everything went to Ched last year didnt give the rest much chance? How many did Cresswell get goals per games Secret?
 
stannyblade said:
the fact that nearly everything went to Ched last year didnt give the rest much chance? How many did Cresswell get goals per games Secret?
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Possibly, but then you could argue that having a better partner alongside you would increase the amount of chances you receive. I really don't know.

According to the o/s, Cresswell got 9 from 33 starts, 9 from 44 if you count sub appearances.

If you factor in the cups he got 10 in 50 - one goal every five games. Again, poor.

It might be said that Porter and Cresswell typically play as target men, hold it up and try to lay things on for the shadow striker but the one thing we know is that this doesn't work when they play with each other, which would be the case next year if Porter is retained. So this should be avoided.

Obviously we should move heaven and earth to get rid of Cresswell, since his wages are crippling us, but I don't think it has any chance at all of happening.

Why Trevor Birch, supposedly an expert, thought it would be a good idea to offer a 32 year old a three year contract I do not know.
 
The issue with scrutinising Porter's record last season is that he was in and out of the team. I might well be wrong but he didn't tend to score many in the first couple of games in a spell in the team which would suggest that both he and the rest of the players needed to adjust to his style.

For what it's worth, I think he's a far better striker than Cresswell but he's probably not a 20-a-season striker. That said, Shipperley top-scored with 11 when we went up to the Premiership so more it's about the contribution from the rest of the team than getting a striker who can score loads.
 
JohnDenver said:
Which leads us to ask why Birch was paid so well. It's a procession of stupidity.
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And why after such failure, it cost us over £250,000 to bin the useless twat.

You have to take your hat off to McCabe, for someone with such stupdity within, he's done really well for himself.

UTB
 
I'm a big fan of optimistic prediction but thinking we can bin porter off and someone better will appear over the hill is bordering on LSD hallucinogenic qualities. If we are struggling to get one in now how does getting rid of one benefit us. Apart from in the mind of a deluded lunatic? The first base many of our fans need to get to is the one of realism. Then you realise that we either bring youth through or gamble on a lower league player with potential who we can get on the cheap. Its where we are.
 
Bladesway said:
I'm a big fan of optimistic prediction but thinking we can bin porter off and someone better will appear over the hill is bordering on LSD hallucinogenic qualities. If we are struggling to get one in now how does getting rid of one benefit us. Apart from in the mind of a deluded lunatic? The first base many of our fans need to get to is the one of realism. Then you realise that we either bring youth through or gamble on a lower league player with potential who we can get on the cheap. Its where we are.
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Well I don't think we have tried and failed to bring anyone in yet. We haven't tried because we are waiting to see what Williamson and MacDonald are doing first and then we are going to act according to the budget that that would then determine. We certainly haven't been proactive and they are both almost certainly running their contracts down to leave on frees, but the message we have been getting, if any, is that transfer activity has been suspended dependent on waiting on these two (I leave Porter out of this, because I suspect we may have offered him something derisory). We may be struggling. On the other hand, we may be (of necessity) biding our time in the unlikely event we manage to tie down one of these two, which would leave us with a stronger hand.

It is realistic to assume we could get someone better in than Porter, seeing as he only managed to score one goal in four games in a promotion side (being very generous to him). He is a mediocre player. His level is the league below, not even our league. I'm perfectly happy to gamble on a lower league player with potential, as you say, or on youth. We are stuck with Cresswell for another season. We cannot play Porter and Cresswell together if we aim to score goals. We need a different type of striker to a target man. Given this I don't see the logic of tying Porter to the club for another year at least (although if what we have offered him is a wage befitting his ability he may well stay on and contest the place with Cresswell, who tires rapidly).

The excessive optimism here is in thinking that Porter is somehow going to score over twice as many goals in a worse team for no other reason than if he plays every week.

It is not in thinking that we will be unable turn up a striker who is going to score more frequently than once every four games.
 



It is very naive, given the options we had up front for the last 3 games of the regular season (plus 3 play-off fixtures), to argue we can afford to dispose of Porter. We simply do not have enough depth, good enough or not, to let a striker who can do a job at this level walk away. If he goes, we have Cresswell, Cresswell, oh and Cresswell to choose from up top. Yes, we may bring some youth through into the squad but to base a promotion push around an unproven youngster and a tiring veteran is ludicrous.

For what it's worth, I hope Porter stays (providing the contract we offered him reflects our financial position). I reckon him + a quicker striker to supplement him could work, with Cresswell and a youngster as back might just be enough. We'll see...
 
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