CONFIRMED Hamer joins Coventry

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A DoF doesn't need to have played the game if he has a team around him that's competent and can be trusted.

One of the main benefits of the DoF structure is to take emotion out of the decision making process and focus on what's good for the club in the long run, rather than signing a player cause you owe the agent a favour or you think a player is a good lad.

  • Player analytics highlight where the team performs well and where the team has gaps.
  • Recruitment / Scouting look for players with the required characteristics that fill that gap.
  • The long list is shared with the first team coaching staff and manager and a short list drawn up from the favourites.
  • Short list is presented to the DoF to negotiate the purchases.

Player contracts/options are incredibly complicated, this is why you want a commercial expert rather than a football expert doing it.
Sounds good in theory but in practise, will it work at SUFC?
 
I think we COULD be a better side without him even if a replacement scores and assists less BUT the replacement has to be someone who balances us much better than he ever did and preferably with pace

Selling a talented player isn't the end of the world if you use that money correctly just look at the David Brooks sale. Imo none of those players who came in were better but made us stronger in total
 
I have been a big football fan for 56 years but I dont really know what a DoF really does.
Strategic Planning and Club Philosophy

Define a long-term football vision for the club.
Establish a unified playing style and philosophy from the academy to the first team.
Ensure continuity when first-team managers or head coaches change

Transfers and Recruitment

Lead player scouting, data analysis, and talent identification networks.
Negotiate player contracts, transfers, and renewals alongside financial departments.
Balance squad needs with budget limitations and financial regulations.

Department Management and Coordination

Supervise sports science, medical, and physiotherapy operations.
Oversee youth academy development and pathways to the senior squad.
Support and evaluate the first-team coaching staff.
 
Genuinely think we’ll be better off without him, I’ve said it for years. He’s unfit, undisciplined and gives the ball away in dangerous areas. People ignore this because he can score the occasional great goal or provide a good pass. It’s a good job Coventry got promoted and have some attachment to him, otherwise we’d not be able to sell him.

This is where football is a matter of opinions. I presume you think he didn't deserve to win our player of the year in the 23/24-year, Championship player of the year 24/25 and be in the pfa team of the year 24/25.

Deluded springs to mind.

Who do you think we will replace him with then?
 
"Not putting the club at risk" and then spent the whole of this summer chasing targets well outside our, clearly limited, budget (souttar, phillips, BBD et al).

Not to mention the previous money wasted on Cannon, McBurnie, Brewster, C. Robinson, L. Freeman, Rodwell, Morison, Mousset etc....

We're in this shit state cause he burnt through the premier league money on shite players.
Great response that honestly the saying pot kettle black or something ,wilders spunked millions away as he says lol .
 
Taking all the factors into account anything over £5m will be an acceptable price.
Not to us put to the people wanting to buy him, who know that we are not prepared to let him run down his contract.
The only hope we have is if another club or clubs toss their cap into the ring, but that effect will be minimal as Hamer has clearly said that he prefers Coventry and they can offer whatever they want.
 
By not paying poor wages and leaving negotiations until the end when the balance of power sits with the player.

It does happen at other clubs, but let’s not pretend we aren’t repeat offenders here for it happening to our top talent.
The club will be negotiating all the time. United do not pay poor wages relative to this division. Extensions of contracts happen all the time,which you'll just ignore.You are just focusing on the ones that don't go our way, so no, we are not repeat offenders.
 
The club will be negotiating all the time. United do not pay poor wages relative to this division. Extensions of contracts happen all the time,which you'll just ignore.You are just focusing on the ones that don't go our way, so no, we are not repeat offenders.
Which key players have recently extended their contracts?

In the last few years which ones have gone our way other than when players were breaking into the first team?
 
Let him go, I don't want anyone who doesn't really want to be here. And to Coventry, yes Coventry, the city that is full of grey and a football team that apart from a cup win in 87 has never done anything, never brought through any quality players, I think the most famous is ogrizivic and Gary mcsheffrey and that's it. Nothing club but enjoying a moment in the sun. Let's hope they have got more kebab shops for billy bunter, fuck him.....UTB
 
This is where football is a matter of opinions. I presume you think he didn't deserve to win our player of the year in the 23/24-year, Championship player of the year 24/25 and be in the pfa team of the year 24/25.

Deluded springs to mind.

Who do you think we will replace him with then?

What have I said that’s deluded? When he was out of the team last year, we saw our best run of results. I suppose you’d say that’s a coincidence.

You can’t argue he’s unfit or undisciplined. He looks overweight, can’t do 90 minutes, looks like he’s blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes and gets lengthy suspensions every season.

We’ll probably replace him with an athletic winger on loan from a premier league club, I’m all for it.

As for him being the player of the year 23-24, the bar wasn’t high was it, Jack Robinson was runner up!
 



You tell me. You are the one making the claims.
I can’t tell you something that hasn’t happened.

I can tell you who has left with one year or less left on their deal, for a far lower price. None of which we ever really replaced.

Ndiaye
Berge
Anel
Bogle
And now, Hamer.

We also let one of our most expensive signings ever, Oli McBurnie, walk away for zero.
 
In a nutshell, I think the manager picks the team and does the interviews basically. The DOF does everything else regarding the operations of running the club, dealing with contracts etc etc.

I may be wrong, but that's my understanding.
I doubt a DOF does everything else. I think a DOF is primary responsible for recruitment and strategy across all the playing sides, creating pathways from the academy to the first team, defining the playing style etc.
I doubt he/she would deal with contracts except in terms of recommending terms to the CEO or whoever negotiates them.
But I guess it varies from club to club.
 
I can’t tell you something that hasn’t happened.

I can tell you who has left with one year or less left on their deal, for a far lower price. None of which we ever really replaced.

Ndiaye
Berge
Anel
Bogle
And now, Hamer.

We also let one of our most expensive signings ever, Oli McBurnie, walk away for zero.

We probably need to be stricter in how we operate contracts. For example sign a player on a 4 year deal. If they don't want to renew after 2 seasons then look to move them on, no fucking about waiting til the final year.

Maybe with Gus we hoped Leeds were going to give us what we wanted price wise last summer and it didn't happen.
 
What have I said that’s deluded? When he was out of the team last year, we saw our best run of results. I suppose you’d say that’s a coincidence.

You can’t argue he’s unfit or undisciplined. He looks overweight, can’t do 90 minutes, looks like he’s blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes and gets lengthy suspensions every season.

We’ll probably replace him with an athletic winger on loan from a premier league club, I’m all for it.

As for him being the player of the year 23-24, the bar wasn’t high was it, Jack Robinson was runner up!

what teams did we play against?

Hes unfit yes i agree, but he has always been a bit agressive. Thats what gives him that edge. He has a bit of fight in him!

Yeah great shout! lets get a winger on loan from a premier league team to develop him and then he goes back at the end of the season. Pay his wages and we get no returns whatsoever!

As in the premiership season 23/24? Anel Ahmedhodžić? Vinícius Souza? If we didn't have Hamer, we would have been a laughingstock and finished bottom rivaling derby for their points total

As I've said before deluded pal.
 
A DoF doesn't need to have played the game if he has a team around him that's competent and can be trusted.

One of the main benefits of the DoF structure is to take emotion out of the decision making process and focus on what's good for the club in the long run, rather than signing a player cause you owe the agent a favour or you think a player is a good lad.

  • Player analytics highlight where the team performs well and where the team has gaps.
  • Recruitment / Scouting look for players with the required characteristics that fill that gap.
  • The long list is shared with the first team coaching staff and manager and a short list drawn up from the favourites.
  • Short list is presented to the DoF to negotiate the purchases.

Player contracts/options are incredibly complicated, this is why you want a commercial expert rather than a football expert doing it.
So Carl Scheiber then!

That’s basically what he does, what you outlined there.

If we call him that will everyone stop suggesting this is some sort of silver bullet?

Remember that terrible season Spurs has last year -> DoF.

It’s about getting quality decision makers into the club and outing those that aren’t. Call them what you want.

I’m surprised Hoyland and Allen are both unscathed after last season’s mess.
 
We probably need to be stricter in how we operate contracts. For example sign a player on a 4 year deal. If they don't want to renew after 2 seasons then look to move them on, no fucking about waiting til the final year.

Maybe with Gus we hoped Leeds were going to give us what we wanted price wise last summer and it didn't happen.
Exactly. The management of it is poor given it’s a repeating pattern for top players.

And if we hoped Leeds were going to give us the same price as 12 months ago then that commercial naivety is telling.
 
Thanks for Gus Back, done you over a barrel aswell with the fee.
Enjoy Bolton away.
Go on then will take a little bite.... "done you over a barrel" presumably meaning "to place them in a helpless position where they have no choices left and must do what you want"

Strange that we are so helpless that we have rejected a bid for Hamer https://coventryobserver.co.uk/spor...r-gustavo-hamer-rejected-by-sheffield-united/ as reported by your very own (presumably you live in Coventry) local newspaper/website which was also reported by Sky sports. So in a helpless position but we can say no to an offer. The player's transfer fee will be guaranteed to be undisclosed with a rough idea being leaked to papers, currently nobody on this forum unless they work for SUFC or Coventry in the relevant departments know the actual valuation both parties are trying to agree on. For a club like us a fee that is in the millions is pure cash and a big chunk salary off our books. For a player that lasts 60-70 minutes in the championship usually before going off, is injury prone and discipline prone he will be found massively wanting in the Premier League, which has got stronger since we were there never mind "you"
 
We probably need to be stricter in how we operate contracts. For example sign a player on a 4 year deal. If they don't want to renew after 2 seasons then look to move them on, no fucking about waiting til the final year.

Maybe with Gus we hoped Leeds were going to give us what we wanted price wise last summer and it didn't happen.
The logic you offer does make sense but the signings last summer are reasons why we should not offer four year contracts. Extend after the first year of a three year contract with the option in our favour
 
By not paying poor wages and leaving negotiations until the end when the balance of power sits with the player.

It does happen at other clubs, but let’s not pretend we aren’t repeat offenders here for it happening to our top talent.

What do you mean poor wages? 10 plus grand a week sounds pretty decent to me.

Not sure how accurate this is...

 
Exactly. The management of it is poor given it’s a repeating pattern for top players.

And if we hoped Leeds were going to give us the same price as 12 months ago then that commercial naivety is telling.

Well Leeds thought the money could be better spent elsewhere, can't argue with it either because they did spend it elsewhere and stayed up.

Which is why I am surprised Coventry are pushing this hard for Gus especially if they are close to meeting our asking price. As I still see some of their fans want to see that money spent on someone else who is more likely to have better fitness, keep them up and have some re-sale value.
 
So Carl Scheiber then!

That’s basically what he does, what you outlined there.

If we call him that will everyone stop suggesting this is some sort of silver bullet?

Remember that terrible season Spurs has last year -> DoF.

It’s about getting quality decision makers into the club and outing those that aren’t. Call them what you want.

I’m surprised Hoyland and Allen are both unscathed after last season’s mess.
Great.

When is Carl Scheiber getting sacked?

You can’t call out one single example of a bad DOF not working when there’s so much evidence of it working, and working well.
 
I can’t tell you something that hasn’t happened.

I can tell you who has left with one year or less left on their deal, for a far lower price. None of which we ever really replaced.

Ndiaye
Berge
Anel
Bogle
And now, Hamer.

We also let one of our most expensive signings ever, Oli McBurnie, walk away for zero.
Hamer hasn't gone yet. We made substantial money on all of them except for Berge and McBurnie. What is it that you propose the club do, to make people sign contracts, they don't want to sign?
 



I would support strictly adhering to a 2 year rule with contracts

Don't care who the player is. Nobody can be treated as irreplaceable, because none of them are

If they enter the last 2 years, don't want to renew, and have significant transfer value, then sell

The return on investment since 2019 has been disgraceful and can never happen again

Timing player sales is a crucial skill, and not all that difficult either
 

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