Green haired pram man at Blackburn game

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He’s always on the Shoreham Street, John Street corner after the match near the burger van, After the City game we should give the bloke a round of applause and chuck a couple ‘o bob in his bucket.
 
If you get Cancer, you need a bloke dressing up as a loon, pushing a pram, and rattling a tin to help you out.
That is how far we've fallen as a society

Note. I am not criticising John. I am criticising you and me for letting it get to this state.

But, Phil, there just isn't the money in the economy for Cancer Care to be funded out of taxation.

Whaaaaat. He's fucking collected the money. Of course the money is there. I'm an Old Guy, I'm vulnerable to these diseases. What do I do when there's no one to wear a wig and rattle a tin?

John should be putting his feet up, with a Hazy IPA on the go. Not trying to plug a funding gap. Cancer Care. Cancer Care. FFS. Charity is regressive. It falls disproportionately on those less able to pay it. Get it in the bin.

Too many Florence Nightingales
Not enough Robin Hoods
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
If you get Cancer, you need a bloke dressing up as a loon, pushing a pram, and rattling a tin to help you out.
That is how far we've fallen as a society

Note. I am not criticising John. I am criticising you and me for letting it get to this state.

But, Phil, there just isn't the money in the economy for Cancer Care to be funded out of taxation.

Whaaaaat. He's fucking collected the money. Of course the money is there. I'm an Old Guy, I'm vulnerable to these diseases. What do I do when there's no one to wear a wig and rattle a tin?

John should be putting his feet up, with a Hazy IPA on the go. Not trying to plug a funding gap. Cancer Care. Cancer Care. FFS. Charity is regressive. It falls disproportionately on those less able to pay it. Get it in the bin.

Too many Florence Nightingales
Not enough Robin Hoods
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He's collecting the money for MacMillan. They are are a special charity to support sufferers and families deal with shit cancers.

They are a specialist support organisation and superb at it.

Not quite sure what pseudo political point you're making, but I think you will get a few likes.
 
I should coco said:
He's collecting the money for MacMillan. They are are a special charity to support sufferers and families deal with shit cancers.

They are a specialist support organisation and superb at it.

Not quite sure what pseudo political point you're making, but I think you will get a few likes.
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I think my point is clear...
As you say, we need to support sufferers of shit cancers & their families.
As you say, we already have a specialist support organisation, who, as you say, are superb at doing that.
So, we shouldn't be relying on Charity to fund them and do that.
Because there won't always be a man with a pram to do that.
Why must we rely on Charity for this immensely important thing?
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
If you get Cancer, you need a bloke dressing up as a loon, pushing a pram, and rattling a tin to help you out.
That is how far we've fallen as a society

Note. I am not criticising John. I am criticising you and me for letting it get to this state.

But, Phil, there just isn't the money in the economy for Cancer Care to be funded out of taxation.

Whaaaaat. He's fucking collected the money. Of course the money is there. I'm an Old Guy, I'm vulnerable to these diseases. What do I do when there's no one to wear a wig and rattle a tin?

John should be putting his feet up, with a Hazy IPA on the go. Not trying to plug a funding gap. Cancer Care. Cancer Care. FFS. Charity is regressive. It falls disproportionately on those less able to pay it. Get it in the bin.

Too many Florence Nightingales
Not enough Robin Hoods
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Aye
Even more poignant (appalling) when you consider that the quoted lyric is >38 years old !
 

I should coco said:
Obviously in an ideal world, we wouldn't, but there is an element of the 'money tree' here.

How would the electorate feel about a 30% basic tax rate?
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As I've explained. The money for this important thing IS there. John has shown that. Because John HAS collected it. It's a MONEY TREE that has already been harvested. How will the Cancer Sufferers and their Families feel when John is no longer able to collect the money?
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I think my point is clear...
As you say, we need to support sufferers of shit cancers & their families.
As you say, we already have a specialist support organisation, who, as you say, are superb at doing that.
So, we shouldn't be relying on Charity to fund them and do that.
Because there won't always be a man with a pram to do that.
Why must we rely on Charity for this immensely important thing?
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I’m on board with the general sentiment re charity in this country.

Government laughing their arses off at people having to get in a bath full of baked beans to get funding for vital services while your taxes are siphoned off to the Cayman Islands and a conveyor belt of wankers appear on TV to tell us the cupboard is bare and nurses or asylum seekers are to blame.

Then you’ve got the Captain Tom circus where it turned out it was lining his daughter’s already gilded pockets.

That said John Burkhill’s story is very moving. He lost his wife and his daughter to cancer and its daughter’s pram that he pushes around. Maybe he feels the need to do it for himself as much as anything else. Either way he’s an exceptional bloke.
 
CrookesBlade said:
I’m on board with the general sentiment re charity in this country.

Government laughing their arses off at people having to get in a bath full of baked beans to get funding for vital services while your taxes are siphoned off to the Cayman Islands and a conveyor belt of wankers appear on TV to tell us the cupboard is bare.

Then you’ve got the Captain Tom circus where it turned out it was lining his daughter’s already gilded pockets.

That said John Burkhill’s story is very moving. He lost his wife and his daughter to cancer and its daughter’s pram that he pushes around. Maybe he feels the need to do it for himself as much as anything else. Either way he’s an exceptional bloke.
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I agree. But, I have a different take.

The money John collects as a exceptional bloke should be used ABOVE AND BEYOND the normal expectations that society and taxation should pay for.

Society and taxation should pay for your/our care. But, you can't expect society and taxation to pay for things above and beyond that. You couldn't, for example, expect tax pounds to be spent on taking Cancer sufferers to United home games, transport, place in a box, food and drink, etc.

But, that "gap" can be filled by charity. That would be fantastic. Your health and care needs taken care of by society (why is that remotely controversial?). And your lovely treats, to help you live the life society has provided, a few games at The Lane, etc, provided by Charity via John's daughter's pram.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
If you get Cancer, you need a bloke dressing up as a loon, pushing a pram, and rattling a tin to help you out.
That is how far we've fallen as a society

Note. I am not criticising John. I am criticising you and me for letting it get to this state.

But, Phil, there just isn't the money in the economy for Cancer Care to be funded out of taxation.

Whaaaaat. He's fucking collected the money. Of course the money is there. I'm an Old Guy, I'm vulnerable to these diseases. What do I do when there's no one to wear a wig and rattle a tin?

John should be putting his feet up, with a Hazy IPA on the go. Not trying to plug a funding gap. Cancer Care. Cancer Care. FFS. Charity is regressive. It falls disproportionately on those less able to pay it. Get it in the bin.

Too many Florence Nightingales
Not enough Robin Hoods
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Brilliantly put Phil
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I think my point is clear...
As you say, we need to support sufferers of shit cancers & their families.
As you say, we already have a specialist support organisation, who, as you say, are superb at doing that.
So, we shouldn't be relying on Charity to fund them and do that.
Because there won't always be a man with a pram to do that.
Why must we rely on Charity for this immensely important thing?
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I agree we shouldn't but until them cunts in the elite club start distributing wealth fairly and prioritize the value of each of us doing our best to preserve compassion and humility,what do we do?
I think it's appalling that so many charities pick up the pieces and you're right,we the voting public are responsible for banging the drum.
But I'm not here for political debate.
Let's hope John's cause engenders more collective action and a greater desire for us to collaborate as fans of a football club in making better choices.
Out of 30,000 folk I'd be hopeful many might be inspired too.🙏👍.
 
blackydog said:
Just to be aware, John Burkhill with the green wig and the pram, who stands outside the church on matchdays collecting for charity is 80 next week.
Might be nice to wish him a happy birthday and all the best on the way to the match. I'm sure he'd appreciate a few bob in his bucket too.
ps I know it's a bit tentative for General Blades chat, hope i can be forgiven on this occasion. :)
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Can he play at left wingback?
 
Yoonited said:
I agree we shouldn't but until them cunts in the elite club start distributing wealth fairly and prioritize the value of each of us doing our best to preserve compassion and humility,what do we do?
I think it's appalling that so many charities pick up the pieces and you're right,we the voting public are responsible for banging the drum.
But I'm not here for political debate.
Let's hope John's cause engenders more collective action and a greater desire for us to collaborate as fans of a football club in making better choices.
Out of 30,000 folk I'd be hopeful many might be inspired too.🙏👍.
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We're doing this to ourselves. We're obsessed with "how much". And we don't give two fucks about "what for".

Cancer Care. Man in a wig. Pushing a pram. Rattling a tin. For Cancer Care this...

Salute to him, because the rest of us are too busy complaining - "how much?"
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
We're doing this to ourselves. We're obsessed with "how much". And we don't give two fucks about "what for".

Cancer Care. Man in a wig. Pushing a pram. Rattling a tin. For Cancer Care this...

Salute to him, because the rest of us are too busy complaining - "how much?"
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Not me mate.Different mentality.I think not living in Sheffield helps so I don't get bombarded by narrowminded views.
Costs nothing to collectively voice more positive and impactful choices.
Money means diddly to me.People are what matters.🙏👍
 
I should coco said:
Obviously in an ideal world, we wouldn't, but there is an element of the 'money tree' here.

How would the electorate feel about a 30% basic tax rate?
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If we need to raise money for Society to pay for Cancer Care, so that we have a constant, reliable and secure source of revenue. So, that we don't have to rely on volatile, here today, gone tomorrow, fluctuating revenue from charity. Then, there are a number of options via taxation, in addition to raising the basic tax rate (the one you mention).
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
If you get Cancer, you need a bloke dressing up as a loon, pushing a pram, and rattling a tin to help you out.
That is how far we've fallen as a society

Note. I am not criticising John. I am criticising you and me for letting it get to this state.

But, Phil, there just isn't the money in the economy for Cancer Care to be funded out of taxation.

Whaaaaat. He's fucking collected the money. Of course the money is there. I'm an Old Guy, I'm vulnerable to these diseases. What do I do when there's no one to wear a wig and rattle a tin?

John should be putting his feet up, with a Hazy IPA on the go. Not trying to plug a funding gap. Cancer Care. Cancer Care. FFS. Charity is regressive. It falls disproportionately on those less able to pay it. Get it in the bin.

Too many Florence Nightingales
Not enough Robin Hoods
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Britain has currently 177 billionaires. Most of them being multi billionaires.
What are they doing with all that wealth? Just how much do they need!
If they were each to be taxed just ONE of the billions that they have, that would give the UK £177 billion to spend on things like cancer care. None of them would miss that amount of wealth.
Just saying.
 

Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
If you get Cancer, you need a bloke dressing up as a loon, pushing a pram, and rattling a tin to help you out.
That is how far we've fallen as a society

Note. I am not criticising John. I am criticising you and me for letting it get to this state.

But, Phil, there just isn't the money in the economy for Cancer Care to be funded out of taxation.

Whaaaaat. He's fucking collected the money. Of course the money is there. I'm an Old Guy, I'm vulnerable to these diseases. What do I do when there's no one to wear a wig and rattle a tin?

John should be putting his feet up, with a Hazy IPA on the go. Not trying to plug a funding gap. Cancer Care. Cancer Care. FFS. Charity is regressive. It falls disproportionately on those less able to pay it. Get it in the bin.

Too many Florence Nightingales
Not enough Robin Hoods
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Totally agree with the sentiment of your post ,still can't help putting in his bucket .
Top fella is John ,maybe the real ale shop on the corner of Shoreham street takes him a IPA out next home game .🍺
 
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