Good Business

[Highbury_Blade]

That is very true.

Your original post didn't mention anything about price, merely hinted that we shouldn't have sold our young players. I suppose you'd have been happy to let them see out their contracts here, and go for nothing?

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By being successful? By being a team that was challenging for promotion and therefore with serious aspirations accessing the higher revenues available in the Premiership? I'm not trying to be simplistic but the 'good business' argument for me just seems to be smoke and mirrors in United's case. We have been sold that line too many times for me to equate it with anything other than the wretched disintegration of this club. Selling quality and buying crap isn't good business. McCabe's "trust me, I'm a successful businessman" line appears to have blown up in everyone's faces. Then, as now, there seems to be no plan, no direction, no communication and very little hope.

The paarchute money had just run out. Money was needed to balance the books.

 

[BaldeRunner]

That is very true.

Your original post didn't mention anything about price, merely hinted that we shouldn't have sold our young players. I suppose you'd have been happy to let them see out their contracts here, and go for nothing?

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The paarchute money had just run out. Money was needed to balance the books.

I accept that. I reckon there are too many imponderables to actually make an accurate assessment. If we had held on to BT would we have gone back up? If we had held onto the the two Kyles and made a decent promotion challenge would our books be better balanced than they will be next year as our fan base begins to disappear? I'm so pissed off with United at the moment it just seems that whatever decision McCabe makes doing precisely the opposite is usually a better option

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I accept that. I reckon there are too many imponderables to actually make an accurate assessment. If we had held on to BT would we have gone back up? If we had held onto the the two Kyles and made a decent promotion challenge would our books be better balanced than they will be next year as our fan base begins to disappear? I'm so pissed off with United at the moment it just seems that whatever decision McCabe makes doing precisely the opposite is usually a better option

If we would have gone up, via the playoffs, then i think it's highly likely that we would have kept hold of at least one of them, but we didn't so the only realistic course of action was to raise some money through selling players (given that McCabe didn't want to put more money in).

The only annoying thing for me is that we sold walker for 3m and then spent it all on Ched.

 

[BaldeRunner]

If we would have gone up, via the playoffs, then i think it's highly likely that we would have kept hold of at least one of them, but we didn't so the only realistic course of action was to raise some money through selling players (given that McCabe didn't want to put more money in).

The only annoying thing for me is that we sold walker for 3m and then spent it all on Ched.

I agree and once again we come back to the cataclysmically stupid appointment of Robson who would have struggled to keep Barcelona from relegation in that division. Ah well, it's a lovely day think I'll go in the garden and wait for the sound of opening trapdoors...

 

[shorehamview]

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Read what I wrote Shoreham.
I didn't say I didn't know, I said there were probably other people better placed to confirm how highly he was thought of.

......the club already knew was an even better prospect.....

There you go lenners. That's what you wrote - remember? You wrote that the club knew he was a better prospect. I'm just wondering where you get this from.

I agree that the sale was bad. I just wonder how you can tell us that the club "knew" he was a better prospect, given that you never communicate directly with them.

prospect
n [ˈprɒspɛkt]
1. (sometimes plural) a probability or chance for future success, esp as based on present work or aptitude

A probability or chance - not exactly concrete evidence. I'm not arguing that the sale was good, merely that your choice of words could be better. Again.

 

[lenners]

And again Shoreham, I can only say I didn't say I didn't know but that others might be in a better position to confirm.
Wouldn't surprise me if Flatulent Bob might be clued up on this one.

 

[Barney Rubble]

The paarchute money had just run out. Money was needed to balance the books.

But did we though?

We'd sold BT for £4m in the previous transfer window, agreed a £25m compo package with West Ham and banked 100% of the gate receipts from the playoff final.

On top of that McCabe's claim that we didn't need to sell our young players weeks before they were sold marked the point when I lost all faith and respect for him.

 

[lenners]

That is very true.

Your original post didn't mention anything about price, merely hinted that we shouldn't have sold our young players. I suppose you'd have been happy to let them see out their contracts here, and go for nothing?

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The paarchute money had just run out. Money was needed to balance the books.

Why would not selling them in the manner we did, particularly Walker, mean we would not ever sell or would run their contracts down - and that's without taking into account they would both have been under 24 in any case.
The amount we got for Walker in particular was peanuts in terms of balancing any books.
It was just short-term stupidity and another one of those lack of footballing logic decisions by McCabe which has so badly damaged the club in the last two years.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

But did we though?

We'd sold BT for £4m in the previous transfer window, agreed a £25m compo package with West Ham and banked 100% of the gate receipts from the playoff final.

On top of that McCabe's claim that we didn't need to sell our young players weeks before they were sold marked the point when I lost all faith and respect for him.

We got 2.5m for Beattie, which may or may not have risen to 3m.

As regards the compo package, very little of that was cash in the bank, which at that time might have been pretty important in regards to cash flow.

 

[grafikhaus]

Cardiff were almost in receivership apparently but where are they now because they showed some imagination.....3rd in the league.

And there is the nub. Cardiff lost to Blackpool in the playoff final. Unlike us, they didn't 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' and look at them/us now.

We really can go round the houses all day on this. I sit with a bloke who claims Warnock was 'the worst manager we've ever had'. When I pointed out on Saturday that QPR were 20th when NW arrived at Rangers, he replied 'Luck'.

Anybody who saw Walker at Wembley knew he was the real deal. Anybody who has watched United for a few years knows Adams is hopelessly out of his depth. And anybody who knows about business knows that McCabe was in the right place at the right time and now hasn't got a clue what he's doing.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Cardiff had very heavy investment last summer. If they don't go up this year then we'll see what might happen.

 

[Coily]

Cardiff had very heavy investment last summer. If they don't go up this year then we'll see what might happen.

Agreed. Cardiff's need to be promoted this season can't be under played, they've gone for it big style and the only way it will pay out is if they reach the Prem. There are other examples of clubs in precarious positions, such as Watford who have needed a c.£5m cash injection just so they can complete the season. Expect sales from there this summer.

We "went for it", but in the most cack handed, clueless way possible and we'll most likely have confirmed today where that has led us.