GoalWatch (our defending) vs Leicester

[Bergen Blade]

Not too much to say about this one. Very simple free kick move, ball is rolled sideways to shooter who goes for power, hits a teammate, wrongfoots Bunn and goes in.

Freak goal imho, most often those shots are blocked.

We are still to concede from open play after three league games, which is a very good start.

 

[SwissBlade]

It was open play really, did it hit Fryatt or did he guide it in?

 

[MAQ]

definately hit him

 

[SwissBlade]

definately hit him

Either way it was a poor goal to concede and what was defender doing letting him get in front of him.

 

[MAQ]

Either way it was a poor goal to concede and what was defender doing letting him get in front of him.

it was very poor defending. If you can see some highlights watch walker behind the wall, he's pretty much trying to mark 2 players at once. Now he's good but not that good.

He was trying to get someone to come and help but for some reason noone did

 

[Beighton_Blade]

Bit harsh there Swiss imo - as Bergs says it was a pretty freakish goal, and 9 times out of 10 the free-kick would have been easily defended.

Unfortunately, on this occassion it took a wicked deflection of Fryatt and competely moved the balls direction, leaving Bunn helpless. Neither was it really any of the defenders' fault as Morgs (I believe) was behind Fryatt in the customary defensive position.

Just one of those times when you have to accept the goal and hope for a reply, which, thankfully, came soon after!

UTB!

 

[Bergen Blade]

Think it was Walker who marked Fryatt. He should be positioned between their player and our goal, and may have been a little sloppy in not getting a challenge in.

It's still defined as a set piece goal even though the shot hit another player.

 

[Trevor Hockey]

If you watch before the ball is rolled to the side Quinny is off the edge of our wall ready to close down the shot but is being blocked by a Leicester player. When he gets round him and tries to block its just too late to properly block. I'm not blaming Quinny he forced his way round their player and would probably have got a free kick himself if he'd gone down.

 

[SwissBlade]

Bit harsh there Swiss imo - as Bergs says it was a pretty freakish goal, and 9 times out of 10 the free-kick would have been easily defended.

Unfortunately, on this occassion it took a wicked deflection of Fryatt and competely moved the balls direction, leaving Bunn helpless. Neither was it really any of the defenders' fault as Morgs (I believe) was behind Fryatt in the customary defensive position.

Just one of those times when you have to accept the goal and hope for a reply, which, thankfully, came soon after!

UTB!

Perhaps i'm being overly harsh and it was a bit freakish, but it was a situation where we should've been alert.

A strikers job is to get in front of his marker. Fryatt did that. The defender was Walker and he was behind Fryatt, just a shame that his opinion of behind was NOT goal side... if he was goal side he'd have probably got a touch, but scored an OG as Bunn was committed to diving to the other side!

 

[Beighton_Blade]

Whoever it was, i'm pretty sure (although i've only watched the quick higlights clip once so may well be wrong), that the united defender was following Fryatt, and indeed was between him and the goal, 'goalside' as he should be, unfortunately as he was tracking Fryatt in the same direction as he was running (to the left of goal) when the connection was made he was on the 'wrong' side of him - can hardly have predicted a deflection that way I would think, and if anything has to be prepared for Fryatt continuing his run in his current path.

For me, just a freakish goal with a huge slice of luck Leicesters' way - maybe a hint we should have a man running towards the taker quicker but very harsh to pinpoint much blame to the defenders, again all imho!

UTB!

 

[Bladesman]

Had it not taken a deflection Bunn would of had it saved.

Freak goal still abit annoying the shot wasnt blocked better but we get those sort of goals aswell.

 

[Foxy]

it was very poor defending. If you can see some highlights watch walker behind the wall, he's pretty much trying to mark 2 players at once. Now he's good but not that good.

Jamie Ward was originally marking the other man, as loads around us were absolutely slating him for coming back instead of standing up front.

Morgs was also behind the wall, a bit higher up the pitch.

It's probably a bit harsh to say we could have done any better with it, it's very difficult to defend a shot that is struck with power, evades the wall and then bounces off someone in the box.

 

[Beighton_Blade]

Perhaps i'm being overly harsh and it was a bit freakish, but it was a situation where we should've been alert.

A strikers job is to get in front of his marker. Fryatt did that. The defender was Walker and he was behind Fryatt, just a shame that his opinion of behind was NOT goal side... if he was goal side he'd have probably got a touch, but scored an OG as Bunn was committed to diving to the other side!

Fair enough, sounds like you've seen the replays more than I have, so i'll accept your version is probably more accurate, as i said before i think if anything we should've tried to throw more bodies infront of the taker as we do (and indeed most teams do) most of the time - if Quinn did try and was fouled then it just shows how we did little wrong but circumatnces went against us.

Either way, thankfully we responded well, when prior to this I had feared we never looked like scoring all night, then BANG...Treacey comes up with that, and in the end we almost nicked what would've been a very unlikely 3 pts at half time and then at 1-0 down!

UTB!

 

[SwissBlade]

For me, just a freakish goal with a huge slice of luck Leicesters' way - maybe a hint we should have a man running towards the taker quicker but very harsh to pinpoint much blame to the defenders, again all imho!

UTB!

I think its perfectly reasonable as it wasn't like the defenders were overrun on the counter attack for example. It came from a set piece.

They'll have all know where they should've been. They'll all have known who they should be marking and you expect a striker to make a run so you stay close and goal side.

Deflection or not, Fryatt/ Walker both had the same chance to get to it, but we should've done better.

As Bergen reckons its still a set piece then its more of a reason to get tighter.

Giving a sloppy goal away cost us a win, just like it did last week v Port Vale.

 

[Vistoma]

Having seen the first few games I don't think defending will be a problem, as long as Killa stays and we don't get any injuries to him or Morgs. I think the problem will be goals AGAIN and our seeming inability to breakdown teams, the majority of whom will come to the Lane to defend.

New saying on the badge "its long ball or no ball"

 

[Willie Carlin]

If you watch the vidio of the goal closely you will see that Kyle Walker was the United player that played the Leicester forward onside when he got his deflection.

 

[Micalijo]

For what it's worth, I've seen it a few times and think Fryatt meant it - some kind of flick with right foot behind and then through his legs. Walker couldn't have got closer and no idea how it went through him as well

 

[DuncDisorderly]

watch walker behind the wall, he's pretty much trying to mark 2 players at once. Now he's good but not that good.

He was trying to get someone to come and help but for some reason noone did

From our seats in the Library, I can tell you that Walker definately had two Leicester players to mark, but Jamie Ward came back to cover one.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Wow, expected this one to drop out of page one in a few minutes. Nice to read other's opinions.

When analysing conceded goals I'm generally more keen on spotting where our defensive organisation needs to improve, i.e. what our management can do about it.

For set piece goals the blame is often a second's lack of concentration/focus, and may not be easy for managers to do much about, apart from dropping players who make mistakes repetedly.

If the fault is "player A should've got tighter" or "player B slid and lost his man" - these things happen occasionally even if we do our training ground stuff - and I'm not always too bothered about it.

If we line up wrong for a set piece, or if our team lacks height (if for example Ward is left having to deal with a six footer), I'll be more critical of our management - and more bothered with the situation.

 

[Bergen Blade]

PS!

Are we allowed to post screenshots of match action?

 

[cooperblade]

From our seats in the Library, I can tell you that Walker definately had two Leicester players to mark, but Jamie Ward came back to cover one.

Was it that particular free-kick when we ended up with 11 players behind the ball?

The noise of the ball hitting Fryatt was very clear. Like an edge in cricket. Can't decide if that means it's more or less likely that he meant to flick it. I think probably not, an intended flick should have been more cushioned and therefore quieter.

Even Bergen must be getting bored with the level of detail now

 

[Bergen Blade]

True! I almost left it at "Deflected free kick. Bad luck."!