Goalkeepers and time wasting

[Yewsman]

The match tonight saw the Walsall goalkeeper do what every keeper seems to do now and waste as much time as he can when taking goal kicks if his team is hanging on. The Bury game was the same. Frankly he made a monkey of the referee who allowed him to get away with it. Only once did the ref warn him but then did nothing when he carried on in exactly the same way. Furthermore why do referees not enforce Law 12 which prohibits goalkeepers from holding the ball for more than 6 seconds? It seems to be officially ignored by everyone. If it is not being enforced for some good reason then it should be altered/abolished. Whilst the law remains and it is quite clear that the keeper is very deliberately holding on to waste time surely the ref should at least warn him and then award an indirect free kick if he breaks the law again.

 

[Ricky]

It seems they can do whatever they want as long as they bounce the ball in between.

That rule needs redefining and clarifying.

 

[Groucho Blade]

The rule change that allowed keepers to take a goal kick from either side needs to be looked at again. It was brought in to speed up the game, letting goalies take goal kicks quickly from wherever they got the ball. Now every goalie uses the rule to slow down the game; wasting time by taking the goalkick from the furthest point they can. Should we go back to taking goalkicks from the side the ball went out?

 

[Billyblade]

I think we should go back to putting shit teams to bed early doors so its irrelevant what opposition keepers do.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Good job our keeper doesn't employ such tactics when we are winning. Part of game, no use whinging when opposition do it.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Good job our keeper doesn't employ such tactics when we are winning. Part of game, no use whinging when opposition do it.

It doesn't count when we do it. Only when they do it. And it counts more when they do it if we end up losing the game.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Why are defenders allowed to block and obstruct attackers and let the ball run out of play on their goal line yet it's obstruction anywhere else on the pitch?

Back to the original question, they seem to justify it by allowing 5 or 6 minutes at the end by which time it's too late.

I think the 4th official needs to have more power, they are supposed to be there to help but as far as I can see, seem to have little impact on the game. They keep debating video evidence which is another can of worms but again, it would take the time the players are arguing about it to sort out.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Most games it's the team who are pressing that suffers from time wasting it has gone on since organised sport was born, how do you stop it?. There has been many rule changers to stop it, the laws are there its up to the ref to enforce them. Etheric was quite cute the way he did it,he had the ref in hos pocket.
the latest ploy which has crept into rhe game is! the goalie falls down when collecting a cross ( ours does it as well) how do you stop that no law
to fit it!! refs know it's happening but powerless to stop it as the rules stand. that for me is very frustrating

 

[1889Paul]

There's a lot of lax rules around the game that aren't enforced. The number of foul throws allowed at adult level that would be pulled up at youth team level is ridiculous.
Goalkeepers kicking the ball 3 or 4 yards outside their box. Throw ins and free kicks from the wrong place..
Most of these are mainly the jobs of the Linesman but they seem to struggle with the basics these days

 

[finlaytheblade]

Most games it's the team who are pressing that suffers from time wasting it has gone on since organised sport was born, how do you stop it?. There has been many rule changers to stop it, the laws are there its up to the ref to enforce them. Etheric was quite cute the way he did it,he had the ref in hos pocket.
the latest ploy which has crept into rhe game is! the goalie falls down when collecting a cross ( ours does it as well) how do you stop that no law
to fit it!! refs know it's happening but powerless to stop it as the rules stand. that for me is very frustrating

Sorry etheric should be Etheridge goalie!!

 

[Trigger Blade]

The match tonight saw the Walsall goalkeeper do what every keeper seems to do now and waste as much time as he can when taking goal kicks if his team is hanging on. The Bury game was the same. Frankly he made a monkey of the referee who allowed him to get away with it. Only once did the ref warn him but then did nothing when he carried on in exactly the same way. Furthermore why do referees not enforce Law 12 which prohibits goalkeepers from holding the ball for more than 6 seconds? It seems to be officially ignored by everyone. If it is not being enforced for some good reason then it should be altered/abolished. Whilst the law remains and it is quite clear that the keeper is very deliberately holding on to waste time surely the ref should at least warn him and then award an indirect free kick if he breaks the law again.

At one stage, the ref pointed theatrically at his wrist and made a big gesture indicating that the time wasting would no longer be tolerated and the keeper continued, like the pantomime villain with the ref as the dame.

We timed one incidence of the keeper keeping hold of the ball and it was 14 seconds. Walsall ended up with 40% possession and most of that was while the Etheridge had the ball.....

 

[BushBlade]

At one stage, the ref pointed theatrically at his wrist and made a big gesture indicating that he was a Dingle wanker...

 

[Yewsman]

Why are defenders allowed to block and obstruct attackers and let the ball run out of play on their goal line yet it's obstruction anywhere else on the pitch?

Back to the original question, they seem to justify it by allowing 5 or 6 minutes at the end by which time it's too late.

I think the 4th official needs to have more power, they are supposed to be there to help but as far as I can see, seem to have little impact on the game. They keep debating video evidence which is another can of worms but again, it would take the time the players are arguing about it to sort out.

Yes the defenders blocking the attacker from getting the ball even though the defender has clearly no intention of playing the ball is not good for the game. I am not sure what the rule is on that. Anyone know?

I am not sure that the 4th official does add on for time wasting. I think he simply adds on for injuries, substitutions and other stoppages. Again I suspect that this is another situation where nobody knows what is really going on. Furthermore if one team has been time wasting for most of the match but then by the end is losing should there be time added on so they have longer to try and equalise?

 

[FreePaulRodgers]

The ref was an absolute clueless prick.Last Tuesday's ref gave Bury's keeper a booking therefore stopping him from further timewasting.Walsalls keeper should've gone in the book well before the ref blew up and pointed to his watch-delaying a goal kick even longer.

 

[Trigger Blade]

The ref was an absolute clueless prick.Last Tuesday's ref gave Bury's keeper a booking therefore stopping him from further timewasting.Walsalls keeper should've gone in the book well before the ref blew up and pointed to his watch-delaying a goal kick even longer.

Yes, we appreciated the irony of that little cameo

 

[Baaaaaaa Blades]

also the substitution delays are a massive time waster , waiting for the idiot 4th official to get his board up and change the numbers etc , when they did 2 last night it seemed to take ages - and in the mean time Bash had alreadycome off and had prob been sat on the bench for a good while by the time Chapman was allowed on ,

what the hell is wrong with the old fashioned number boards !! took no time at all
-used to love the scores changing as well at the bramall lane end for game A, B, C etc , always a cheer when the snorters one was changed for the good !

 

[BushBlade]

also the substitution delays are a massive time waster , waiting for the idiot 4th official to get his board up and change the numbers etc , when they did 2 last night it seemed to take ages - and in the mean time Bash had alreadycome off and had prob been sat on the bench for a good while by the time Chapman was allowed on ,

what the hell is wrong with the old fashioned number boards !! took no time at all
-used to love the scores changing as well at the bramall lane end for game A, B, C etc , always a cheer when the snorters one was changed for the good !

It really shouldn't take that long with the new boards. How hard is it to type a number? If someone can't manage to do that how can they be a fourth official? Some things I understand, we're not perfect, things can be difficult and sometimes we get it wrong but it's just a digital board; type the numbers in and hold it up.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Good job our keeper doesn't employ such tactics when we are winning. Part of game, no use whinging when opposition do it.

Disagree. It's a breach of the rules and it's the referee's job to punish it. All players will try it on but refs have to apply the law. Normally, when a team comes to the lane and timewastes like that they end up with 4 or 5 yellows through the team and will often end up totting up to get someone sent off like Bury or MK Dons a couple of years ago.

The fact that the referee went the entire game without booking anyone for timewasting last night was nothing short of a disgrace. Their 'keeper was at it from the beginning taking an age over every single goal kick even at 0-0

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Change the game time to 40 minutes each way.
That's 40 minutes of ball in play time.
(But please don't have one of them big daft clocks that count down so everyone else joins in. Leave that to the Yanks)
Keep it a secret that only the officials know and bingo, end of goalkeeper/throw-in taker/not-really-injured-player/substitution type timewasting

 

[Paulus]

also the substitution delays are a massive time waster , waiting for the idiot 4th official to get his board up and change the numbers etc , when they did 2 last night it seemed to take ages - and in the mean time Bash had alreadycome off and had prob been sat on the bench for a good while by the time Chapman was allowed on ,

Agreed - tbh I have no idea why the game has to be stopped at all for a substitution. The 4th officials board should be permanently displayed on a stand; if the manager wants to make a substitution he tells the fourth official who marks it up as usual and checks the oncoming player kit and it's then up to the player on the pitch to get over to dug out area - the new player goes on when he crosses the line. IT's not beyond the wit of ice hockey teams to make complete line changes during play why the hell can't footballers make 1 sub?

 

[JohnDenver]

also the substitution delays are a massive time waster , waiting for the idiot 4th official to get his board up and change the numbers etc , when they did 2 last night it seemed to take ages - and in the mean time Bash had alreadycome off and had prob been sat on the bench for a good while by the time Chapman was allowed on ,

what the hell is wrong with the old fashioned number boards !! took no time at all
-used to love the scores changing as well at the bramall lane end for game A, B, C etc , always a cheer when the snorters one was changed for the good !

Doesn't a player have to have the ref's permission to leave the pitch? Basham just wandered off for a sit down.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Disagree. It's a breach of the rules and it's the referee's job to punish it. All players will try it on but refs have to apply the law. Normally, when a team comes to the lane and timewastes like that they end up with 4 or 5 yellows through the team and will often end up totting up to get someone sent off like Bury or MK Dons a couple of years ago.

The fact that the referee went the entire game without booking anyone for timewasting last night was nothing short of a disgrace. Their 'keeper was at it from the beginning taking an age over every single goal kick even at 0-0

Trouble is Dane, the ref yellow card keepers, who then ignore it and continue to waste time. Has a ref ever issued a second yellow for such breaches ?, probably not> do they add time on for it, again probably not.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Trouble is Dane, the ref yellow card keepers, who then ignore it and continue to waste time. Has a ref ever issued a second yellow for such breaches ?, probably not> do they add time on for it, again probably not.

But is there any reason they shouldn't issue that 2nd yellow? Not as far as I'm concerned. If they started doing it, they could stamp out timewasting relatively easily. As it stands, if he at least issues the first yellow, the 'keepers tend not to take the piss quite so much knowing there's a chance they could be sent off.

 

[Jehovah]

Why are defenders allowed to block and obstruct attackers and let the ball run out of play on their goal line yet it's obstruction anywhere else on the pitch?

Back to the original question, they seem to justify it by allowing 5 or 6 minutes at the end by which time it's too late.

I think the 4th official needs to have more power, they are supposed to be there to help but as far as I can see, seem to have little impact on the game. They keep debating video evidence which is another can of worms but again, it would take the time the players are arguing about it to sort out.

As a striker I despise that. They can make you eat their back but if you so much as breathe on them trying to get the ball its a foul.