Get him fit through playing

[Frank the tank]

Yet another 'player has a decent 45 minutes so is now a world-beater' thread.

Remember when Mousset was the guy to save us?

Even the 'terrible' Jack Robinson is now good enough for this league after one good game.

Berge is a quality player but needs to be handled carefully. He's had two bad injuries since he signed and needs to be slowly reintroduced.

We certainly shouldn't be changing a winning team to rush him back.

Jack Robinson has played nearly all his career at this level and i dont think has ever dropped below it

 

[guancheblade]

It's clear he has ability. He took the ball forwards into the opposition half yesterday twice but taking the first time as a case in point, he stopped and turned and went backwards. This is with the Fulham players clearly going 'oh shit, I'd best stick a challenge in here' which is great, because he has the deftness to skip past that, Currie-style. Sander needs to make the most of these situations and opportunities to leave the opposition in his trail and push on toward goal. opening the advantage out further. Again, like N'daiye, he is in the shop window and has to show PL teams the abilities he has. Stopping the momentum and passing backwards isn't the way.

pommpey

Or write a detailed paragraph about his other venture forward where he glided past 3-4 Fulham players and delivered a sublime chip pass (the only player we have who could have executed that) to Bogle who should have passed to Ndiaye to send us 2 up.

 

[guancheblade]

Yet another 'player has a decent 45 minutes so is now a world-beater' thread.

Remember when Mousset was the guy to save us?

Even the 'terrible' Jack Robinson is now good enough for this league after one good game.

Berge is a quality player but needs to be handled carefully. He's had two bad injuries since he signed and needs to be slowly reintroduced.

We certainly shouldn't be changing a winning team to rush him back.

Wasn't he part of the winning team the other night?

 

[Bell4]

Our form dropped when he was wedged into the team. I can’t guarantee that was because of him - but it very clearly did, and he very clearly didn’t perform so cause and effect look very correlated to me - hence him being dropped soon after.

I’m happy to see him as part of the squad. I’m happy to see him getting game time. I’ll be really happy when he proves that the odd glimpse of class can be turned into constant performance and results on the pitch.

My position is perfectly reasonable. Guaranteeing him a start to gain fitness, dropping players from a winning team as some are arguing, is really schoolyard nonsense.

Hecky

Nar then Sander - when thy has the ball run at opposition - look for the pass forward if on, or carry on if not, they'll either pull thi darn or thall loyse it - if tha loyses it it dunt marrer. Do this a lot more than thy as been doin and stop gewin backers. Does tha get it ...do this mower and stop dewin backers stuff.

In fact Sander , were gunner set up in trainin a schedule to practice this , thee, Didz and MGW in particular. Were gunne set it up so its reyt intense wi defenders and middis crowding thi art and closing this darn - but dont gu backerds`

Funny thing this coaching in training - stop doing this because - do this more because - and set up the scenario to practice.

Sorry for my schoolyard nonsense

 

[Bell4]

I witnessed him getting a strong tackle against Birmingham then not wanting to know after that, he looked like he wanted to cry, don't think he's cut out for the Championship too physical for him

I saw that too to be fair - think it was after the fourth or fifth attempt to rugby tackle him he looked pissed off

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

Berge ain't worth it ... cut our losses in Jan for me. MGW, Ndiyi and Diddsy all better options and all do it a lot more regularly than Berge

 

[Eyeball]

I witnessed him getting a strong tackle against Birmingham then not wanting to know after that, he looked like he wanted to cry, don't think he's cut out for the Championship too physical for him

Just the one eh??
They kicked him all over the park and got away with it!!!!

 

[alcoblade]

Hecky

Nar then Sander - when thy has the ball run at opposition - look for the pass forward if on, or carry on if not, they'll either pull thi darn or thall loyse it - if tha loyses it it dunt marrer. Do this a lot more than thy as been doin and stop gewin backers. Does tha get it ...do this mower and stop dewin backers stuff.

In fact Sander , were gunner set up in trainin a schedule to practice this , thee, Didz and MGW in particular. Were gunne set it up so its reyt intense wi defenders and middis crowding thi art and closing this darn - but dont gu backerds`

Funny thing this coaching in training - stop doing this because - do this more because - and set up the scenario to practice.

Sorry for my schoolyard nonsense

Sorry fella, but I barely understand word of that?

 

[alcoblade]

He was one of our better players last season, before he got injured.?

That's debatable, but either way do you think he's absolute class and deserves a guaranteed starting place at someone else's expense?

 

[Bell4]

Sorry fella, but I barely understand word of that?

Me neither

Merry Xmas

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

Despite what many posters on ths forum have stated on numerous occasions, it's clear we do not have a squad full of deadbeats on our hands and in need of a total clearout. Trusting the opinions of many experts on here is like trusting Boris effing Johnson to get anything right. Slav was the main problem, and not many trusted the owners of the club to get that right either.

As for me, I'm gonna trust Hecky & Co to make the right calls (generally) and select players based on all the various "known knowns, known unknowns and unknown knowns" plus any other rampant variables associated with the intricasies of Association Football.

As for Sander Berge, he'll be fine if he also puts his trust in Hecky & Co.

 

[S64 Blade]

That's debatable, but either way do you think he's absolute class and deserves a guaranteed starting place at someone else's expense?

No, I said this in my first response.

 

[Mad Mick]

When Berger is in full flow, he does remind me of Tony Currie. TC used to effortlessly glide past players. I'm not saying Berger is the new messiah, but he certainly at times has class.

 

[Yewsman]

I dont think Hecky should change the team just to get Berge in. However I thought against Fulham he looked as good as I've seen him and seemed to fit into the team. When he first arrived and indeed every other time hes played I felt he didn't "fit" and didnt seem to know what his role was.
There is no doubt that we will get injuries and suspensions and need to rotate players. MGW was injured at Fulham and may not be fit for next game so Sande may need to step up then. I am sure under Hecky and co he will be given and will perform a role and eventually will become an automatic selection on merit. Hope he stays fit and that I'm right!

 

[robbiez666]

Jack Robinson has played nearly all his career at this level and i dont think has ever dropped below it

I believe you're correct.

He showed in the EPL he could come in and do a decent job sometimes. The problem he seems to have, from how he's played for us, is fitness. When he's required to play 2 games per week he gets shit. I think that's both physical and mental. He gets tired and loses concentration.

So, he's fine as cover in a position which is very trick to fill.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Berge ain't worth it ... cut our losses in Jan for me. MGW, Ndiyi and Diddsy all better options and all do it a lot more regularly than Berge

We gonna play didzy in centre mid then

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I witnessed him getting a strong tackle against Birmingham then not wanting to know after that, he looked like he wanted to cry, don't think he's cut out for the Championship too physical for him

Sober up

 

[alcoblade]

When Berger is in full flow, he does remind me of Tony Currie. TC used to effortlessly glide past players. I'm not saying Berger is the new messiah, but he certainly at times has class.

I'd agree with this. The issue is really about how often he demonstrates that, and if it's possible to really turn up that dial. We all hope so.

 

[Charlieblade]

The January transfer window will tell us a lot about the Prince, and also about the reasoning behind the new manager getting a long term contract.
Berge, wittingly or not, may have a part to play in this.
If the Prince directs the chairman and the board to accept a low ball offer for Berge, then it’s clear his attitude to ownership has changed. Can’t fault him for the way he handled the Ramsdale move.
If MGW is recalled by Wolves at the same time, and the Prince accepts a low offer for Berge in January, the Prince has definitely been turned.

Fast forward to next summer, and if MGW does go back and Berge plays to his potential, Berge’s value will have increased exponentially.
Hecky has to deal with all this BS and manage a side missing MGW, and with Berge sold?

The JTW could leave Hecky having to rely on youth, or he gets a reprieve until summer when the loans go back, and his best players are sold or aging?

Maybe I’m just a pessimist, but I hope Hecky gets a chance with the current squad who are starting to live up to their potential.

 

[Grecian2000]

Judging by the managers comments after the game, the coming weeks will give "everyone" a chance with the congested fixture list.
If Berge gets his chance then it is up to him to snatch it and prove, beyond doubt. he's worth starting as a regular. If he fails to grab the opportunity to make himself "un-droppable" then he's a gonner by Feb or in the Summer.

I can see the potential but I can't see he's made any sort of case to be the main man.