George Long

[Blade nath]

Will be gone by January if he contiously plays this well. I hate to say it but a bigger club will come along and snap him up, and typically we will sell him for a fraction of what he'll be worth in a few years time.

 

[Kenilworth]

Keyboard sticking Nath?

Should be careful what you watch when the coast is clear, eh?

 

[Maidenhead]

Will be gone by January if he contiously plays this well. I hate to say it but a bigger club will come along and snap him up, and typically we will sell him for a fraction of what he'll be worth in a few years time.

he will be gone if he wants to sit on his backside and get a big pay rise.

He will be here if he wants to play football and make a decent living.

Unfortunately, as with all young players, the choice will be his.

 

[Sirius]

h SNIP will be here if he wants to play football and make a decent living.

Unfortunately, as with all young players, the choice will be his.

And so it should be. By all means listen to advice from someone you respect but George is old enough to make up his own mind FFS back in the stone age, guys his age were trusted to fly and crew large airoplanes over Europe and dodge the flack.

 

[alcoblade]

Will be gone by January if he contiously plays this well. I hate to say it but a bigger club will come along and snap him up, and typically we will sell him for a fraction of what he'll be worth in a few years time.

This is the biggest myth attached to Sheffield United, IMHO.

"Typically".......so, out of the thousands of players sold, who do you think we've given way. If you break 10 I'll buy you a pint. ...

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[Revolution]

Typically".......so, out of the thousands of players sold, who do you think we've given way. If you break 10 I'll buy you a pint.

Do Billy Sharp and Clive Mendonca count as 2 players each for the purpose of this exercise?

 

[Blade nath]

This is the biggest myth attached to Sheffield United, IMHO.

"Typically".......so, out of the thousands of players sold, who do you think we've given way. If you break 10 I'll buy you a pint. ...

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Quinn, Sharp, Naughton,Walker, Jags, Cahill, Leon Britton, Killa, Hulse, Stead, Slew (kinda)
Not Counting Lowton as that was about 3 Mil..

 

[Houso]

Quinn, Sharp, Naughton,Walker, Jags, Cahill, Leon Britton, Killa, Hulse, Stead, Slew (kinda)
Not Counting Lowton as that was about 3 Mil..

We gave away Gary Cahill?!?!

 

[Balham]

Quinn, Sharp, Naughton,Walker, Jags, Cahill, Leon Britton, Killa, Hulse, Stead, Slew (kinda)
Not Counting Lowton as that was about 3 Mil..

Quinn: £100k plus add-ons. You can have that.

Sharp: £100k first time around plus a 25% sell-on. Not the worst deal - until we bought him back for £2m.

Naughton: £5m plus add-ons. Definitely not "given away".

Walker: £3m plus add-ons for an 18 year old with fewer than 20 starts. He could have been the next Lee Morris...but I'll let you have this one.

Jagielka: £4m was probably £2-£4m less than he was worth but is not really "giving away".

Cahill: was on loan. No chance.

Leon Britton: £500k on Swansea's promotion - not a bad return for 6 months.

Kilgallon: over £1m for a defender in the last 6 months of his contract - a good deal.

Hulse: not the same player after his broken leg. £1.75m was a great deal at the time.

Stead: £600k for a player who is a true journeyman. Not a bad deal.

Slew: £1.1m. In which world is that "giving away"?

So you can definitely have Quinn. Sharp, Walker, Jagielka and possibly Britton would just about qualify but you still need to find another 5 players to get alcoblade 's pint

 

[GAZBLADE]

We gave away Gary Cahill?!?!

Didn't think he was ours to give away!!! Check your facts Blade Nath
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COYRWW

 

[alcoblade]

Quinn: £100k plus add-ons. You can have that.

Sharp: £100k first time around plus a 25% sell-on. Not the worst deal - until we bought him back for £2m.

Naughton: £5m plus add-ons. Definitely not "given away".

Walker: £3m plus add-ons for an 18 year old with fewer than 20 starts. He could have been the next Lee Morris...but I'll let you have this one.

Jagielka: £4m was probably £2-£4m less than he was worth but is not really "giving away".

Cahill: was on loan. No chance.

Leon Britton: £500k on Swansea's promotion - not a bad return for 6 months.

Kilgallon: over £1m for a defender in the last 6 months of his contract - a good deal.

Hulse: not the same player after his broken leg. £1.75m was a great deal at the time.

Stead: £600k for a player who is a true journeyman. Not a bad deal.

Slew: £1.1m. In which world is that "giving away"?

So you can definitely have Quinn. Sharp, Walker, Jagielka and possibly Britton would just about qualify but you still need to find another 5 players to get alcoblade 's pint

I wouldn't accept Jagielka either. He excercised a clause in his contract. If we hadn't allowed that clause he wouldn't have signed it and would have walked for free.

Quinn, as covered elsewhere was a result of offloading enormous wages. He was given in the same way some slapper gave me a dose a few decades ago.

Britton - actualy proved us wrong but 99% of the fanbase would have consdered it a good deal at the time of doing business.

Slew must have been added in just for the amusement factor....

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[Darren]

Quinn: £100k plus add-ons. You can have that.

Sharp: £100k first time around plus a 25% sell-on. Not the worst deal - until we bought him back for £2m.

Naughton: £5m plus add-ons. Definitely not "given away".

Walker: £3m plus add-ons for an 18 year old with fewer than 20 starts. He could have been the next Lee Morris...but I'll let you have this one.

Jagielka: £4m was probably £2-£4m less than he was worth but is not really "giving away".

Cahill: was on loan. No chance.

Leon Britton: £500k on Swansea's promotion - not a bad return for 6 months.

Kilgallon: over £1m for a defender in the last 6 months of his contract - a good deal.

Hulse: not the same player after his broken leg. £1.75m was a great deal at the time.

Stead: £600k for a player who is a true journeyman. Not a bad deal.

Slew: £1.1m. In which world is that "giving away"?

So you can definitely have Quinn. Sharp, Walker, Jagielka and possibly Britton would just about qualify but you still need to find another 5 players to get alcoblade 's pint

I wouldn't give him Walker either. I think people's memories are warped by his subsequent progress, but a brief recap...

He made his debut at Orient in the FA Cup in Jan 09. I saw that game. He was ok, but nothing special and was dropped when the league campaign resumed. He didn't get back into the team until the last two games of the season, when Naysmith was injured and Naughton had to move over to LB. Walker came in at RB and played in those 2 games and the 3 play off games and did very well.

So we had a player who had played just FIVE games at 2nd tier level and we got £3M for him. A give away? Really?

 

[metalblade]

I wouldn't give him Walker either. I think people's memories are warped by his subsequent progress, but a brief recap...

He made his debut at Orient in the FA Cup in Jan 09. I saw that game. He was ok, but nothing special and was dropped when the league campaign resumed. He didn't get back into the team until the last two games of the season, when Naysmith was injured and Naughton had to move over to LB. Walker came in at RB and played in those 2 games and the 3 play off games and did very well.

So we had a player who had played just FIVE games at 2nd tier level and we got £3M for him. A give away? Really?

Maybe when you factor in our subsequent relegations in the seasons after selling certain players over the years you could say the cost to us has far outweighed any transfer fees received. In my book we have given away a host of players by chasing the quick buck at the expense of long term gain.

 

[Hodgyman]

But going back to the thread topic, George has done really well for himself and the team so far. If he keeps this up and other Premiership clubs come in for him, would we want to hold him back? Both Jaggers and Kyle Walker have moved on to their own and Englands benefit.

Don't forget we have another highly rated young keeper in George Willis. We can't play them both

 

[metalblade]

But going back to the thread topic, George has done really well for himself and the team so far. If he keeps this up and other Premiership clubs come in for him, would we want to hold him back? Both Jaggers and Kyle Walker have moved on to their own and Englands benefit.

Don't forget we have another highly rated young keeper in George Willis. We can't play them both

I would hope we hang on to any youngster longer than we did with Kyle Walker, two highly rated young full backs and we sell both on the same day FFS .......... shades of Deane and Fjortoft only the Blades would be so foolish. What some on here forget if they ever knew it is Premiership clubs don't buy young players for their current ability they buy them for their potential, what SUFC don't realise is they are willing to pay eye watering amounts for that potential. Who got the best of the deal £3m for an England player it certainly was not Sheffield Utd. You mention George Willis Hodgyman rest assured if by some chance they don't sell both on the same day the clowns at the lane will sell the best of the two.

 

[Darren]

Maybe when you factor in our subsequent relegations in the seasons after selling certain players over the years you could say the cost to us has far outweighed any transfer fees received. In my book we have given away a host of players by chasing the quick buck at the expense of long term gain.

Yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?

The point is, on what we knew at the time, could selling a player with the grand total of 5 second tier appearances for £3M be classified as a "give away". To coin a phrase, it seems to be that only a mutant with half a brain could consider that it was.

 

[metalblade]

Yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?

The point is, on what we knew at the time, could selling a player with the grand total of 5 second tier appearances for £3M be classified as a "give away". To coin a phrase, it seems to be that only a mutant with half a brain could consider that it was.

see post #15

 

[Darren]

see post #15

I'd like to know who that England player was who we only got £3m for.

 

[metalblade]

I'd like to know who that England player was who we only got £3m for.

No real argument here we let a player go who now plays for England as part of a deal that sold 2 players to Spurs. Trying to debate how much to the last penny was paid for Walker doesn't do your point of view any favours.

 

[Darren]

No real argument here we let a player go who now plays for England as part of a deal that sold 2 player to Spurs. Trying to debate how much to the last penny was paid for Walker doesn't do you point of view any favours.

My point was that he was not an England player when we sold him.

 

[Balham]

No real argument here we let a player go who now plays for England as part of a deal that sold 2 player to Spurs. Trying to debate how much to the last penny was paid for Walker doesn't do you point of view any favours.

I don't think Darren has questioned once the amount Spurs paid for Walker. His point - which is perfectly valid - is that at the time, £3m for an 18 year old right back with 5 first team starts was a good deal. He could have gone the way of Freddy Adu or Lee Morris.

Obviously if he had stayed for another couple of seasons and had developed into the player he is now while at the Blades, we would have sold him for more.

PS £3,000,000 is not "letting go".

 

[metalblade]

I don't think Darren has questioned once the amount Spurs paid for Walker. His point - which is perfectly valid - is that at the time, £3m for an 18 year old right back with 5 first team starts was a good deal. He could have gone the way of Freddy Adu or Lee Morris.

Obviously if he had stayed for another couple of seasons and had developed into the player he is now while at the Blades, we would have sold him for more.

PS £3,000,000 is not "letting go".

Still don't get it do you all, Spurs were not interested in a 18 yr old full back with 5 games under his belt they saw like everyone else did (apart from the clowns at the lane) a kid with the potential to be a future England player, Spurs were willing to pay for that potential and take a calculated risk. They now have an England full back for a snip we got Nyron Nosworthy

 

[Revolution]

Of course the key issue with that deal was, and remains, the utter idiocy of selling both players at the same time, particularly when it was obvious to all and sundry that Kilgallon would leave in the next transfer window if not before.

As it turns out, Walker was worth more, and Naughton less, than they were sold for. Shouldn't have sold them both.

 

[Darren]

Still don't get it do you all, Spurs were not interested in a 18 yr old full back with 5 games under his belt they saw like everyone else did (apart from the clowns at the lane) a kid with the potential to be a future England player, Spurs were willing to pay for that potential and take a calculated risk. They now have an England full back for a snip we got Nyron Nosworthy

I get it entirely. As you say, Spurs took a risk, and as Balham Blade says he could have been the next Lee Morris (who do you think got the better of that deal by the way, the "clowns" at the Lane or Premier League Derby?). This time the risk paid off for them. There was no guarantee that it would. Given Walker's pedigree in 2009 (an undistinguished loan spell at Northampton, an undistingusihed debut at Orient followed by 5 good games which could well have been flukes), you would have thought a Morris outcome much more likely than him becoming an England player.

And if you think "everyone else" could see the potential of Walker in 2009, why was there no bidding war for his services then?

 

[broomhillblade]

Of course the key issue with that deal was, and remains, the utter idiocy of selling both players at the same time, particularly when it was obvious to all and sundry that Kilgallon would leave in the next transfer window if not before.

As it turns out, Walker was worth more, and Naughton less, than they were sold for. Shouldn't have sold them both.

As I recall, Walker was supposed to be staying with us for a season-long loan. If Spurs had honoured the deal our season would have probably been very different.

 

[Grecian2000]

Yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?

The point is, on what we knew at the time, could selling a player with the grand total of 5 second tier appearances for £3M be classified as a "give away". To coin a phrase, it seems to be that only a mutant with half a brain could consider that it was.

I can't be bothered (well I haven't the time with the speed the site is running at for me) but there were a number of threads around the time suggesting Walker was really something special and this was NOT good business. Unfortunately, our old friend Len was of this opinion so a good number lined up against the idea out of the old BIL (Because it's Len) syndrome.

Sometimes you see players you know are going to be special and I would suggest even at 18 with a handful of appearances behind him, that Walker was one of these. No need for hindsight if you have proper foresight.

 

[alcoblade]

there were a number of threads around the time suggesting Walker was really something special and this was NOT good business.

We've got some posters who despite spending their lifetime slagging off some of our players, still claim it's bad business when we sell them.



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[JohnDenver]

Sometimes you see players you know are going to be special and I would suggest even at 18 with a handful of appearances behind him, that Walker was one of these. No need for hindsight if you have proper foresight.

Agree(ish) but I'd change "know are going to be " to "know should become". Lee Morris and Curtis Woodhouse were wonderful footballers at 18. They both could have had long careers in the Premiership if their heads had been right.

 

[Revolution]

Harsh on Morris, John. It was injuries, not a bad attitude, the crippled his career.

 

[Darren]

I can't be bothered (well I haven't the time with the speed the site is running at for me) but there were a number of threads around the time suggesting Walker was really something special and this was NOT good business. Unfortunately, our old friend Len was of this opinion so a good number lined up against the idea out of the old BIL (Because it's Len) syndrome.

Sometimes you see players you know are going to be special and I would suggest even at 18 with a handful of appearances behind him, that Walker was one of these. No need for hindsight if you have proper foresight.

I don't agree about Walker. I think that (as JD) says below Morris and Woodhouse both looked better players than he did at the same age.

I also recall that when he was with us on loan the following season and played 30ish games, whilst he was obviously a decent second tier player, no-one was saying "wow that player is something else, he will definitely play for England".