Game Changing Investment

[blade too long]

what do you get if you spend a lot of money on a player

look at blackburn
paid 8m for jordan rhodes within 2 seasons they are relegated

then look at Middlesborough ,
paid big money for Jordan Rhodes , second season got relegated

Wednesday
paid 9m for jordan rhodes , missed out in play offs
second season coming up

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

what do you get if you spend a lot of money on a player

look at blackburn
paid 8m for jordan rhodes within 2 seasons they are relegated

then look at Middlesborough ,
paid big money for Jordan Rhodes , second season got relegated

Wednesday
paid 9m for jordan rhodes , missed out in play offs
second season coming up

If Carlsberg did second seasons!

 

[Slim Man]

what do you get if you spend a lot of money on a player

look at blackburn
paid 8m for jordan rhodes within 2 seasons they are relegated

then look at Middlesborough ,
paid big money for Jordan Rhodes , second season got relegated

Wednesday
paid 9m for jordan rhodes , missed out in play offs
second season coming up

That isn't even nearly true though since he signed for Blackburn in 2012?

 

[Jehovah]

 

[Barney]

We have finally got out of league one, which is great, however I do not believe the current ownership set up is sustainable for anything more than low end Championship consolidation. Both in terms of wealth and otherwise. If we want to try pushing on to the Premier League the ownership will have to change one way or another.

 

[Blade1771]

We have finally got out of league one, which is great, however I do not believe the current ownership set up is sustainable for anything more than low end Championship consolidation. Both in terms of wealth and otherwise. If we want to try pushing on to the Premier League the ownership will have to change one way or another.

I'm sorry but i fail to agree with you there.

Wealth doesn't necessarily buy you your way out of the Championship. Burnley and Huddersfield over the last couple of years have proved that you don't need to spend big, you just need to be well run, bring in the right type of player, and have a bit of team spirit, and if you get that right then you are already halfway there.

 

[Barney]

I'm sorry but i fail to agree with you there.

Wealth doesn't necessarily buy you your way out of the Championship. Burnley and Huddersfield over the last couple of years have proved that you don't need to spend big, you just need to be well run, bring in the right type of player, and have a bit of team spirit, and if you get that right then you are already halfway there.

They are however quite the anomalies among teams promoted to the Premier League.

 

[Rodley]

We have finally got out of league one, which is great, however I do not believe the current ownership set up is sustainable for anything more than low end Championship consolidation. Both in terms of wealth and otherwise. If we want to try pushing on to the Premier League the ownership will have to change one way or another.

Disagree. I think we can get in around the top half with careful investment and possibly push for the playoffs. Essentially the Barnsley / Huddersfield model but with a better Academy and a little more resource. Plus factor in the "Bramall Lane Effect" - if the ground returns to a bear pit rather than a bag of nerves I think that's good for 5-10 points per season.

 

[Esablade]

I'm interested ( (and hopeful) to see how last season's team would get on against the champ sides but it is disappointing to hear all the 'bull' after the owners said/implied larger investment will come in the Championship (or words to that effect)

Just hope Wilder is able to get us competitive on one of the lowest budgets (probably ) in the Championship.

 

[Rodley]

They are however quite the anomalies among teams promoted to the Premier League.

We've always been an anomaly.

 

[Blade1771]

They are however quite the anomalies among teams promoted to the Premier League.

Swansea, Blackpool, Watford and Bournemouth have also achieved it since the turn of the decade, and they all achieved it without being amonst the biggest spenders in the Division.

If they can achieve it, then why can't we?

 

[Barney]

Disagree. I think we can get in around the top half with careful investment and possibly push for the playoffs. Essentially the Barnsley / Huddersfield model but with a better Academy and a little more resource. Plus factor in the "Bramall Lane Effect" - if the ground returns to a bear pit rather than a bag of nerves I think that's good for 5-10 points per season.

I think you are hugely underestimating the Championship there but we'll see, I hope you're right.

 

[Rodley]

I think you are hugely underestimating the Championship there but we'll see, I hope you're right.

It was a 2-3 year project. I aim for survival year 1.

 

[Barney]

It was a 2-3 year project. I aim for survival year 1.

Yep, where we differ is whether we can get to the Premiership with the current ownership set up.

I assume you think we can.

 

[Blade1771]

Yep, where we differ is whether we can get to the Premiership with the current ownership set up.

I assume you think we can.

And why don't you think we can? Others achieved it, so why not us?

 

[Revolution]

People keep saying "we don't need to spend big to go up".

This is true - but there is more chance of going up if you do spend big on wages. There's plenty of data that shows this.

Plus Chris Wilder, who seems to know what he is doing, would be picking the players. The more money he has, the better.

 

[Barney]

And why don't you think we can? Others achieved it, so why not us?

Firstly, money - I don't think we have enough of it.

And secondly, the willingness to spend it in the quantities we would have to if we had it.

The gaffer has proved himself to be an excellent manager, if I were McCabe or the Prince now I'd realise the first point and be trying my hardest to get in further substantial investment to throw behind Chris Wilder and his team while we have the momentum.

 

[Blade1771]

Firstly, money - I don't think we have enough of it.

And secondly, the willingness to spend it in the quantities we would have to if we had it.

But the other teams i mentioned didn't appear to have either huge cash reserves or a willingness to spend big, so that kinda blows your argument out of the water.

 

[Barney]

But the other teams i mentioned didn't appear to have either huge cash reserves or a willingness to spend big, so that kinda blows your argument out of the water.

Blokes have slept with Kylie Minogue, doesn't mean that I am going to.

 

[sufcboy95]

To be fair when we got took over it was game changing. It's just that over the years other teams have caught up and over took us

 

[Blade1771]

Blokes have slept with Kylie Minogue, doesn't mean that I am going to.

Yeah, but you can always dream

I think we should be looking to replicate what others have managed to do in recent years under more limited budgets, rather than worrying about what we haven't got.

 

[The Crab]

Blokes have slept with Kylie Minogue, doesn't mean that I am going to.

She still stalking you Barney?

 

[BushBlade]

Swansea, Blackpool, Watford and Bournemouth have also achieved it since the turn of the decade, and they all achieved it without being amonst the biggest spenders in the Division.

If they can achieve it, then why can't we?

How much did Watford and Bournemouth spend? On wages and transfer fees?

Swansea and Blackpool went up before the huge increases in parachute payments so it was more of a level playing field in those days.

 

[Revolution]

But the other teams i mentioned didn't appear to have either huge cash reserves or a willingness to spend big, so that kinda blows your argument out of the water.

Wouldn't you agree that more money = better players can be signed (if we know what we are doing) = better chance of promotion?

 

[Revolution]

How much did Watford and Bournemouth spend? On wages and transfer fees?

Swansea and Blackpool went up before the huge increases in parachute payments so it was more of a level playing field in those days.

Bournemouth and Watford both had significant resources. Bournemouth had cash, Watford loads of Italian loanees.

 

[Davalon]

Blokes have slept with Kylie Minogue, doesn't mean that I am going to.

We certainly have

 

[ucandomagic]

Blokes have slept with Kylie Minogue, doesn't mean that I am going to.

 

[Boxer Blade]

The clubs with the biggest budgets will usually be at the top and be involved in promotion the clubs with the lowest budgets will usually be at the bottom and be involved in relegation however every now and then a club or two will change this but most of the time.....

 

[blade too long]

That isn't even nearly true though since he signed for Blackburn in 2012?

its close enough

 

[blade too long]

We have finally got out of league one, which is great, however I do not believe the current ownership set up is sustainable for anything more than low end Championship consolidation. Both in terms of wealth and otherwise. If we want to try pushing on to the Premier League the ownership will have to change one way or another.

matter of opinion
Im pretty certain in 2006 we went to the prem, under this administration
we didnt spend 40 million then either