Former Players Update

[LoughboroBlade]

Connor Sammon being the notable exception to that rule.

The person to propose a watertight theory that sufficiently explains Conor Sammon shall be awarded a Nobel Prize.

 

[GrayBlade]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

 

[Champagneblade]

Upsetting as it may be, we didn’t have the platform for him to be a 20-3m pound player.

Doing it against Brenttford or Ipswich isn’t going to do that.

No point getting upset. It’s alll relative. For less than 10% of that fee we got Norwood.

 

[Revolution]

People keep saying that if Brooks were with us, he would struggle to get a game.

The last time I checked, we had a very good manager. I am confident that if Brooks was still with us and showing the form he's showing in the PL, he'd be playing. Indeed, I suspect we might not have signed Norwood.

 

[grafikhaus]

Hit the nail on the head here. He’s playing with all round better players as well so that’ll improve him.

If he’d have gone from us in League 1 it would have been £4m, as it was it was £12m in the Championship and after a couple of good performances in the Prem it’ll be £40m from Bournemouth to the top 6 Prem and then £100m if he does it at the very top to Real etc. Seems the usual move for youngsters with potential. The fact some Championship clubs pay £10+m for players often clouds judgement.

Nail on head. Brooks - like Maguire - is surrounded by a better class of player. It's a no-brainer that DB will become an excellent player.

Talking of 'former players', Jacob Mellis was MotM on Tuesday. Could do a job?

 

[Lane Ender]

Those comments on Brooks make you gip.
He would have tore this division apart this season.
He will follow his mukka to Real or similar
A nondescript outfit like Bournemouth saying they’ve had our pants down FFS

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Upsetting as it may be, we didn’t have the platform for him to be a 20-3m pound player.

Doing it against Brenttford or Ipswich isn’t going to do that.

No point getting upset. It’s alll relative. For less than 10% of that fee we got Norwood.

Not sure about that...Dack's form has mostly been league 1....and they're talking of WBA offering 25m for him.

 

[flashinblade1889]

Cheers Royston.

 

[I should coco]

People keep saying that if Brooks were with us, he would struggle to get a game.

The last time I checked, we had a very good manager. I am confident that if Brooks was still with us and showing the form he's showing in the PL, he'd be playing. Indeed, I suspect we might not have signed Norwood.

I disagree completely. Norwood sits in front of the back 3 taking the ball and distributing to our attacking players. Brooks never had the kind of vision and wanted to run with the ball and score a goal every time. That is what made him exciting, but IMHO his decision making was often poor.

He was superb at the Sty and also DirtyLeeds but then had some very mediocre performance in other games. You could not depend on the last season's version of Brooks, so he was certainly not one to sit in the middle and patiently build up play.

Of course I would have preferred to have kept him AND acquired Norwood, but the latter has had far more impact on our league position than Brooks would have done. He was a 'luxury player' in a sense and superb to watch, but he would still have been starting behind Duffy. The only roles he could realistically play in our team are Duffy's or as one of the front two. He does not have the tackling, awareness or positional discipline to play anywhere else in midfield nor at wing back.

GLTTL in the most genuine way, but that ship has now sailed.

 

[BLADES1988]

That interview with that charlatan Wilson instantly put me right off him, he sounded like a right arrogant flipping wally!!

 

[Booker4]

Wrong......it’s currently looking like the best piece of business we’ve ever made.

If Brooks was here, he’d struggle to keep Duffy out. We’d still be trying to find his best position and he’d probably mainly be sub.
Bournemouth were the only club interested.....in order to improve and build the squad in the short term it was a no brainier.

Agree selling Brooks might be bad business in the long term because he might have developed into a great player with us in a few years.
But to be fair if we have a chance of PL this season we should take it, remember Brooks wasn’t even a 1st teamer last season.

With the Brooks money we’ve managed to give Wilder a big pay rise, buy Egan (record club signing) and Norwood and bring in Henderson and McGoldrick.

There’s no denying that with the wheeling and dealing we are a far better side than last season and we’ve still got 5 million to spend.
This proves someone this season is doing a fantastic job with transfers in and out.

People have agendas and read into things what they want but just because someone is good at one club doesn’t mean he’s automatically good at another club. Brooks is now playing in a different role with different players and a different manager.

The Brooks deal was a rare situation where the player wins, the selling club win and the buying club win.

I agree with your points. Ultimately though, we'll never know whether we could have still signed the players we've done this pre-season if we hadn't sold Brooks. If we couldn't afford Egan, Henderson and in particular Norwood, then selling Brooks was the right deal., However we sold Evans and Leonard (albeit first on loan) and surely that covered Norwood's deal? The Egan deal who knows, and also Brooks wanted to leave, which is a factor.

Yes we could have said do one unless its 20 million but we'd have not got that. Maddison went for a 20 million and he'd just come off the back of a season of 14 goals from midfield and was the player of the season for Norwich and made the team of the season for the League. Are we really saying we should have asked for a similar fee for Brooks who wasn't even a first team starter every week last season and scored 3 goals in 30 games as well as having glandular fever mid season. It might prove to be a bargain for Bournemouth, but you can't judge the fee now you judge it at the time of the sale.

 

[coaxingstar71]

Given the choice I'd rather us have signed Norwood than kept Brooks. It wasn't as if Brooks was an able deputy for Coutts when he got injured, completely different type of player. I assume Brooks would have been challenging for Duffy's role, but I'd still prefer Duffy with his work ethic in the Championship. We are also told that the Brooks money is still available, so I'm hoping for reinforcements up front in January to push us over the line.

 

[Rodley]

That interview with that charlatan Wilson instantly put me right off him, he sounded like a right arrogant flipping wally!!

On £30,000 a week at Old Trafford.

 

[IOM Blade]

I’ll give an example.
Real Madrid offer Bournemouth £25 million for Brooks and they accept more than doubling their money in 6 months.

Funny thing is, big old Bournemouth would scoff at an offer of £25M.

 

[guancheblade]

We'll have a massive sell on surely. I don't think £12m is criminal but I feel like we might have asked for more, and having failed to get it, chucked in a 20%+ sell on so they could get it over the line.

I remember Wilder looking quite happy when asked about the sell on anyway.

It's his next move that's the one that matters. We could easily get nearly the same again if he keeps progressing.

Bournemouth is the stepping stone, agents are probably waiting for someone to leave a space in a big 6 team in the next couple of years.

By the times Brooks moves on the standard for PL transfer fees could be 9 digits... so a healthy sell on clause won't look so foolish in hindsight given a future 20 million+ likely coming our way in the next couple of years

 

[Pinchy]

While I agree to a point that with hindsight the Brooks fee is low, Bournemouth were the only side in for him and we needed the fee to kickstart our summer recruitment.

Your maths is out too: £11.5m+£3m+£2.5m = £17m before additional fees from sell on clauses etc.

Precisely. Nobody, absolutely nobody, matched let alone bettered the Bournemouth offer. The kid and his leech were determined to go. Just another chance for people to deride the club they claim to support.

 

[Pinchy]

No doubt we will have a big % of any future transfer ,he will go to a top club sooner or later ,Walker went for 50 million and earned us a few Bob Brooke's will top that

Brooke’s what?

 

[I should coco]

Brooke’s what?

Read it properly. It's Bob Brookes who played under Basset and had a lovely 'ave it' right foot. IIRC he put the ball over the stand into John Street a record 19 times , in the 21 games he played for us.

 

[Pinchy]

Read it properly. It's Bob Brookes who played under Basset and had a lovely 'ave it' right foot. IIRC he put the ball over the stand into John Street a record 19 times , in the 21 games he played for us.

Didn’t Robert “Kozzy” Kozluk later break Bob Brooke’s record, astonishingly in a single game?

 

[I should coco]

Didn’t Robert “Kozzy” Kozluk later break Bob Brooke’s record, astonishingly in a single game

He had a laugh about it later in the dressing room.

A real joker, that Kozzy!

Tee hee hee.

Ho ho ho.

Ha....

 

[Pinchy]

He had a laugh about it later in the dressing room.

A real joker, that Kozzy!

Tee hee hee.

Ho ho ho.

Ha....

I found him funny in a comédie noire sort of way...

 

[I should coco]

I found him funny in a comédie noire sort of way...

Port Vale at home in 1999?

 

[BushBlade]

He had a laugh about it later in the dressing room.

A real joker, that Kozzy!

Tee hee hee.

Ho ho ho.

Ha....

Gorra be a good player wi them boots.

Shall I tek ‘em off then?

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Ex footballer Anthony Stokes arrested in Dublin

Anthony Stokes, 34, who played two minutes in a league cup match for Arsenal was detained in Dublin after he and a passenger allegedly attempted to run from the car containing the drugs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Kendal]

Ex footballer Anthony Stokes arrested in Dublin

Anthony Stokes, 34, who played two minutes in a league cup match for Arsenal was detained in Dublin after he and a passenger allegedly attempted to run from the car containing the drugs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Stokes spent much of his professional career in Scotland, playing for Celtic and Hamilton. He also had brief spells with a number of lower profile teams, including Sunderland."
Whoever wrote that is a Geordie
Then again, we don't even get a mention

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

"Stokes spent much of his professional career in Scotland, playing for Celtic and Hamilton. He also had brief spells with a number of lower profile teams, including Sunderland."
Whoever wrote that is a Geordie
Then again, we don't even get a mention

Probably don’t want one either we’ve had enough bad headlines in our time

 

[Gimli]

"Stokes spent much of his professional career in Scotland, playing for Celtic and Hamilton. He also had brief spells with a number of lower profile teams, including Sunderland."
Whoever wrote that is a Geordie
Then again, we don't even get a mention

I’m not sure which world we’re in when the mighty Hamilton Academicals are considered ‘higher profile’ than Sunderland - although it is the daily Mail which could explain it.

 

[Paulus]

There was a moment this afternoon on the Stelling show when both Lavery and Sammon were on the ticker tape as scorers - I thought I had briefly shifted into a parallel universe.