Fitness and conditioning

[Slim Man]

What on earth is wrong with some of them?

We aren't getting the constant hamstring injuries of Hecky's past, but we have Hamer and Campbell who just cannot do 90. A full season and I think Campbell's done 90 once at a push?

Such a fit team in Wilder's first spell, complete opposite now.

That needs fixing in the close season. I'd love to see us play Leeds style of high intensity football.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Sums it up. Pathetic

 

[Jan Age]

This is while Hamer will never cut it at a top prem side… doesn’t look after himself enough

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

Sums it up. Pathetic
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Fuck me, starting to look like Neville Southall with his ‘Pieceps’.

 

[Large Mendonca]

What on earth is wrong with some of them?

We aren't getting the constant hamstring injuries of Hecky's past, but we have Hamer and Campbell who just cannot do 90. A full season and I think Campbell's done 90 once at a push?

Such a fit team in Wilder's first spell, complete opposite now.

That needs fixing in the close season. I'd love to see us play Leeds style of high intensity football.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we’d got a drinking culture at the Lane - the boss hardly sets the example does he?

 

[Broomhall Blade]

This is while Hamer will never cut it at a top prem side… doesn’t look after himself enough

Wait until he signs for Leeds and plays a full season like Bogle.
Our training and conditioning needs looking at too may players blowing out of their backside around the 60min mark.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we’d got a drinking culture at the Lane - the boss hardly sets the example does he?

All about the culture. It won’t bring success in today’s game.

 

[Houston_Blade]

We did an ‘investigation’ the other season when the Shirecliffe sniper was in his pomp, it seems like we need another one into why all our decent players are fucked after an hour.

Wilder criticised the fitness of the players when he took over and they’re still no better 18 months later.

 

[noire]

Back in 2002-03 we brought in Dean Riddle. An Aussie with a background outside football and we reaped the rewards of being fitter than our opposition despite our limited resources.

We are awfully unfit now. Something which I think is inexcusable 20 years later.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

The bar is a lot lower now so they might look fit in training with nobody outstandingly fit to compare to.

Basham set the standard in the good times and was ridiculously fit.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The bar is a lot lower now

That’s a problem then. It means Gus can get served more easily.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

This is while Hamer will never cut it at a top prem side… doesn’t look after himself enough

He's definitely a class act, but nobody is going to tell me he couldn't be a lot leaner and fitter.

 

[nopigfansintown]

This is while Hamer will never cut it at a top prem side… doesn’t look after himself enough

Yep. It's no small issue having gassed players all the time. A big issue yesterday was starting Campbell and Moore. Most of us would probably have done it, but when they were fucked after an hour we had nobody who can hold the ball to bring on for what was potentially extra time and penalties.

It was similar in midfield. We were looking leggy after 70 minutes. The option is Tom Davies. Does he have 50-60 minutes in him? Probably not.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Back in 2002-03 we brought in Dean Riddle. An Aussie with a background outside football and we reaped the rewards of being fitter than our opposition despite our limited resources.

We are awfully unfit now. Something which I think is inexcusable 20 years later.

Tony Daley. Bombed out by Robbo

 

[Champagneblade]

This is while Hamer will never cut it at a top prem side… doesn’t look after himself enough

You had Baldock sending himself to Dubai to do hot weather training in his off season.

You’ll have pictures of Hamer doing shots in the pubs back home.

 

[nopigfansintown]

There's a few piss takers. I don't thinks it's cultural as most are on point. The issue is that they aren't our Cantona. They aren't carrying us and worth indulging. Get fit or get fucked off.

 

[Slim Man]

There's a few piss takers. I don't thinks it's cultural as most are on point. The issue is that they aren't our Cantona. They aren't carrying us and worth indulging. Get fit or get fucked off.

It's not just individuals. As a team, most of them look fucked late on

 

[robbiez666]

There's a few piss takers. I don't thinks it's cultural as most are on point. The issue is that they aren't our Cantona. They aren't carrying us and worth indulging. Get fit or get fucked off.

And if Hamer took fitness seriously we'd have been up automatically. Although, then again, Coventry would have probably got up through the play-offs.

 

[SRBlade]

Back in 2002-03 we brought in Dean Riddle. An Aussie with a background outside football and we reaped the rewards of being fitter than our opposition despite our limited resources.

We are awfully unfit now. Something which I think is inexcusable 20 years later.

If i remember correctly he had them munching baby food (like rusks not ya jars of babyfood)

 

[Carlton Blade]

Hamer averaged 83 minutes per start and played 19 full 90s.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Hamer averaged 83 minutes per start and played 19 full 90s.

He’s also at least a stone overweight.

 

[Carlton Blade]

He’s also at least a stone overweight.

Probably. But this 60 minute thing being quoted in every thread is nonsense.

Plus, we ask him to sprint around rather than get him on the ball in attacking situations. Either get him fit or play to his strengths

 

[nopigfansintown]

It's not just individuals. As a team, most of them look fucked late on

Yeah there's actually more. I'm not looking much at the January loans. There always big risk factors with those and there's little that can be done as it's baked in for the season.So BBD and Holding I give a pass for despite the obvious issues. Tom Davies is unfortunately, well, a crock. Everyone wanted him on yesterday but how long has he got in the tank?

Peck, Souza, McCallum, Burrows, Anel, Robbo, Seriki (adjusting to men's game), Arblaster, Cannon, O'Hare, Brooks, Choudhury and the Keepers I'm ok with. Some have been knocked by injuries after looking ok e.g. Moore, Gilchrist. Maybe Rak Saki. He's an enigma

Tom Davies, Shacks, RND go on my crocks list unfortunately. I don't think you're ever likely to get them fit for regular 90 minutes regardless of the regime. Brewster is a weird one. He plays now but gets hooked regularly. He's probably the same. I don't think they it's attitude related

Campbell, Hamer and a couple of the Jan loans are the concerning ones. The first two more so because we own them and they've been through our pre season. They haven't suffered long term injury or illness like Moore. Maybe TC's fitness issues are related to his longer term injury record? Who knows.

 

[Jaime]

If i remember correctly he had them munching baby food (like rusks not ya jars of babyfood)

It was all about Jelly Babies and the release time of sugars. Each player had their weight calibrated with half time jelly babies (I kid you not!). There was also an awful lot more too that was done by Dean.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

If our fitness limitations can be exposed by an ordinary Sunderland side,then we should be grateful that they have saved us from another Premierleague humiliation.
We are better than Sunderland and should have won comfortably,no excuses,but their youth and fitness was a major factor in the final 20 minutes.
It was just another of our failures,too many to recount,it has now become completely unacceptable.
.

 

[loyalblade95]

In regards to Campbell which of these 2 options would be preferable for people. Put a 6 match swing on each option.

1) Campbell plays 60-70 minutes per game, but plays 40-46 league games.
2) Campbell plays 90 minutes per game, but only plays 30-36 league games instead.

Option 1 for me, better to have him for more games, even if he can't play 90 minutes in those games.

Could apply the same to Tom Davies as well.

 

[loyalblade95]

If our fitness limitations can be exposed by an ordinary Sunderland side,then we should be grateful that they have saved us from another Premierleague humiliation.
We are better than Sunderland and should have won comfortably,no excuses,but their youth and fitness was a major factor in the final 20 minutes.
It was just another of our failures,too many to recount,it has now become completely unacceptable.
.

Wonder if a part of that is down to how players look after themselves as individuals, something that the medical staff might need to keep a better eye on.

Take Norwood for example, out of all of the players from the previous CW team, Norwood was one of the players who was always available, either on the bench or starting, I can't recall him ever missing out of the match day squad.

Before his injury, Basham was the same, same with Egan and Baldock, they were always available unless it was for bad injuries, they never really had those minor niggling injuries.

Norwood looked after himself, and it seems like he's brought those same levels of fitness to Stockport this season, even when he wasn't starting.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

I always say this, but it amazes me how many players (not United specific) seemingly don't live like an athlete.

Modern footballers are essentially athletes first I'd argue, and footballers second.

Good Sleep, optimum nutrition, and a super healthy lifestyle has to be the minimum for anybody at this level of football.

It can't be that difficult either as for sure the club will have people telling them what and when to eat, and have their fitness levels and body composition measured to within an inch of its life.

 

[S64 Blade]

This is while Hamer will never cut it at a top prem side… doesn’t look after himself enough

Frequents Fat Sam’s in Dronfield on a regular basis. So that won’t help.

 

[Slim Man]

Frequents Fat Sam’s in Dronfield on a regular basis. So that won’t help.

The temptation of a Fat Sam's special can get the better of anyone. Even elite athletes.