Fiddling away in High Court while our Premier League chances burn.

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

June 3rd.

How full is our tank now ?

How full should the tank be ?

Last season Fulham over filled their tank and the excess weight caused a lack of buoyancy and they sank.

Does the tank contain sharks, or clownfish?

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Hi Flatulent. I've picked you out from the clowns as I don't recognise your name and hope to provide an opportunity for debate rather than all the childish giddiness and Sean's usual cocktail of half truths and exaggerations, twisted to discredit and hijack the thread.

Hope you don't mind.

Greatest pick up lines of all time:

I may be an outlaw darlin, but you're the one stealin' my heart;

Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me ?;

Hi Flatulent.

 

[I should coco]

Does the tank contain sharks, or clownfish?

Both to start with, but just some fat sharks now.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes but it was easy to anticipate that with the two owners squabbling between themselves and locked in Litigation in Court that the club could have been in a state of paralysis as neither would agree on a budget or sanction any spending.

Thank God that common sense has prevailed and that both can see that CW needed to be given a decent budget if we were to have any chance of surviving in the PL. I have to say that this bodes well for the future whoever wins the case. I am still worried about PA winning but a lot less so now he has clearly been a party to authorizing the spending.

Regardless of the bitterness it was highly unlikely that either would seriously seek to damage a PL investment by keeping funds under lock and key. In fact, as there didn't appear to be any drama in the court case about funding Wilder for the 2019/20 season nor arguments regarding that put to the judge save a couple of accusations, it was far more likely, especially after Wilders comments, that our particular turkeys wouldn't be voting for Christmas.

Once posters, myself included, took the worry and emotion out of their thoughts, l doubt many thought they'd effectively sink the club - while would be investors watched - to get at each other.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Greatest pick up lines of all time:

I may be an outlaw darlin, but you're the one stealin' my heart;

Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me ?;

Hi Flatulent.

It’s a Springfield 1873.

 

[Yewsman]

Regardless of the bitterness it was highly unlikely that either would seriously seek to damage a PL investment by keeping funds under lock and key. In fact, as there didn't appear to be any drama in the court case about funding Wilder for the 2019/20 season nor arguments regarding that put to the judge save a couple of accusations, it was far more likely, especially after Wilders comments, that our particular turkeys wouldn't be voting for Christmas.

Once posters, myself included, took the worry and emotion out of their thoughts, l doubt many thought they'd effectively sink the club - while would be investors watched - to get at each other.

Logical response from a logical poster (or should I have used the words "Quality" and "Quality Poster" to paraphrase a well know commentator?) however I think that the whole argument/conduct between/of the two owners show that neither has been entirely logical in the way they have conducted themselves. The funding for 2019/20 was never going to be relevant in the Full Hearing as by then we had the PL money.
Perhaps Turkeys is the apt term - sadly.

 

[BushBlade]

Logical response from a logical poster (or should I have used the words "Quality" and "Quality Poster" to paraphrase a well know commentator?) however I think that the whole argument/conduct between/of the two owners show that neither has been entirely logical in the way they have conducted themselves. The funding for 2019/20 was never going to be relevant in the Full Hearing as by then we had the PL money.
Perhaps Turkeys is the apt term - sadly.

I was going to say more or less what ST said. They both believe they have a case and a good chance of winning. They wouldn’t go to court otherwise. If you expect to win, you’re going to want to ‘win’ a club with as good a chance of staying up as it can have, not one that will definitely go down (without Wilder to sort it out as he’d have walked if he wasn’t given money, there’s no way he would take responsibility for a Derby/Sunderland situation).

Whilst you can argue that emotion has made our owners act foolishly, they’re not fools. The money has come from the PL, they’ve allowed CW to invest it, knowing that the winner will benefit from it and the loser will be no worse off. It was always the most likely outcome.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

It’s a Springfield 1873.

A tried & tested Breechloader if I'm not mistaken ?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Fair enough, you’re going to pretend you didn’t say things your clearly did in order to whip up an unnecessary negative outlook of our preparation and attack the board and manager, which has been proven to be factually incorrect. You’re going to answer what you want to and try to alter your original position rather than accept your original postings were wrong.
As I said in post 355, I’m not interested in debating nonsense and wasting my time so if you won’t accept the clear facts we now know you’ll need to find someone else. Add me to the list of sharks and add you to the troll pile.
Everyone can see with their own eyes what you’re doing and can come to their own conclusions with regards to your motives, be that an eternal pessimist or someone deliberately trying to cause upset and arguments by spreading lies and misrepresentation.
One things for sure, you’re going to need a bigger boat.

OK, all I can do is provide the o.p. below as that cannot be wrong.

Wednesdayites couldn't write the script, it beggars belief.

SUFC income multiplies this year by way above £100m. In the Championship our income was around £20m.

We are in Court for another 3 weeks, who knows when the judgement will be made and whether there will be an appeal. In all likelihood there will be a split-ruling between the owners and then they have to find a way to work together anyway, at least to sell-up.. The season will probably be under way before any positive actions come from either party.

Should McCabe win 100% control then a takeover has to be undertaken and formalised. That can take weeks and weeks.

OK all this has been said before but my simple question is - "What is going to happen to all the extra money in the meantime?"

If rumours are true that the spending budget for this summer is only £20m. What happens to all the rest of the new cash?

The January Transfer Window will be an opportunity to invest in the playing squad but we all know the best deals don't happen then and incoming players need to settle into the club.

What's the earliest date that proper funding can be introduced for the manager to spend?

If Wilder is content to take on the Premier League with just the £20m then I'm worried anyway, despite his confidence and his achievements to date.

What happens to all the cash that is swishing around S2? The sale price of the club is supposed to be £140m if KM gains 100% control, it's obvious where that goes.

If we only spend £20m what profit will our club make during the 12 months we are relegated? Loads and loads! Even after that we receive monumental parachute payments. Then we will be recovering a downward momentum rather than building on our upward momentum.

Hey you two owners. Where's t'money gooing?

 

[Yewsman]

I was going to say more or less what ST said. They both believe they have a case and a good chance of winning. They wouldn’t go to court otherwise. If you expect to win, you’re going to want to ‘win’ a club with as good a chance of staying up as it can have, not one that will definitely go down (without Wilder to sort it out as he’d have walked if he wasn’t given money, there’s no way he would take responsibility for a Derby/Sunderland situation).

Whilst you can argue that emotion has made our owners act foolishly, they’re not fools. The money has come from the PL, they’ve allowed CW to invest it, knowing that the winner will benefit from it and the loser will be no worse off. It was always the most likely outcome.

One of my concerns has always been that PA appears to have no funds and if he won would have to use the PL money to finance his acquisition/buy out of KM - The Galashers did it at Manure but the income there was large enough to make it viable. Our PL money is nothing like the income of Manure and is required to fund substantial player salaries, other PL expenses plus obviously transfer fees. Anyway perhaps I'm being unduly pessimistic given the funds made available to CW and the fact he seems more than appeh. Pessimism is inbuilt after years of watching us snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I'm so enjoying the ride at the moment.

 

[BushBlade]

One of my concerns has always been that PA appears to have no funds and if he won would have to use the PL money to finance his acquisition/buy out of KM - The Galashers did it at Manure but the income there was large enough to make it viable. Our PL money is nothing like the income of Manure and is required to fund substantial player salaries, other PL expenses plus obviously transfer fees. Anyway perhaps I'm being unduly pessimistic given the funds made available to CW and the fact he seems more than appeh. Pessimism is inbuilt after years of watching us snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I'm so enjoying the ride at the moment.

If he won, he wouldn’t have to buy the ground.
If the court ruled he had to buy the ground etc at KM’s price and he used the PL money to finance it, he’d end up with a championship club with two years to get promoted before it becomes loss making again.

They’re both gamblers and they both want to own a PL club; it’s worth much more than a championship club and, if you get it right, can be self sustaining. It’s a massive prize.

Andrex may well end up leveraging the purchase of the ground against the club but it will be over a period of time and, if he’s got any acumen, will take into account any relegation. Or he might take a short term loan and sell the club on.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I began watching United in1959/60, so I had to endure the boardroom might of Dick Wragg and H.Blacow Yates doing their level best to spend the square root of fuck all in their quest to keep the peasants in their place and attendances below “14,799” every two weeks. Selling one or two of our best players every season was a hobby to them, rather like shooting grouse.

So I have to say that this afternoon’s news that we have upped our McBurnie bid to north of £15 million, possibly to £20 million, has come as a bit of a shock, but I’m heartened by the knowledge that those two sums were never, ever used in conversation by those two “worthies”....

What a time to be alive and to be a Blade, it’s made it worthwhile to have survived so long.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

I began watching United in1959/60, so I had to endure the boardroom might of Dick Wragg and H.Blacow Yates doing their level best to spend the square root of fuck all in their quest to keep the peasants in their place and attendances below “14,799” every two weeks. Selling one or two of our best players every season was a hobby to them, rather like shooting grouse.

So I have to say that this afternoon’s news that we have upped our McBurnie bid to north of £15 million, possibly to £20 million, has come as a bit of a shock, but I’m heartened by the knowledge that those two sums were never, ever used in conversation by those two “worthies”....

What a time to be alive and to be a Blade, it’s made it worthwhile to have survived so long.

Magic. Really chuffed for you, GBS. Enjoy the season ;

 

[Snowman]

I began watching United in1959/60, so I had to endure the boardroom might of Dick Wragg and H.Blacow Yates doing their level best to spend the square root of fuck all in their quest to keep the peasants in their place and attendances below “14,799” every two weeks. Selling one or two of our best players every season was a hobby to them, rather like shooting grouse.

So I have to say that this afternoon’s news that we have upped our McBurnie bid to north of £15 million, possibly to £20 million, has come as a bit of a shock, but I’m heartened by the knowledge that those two sums were never, ever used in conversation by those two “worthies”....

What a time to be alive and to be a Blade, it’s made it worthwhile to have survived so long.

Triple Salko Like. Meet Dick's son when he's up frequently. He speaks well of your father too!

 

[Nick Jansky]

I began watching United in1959/60, so I had to endure the boardroom might of Dick Wragg and H.Blacow Yates doing their level best to spend the square root of fuck all in their quest to keep the peasants in their place and attendances below “14,799” every two weeks. Selling one or two of our best players every season was a hobby to them, rather like shooting grouse.

So I have to say that this afternoon’s news that we have upped our McBurnie bid to north of £15 million, possibly to £20 million, has come as a bit of a shock, but I’m heartened by the knowledge that those two sums were never, ever used in conversation by those two “worthies”....

What a time to be alive and to be a Blade, it’s made it worthwhile to have survived so long.

Post of the year. Made me feel young!

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Post of the year. Made me feel young!

Didn’t mean it to sound like an epitaph, it’s just that “£20,000,000” and “Sheffield United “ may never have previously appeared in the same sentence.......

 

[Manuel Azaña]

Didn’t mean it to sound like an epitaph

If you do get news of your potential demise, could you at least try to do it during the summer months.
I've priced up the cost of flowers for winter and they're too expensive for me to buy.
Anyway georgebernardshaw and others who are/can read this, I wish you all a very happy SUFC season.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I began watching United in1959/60, so I had to endure the boardroom might of Dick Wragg and H.Blacow Yates doing their level best to spend the square root of fuck all in their quest to keep the peasants in their place and attendances below “14,799” every two weeks. Selling one or two of our best players every season was a hobby to them, rather like shooting grouse.

So I have to say that this afternoon’s news that we have upped our McBurnie bid to north of £15 million, possibly to £20 million, has come as a bit of a shock, but I’m heartened by the knowledge that those two sums were never, ever used in conversation by those two “worthies”....

What a time to be alive and to be a Blade, it’s made it worthwhile to have survived so long.

Wilder and his legend still in the making.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Call out the lies Sean. Two you said in a few days. Post 340.

Call them out and I will respond. Thing is I don't tell lies.

After Sean told me never to P. M. him he chose to answer this post by P.M. and I still await his apologies.

 

[SteveBlade]

 

[Woodwardfan]

Thanks for your fine reply Flatulent, appreciated.


Hope that explains my views. I am delighted with business to date and will be 'over the moon' if we sign a quality striker as I think the Mousset signing probably reflects our tight budget, being a bit of an unknown quantity. Spend another net £15m and I'll be fairly happy. Villa are well over £100m but that's not us, I know that. Maybe things will change with the new owners but that level of expenditure causes creaks and strains and even more pressure.

Hope that clears a few things up.

The further comment I have is that my underlying purpose of this thread was to support our manager who could well be under pressure in the coming months. If fans believe he has the budget he dreamed of and didn't want more, then they will have less empathy for him if things go wrong. Wilder is our only hope and fan power can keep him in his job even if we go down. If we show unity of fans and manager throughout any hard periods any new owners will take heed of the bond and should not rush to change managers. Our budget is great in SUFC terms looking back but it is small beer for the future in this league.

cheers.

Sean p.m'd me last night to tell me I had had a poor day on the Forum so I'll put into context my purpose and basis of this thread.

The above part-quote is taken from this thread and is the underlying reasoning and purpose.

I would add that my concerns were expressed as opinion and not fact at any stage. Expression of opinion and subsequent debate is what the Forum is for.

I did not revive the thread but shark behaviour soon got hold in a 'feeding frenzy ' just like the old days. Appalling spectacle really. I tried not to prolong it but had to challenge some statements made. I tried to limit that to posts with @Flatulent bob but that was a disaster.

 

[Manuel Azaña]

 

[Nick Jansky]

You

Sean p.m'd me last night to tell me I had had a poor day on the Forum so I'll put into context my purpose and basis of this thread.

The above part-quote is taken from this thread and is the underlying reasoning and purpose.

I would add that my concerns were expressed as opinion and not fact at any stage. Expression of opinion and subsequent debate is what the Forum is for.

I did not revive the thread but shark behaviour soon got hold in a 'feeding frenzy ' just like the old days. Appalling spectacle really. I tried not to prolong it but had to challenge some statements made. I tried to limit that to posts with @Flatulent bob but that was a disaster.

I think everyone is past caring to be honest. Its beyond tedious.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Yes but it was easy to anticipate that with the two owners squabbling between themselves and locked in Litigation in Court that the club could have been in a state of paralysis as neither would agree on a budget or sanction any spending.

Thank God that common sense has prevailed and that both can see that CW needed to be given a decent budget if we were to have any chance of surviving in the PL. I have to say that this bodes well for the future whoever wins the case. I am still worried about PA winning but a lot less so now he has clearly been a party to authorizing the spending.

I think they are both hoping that the other one wins and gets landed with the bill for all this...….

 

[Manuel Azaña]

I think everyone is past caring to be honest. Its beyond tedious.

Ironic that you should gain a like from the poster who really is beyond tedious with all his non stop
drivel and numerous attempts at baiting.

Should say it's par for the course, after being a member of other SUFC forums where his form on there
has sadly become part of his formbook on here too. We've had flounces by the myriad, on all forums, but still
he campaigns his threads like that of a megalomaniac wannabe dictator.

The most ironic aspect of this poster, is the tagline.....

''Never insult, denigrate or bear ill will towards a Blade. ''

What an absolute hypocritical ten word sentence, this from the poster who has openly written nothing but insulting words to ''Blades'' on here and other forums.

If it was funny, it would be laughable, but it's not, so from now on, the only way I can break myself away from HIS nonsense, is to do something I never have done in my forum life before.

#BLOCKED #IGNORED #EXCOMMUNICATED

 

[west_yorks_blade]

If you do get news of your potential demise, could you at least try to do it during the summer months.
I've priced up the cost of flowers for winter and they're too expensive for me to buy.
Anyway georgebernardshaw and others who are/can read this, I wish you all a very happy SUFC season.

And the other critical question is - what will happen to your season ticket?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

For what it's worth, I think the Court Case will not affect our immediate plans to sign new players, improve the ground to Prem standards etc. In fact, I think it will benefit us, because we will have more stability in the future and be more able to compete at Premiership level. I don't think we are "late" already either. It's only the 2nd week of June y'know?

Just wondered if Woodwardfan is feeling any better today and whether my advice to him, above, was of help, either back then, or in the future?

 

[Oreyt]

Ironic that you should gain a like from the poster who really is beyond tedious with all his non stop
drivel and numerous attempts at baiting.

Nice avatar Lazarus. I once had the pleasure of sitting about 20 feet from the Livorno fans at the Luigi Ferraris. Glad that wall of plexiglass was between us.

 

[metalblade]

Is it today that Woodwardfan apologises for the OP dad?

 

[jono_t2000]

What are the chances of an appeal in these type of cases? Basically what i want to know is once a decision is made is it final or could this drag on for years?