Fed up with links to former players

[Fiery Blade]

Whilst I understand that it's pre-season, very little visable action on the transfer front yet we keep on hearing about links to former players : Maguire, Sharp, Tonge, now Blackman and Henderson (of all people)
No thank you to any of the above and you can throw in Jordan Slew, Shaun Millar and any other United has been that is linked to the club.(Maguire excepted but he was chasing the £££)
Can we please move on and talk about something else........please !!!!

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'm fed up with links about links with former players.

I'm fed up with any links with any player until there's a signing.

I'm fed up because I started one ( or two).

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I'm starting this link

Hodgkinson, Coldwell, Shaw, Richardson, Shaw, Summers, Allchurch, Hodgson, Pace, Russell and Simpson

 

[Fiery Blade]

I'm starting this link

Hodgkinson, Coldwell, Shaw, Richardson, Shaw, Summers, Allchurch, Hodgson, Pace, Russell and Simpson

Now, that was a side and a half !

 

[Woodwardfan]

Now, that was a side and a half !

I agree but we still won nowt!

 

[UnitedBlade]

Now, that was a side and a half !

Move it on 12 months or so and you've got Len, Woody, Mick Jones and Sherman added.

If only we'd have hung on to Mick ...... That would have been a side that achieved something.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Just wait til Jags comes back in a year or two

 

[Silent Blade]

I'm starting this link

Hodgkinson, Coldwell, Shaw, Richardson, Shaw, Summers, Allchurch, Hodgson, Pace, Russell and Simpson

Poor old Kettleborough!

 

[Kev Gee]

Who is this imposter for Fiery Blade? What have you done with him?

 

[Pierre's PC]

Bladeyblade blades blades 4eva!!

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Poor old Kettleborough!

No subs in those days

 

[Fiery Blade]

I agree but we still won nowt!

But at least we were playing in the top level football (finished 7th in 1963 I think!)

 

[Fiery Blade]

Who is this imposter for Fiery Blade? What have you done with him?

Alive and kicking and keeping my powder dry !

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Now, that was a side and a half !

I agree but we still won nowt!

Move it on 12 months or so and you've got Len, Woody, Mick Jones and Sherman added.

If only we'd have hung on to Mick ...... That would have been a side that achieved something.

Would they really though?
They finished 9th in 1966, 10th in 1967 and 21st in 1968 (without Jones).
It then took them another three seasons to get promoted back to the top flight again.
Only two cup quarter finals in all those seasons as well.

All well before my time but how likely is it that team really would have achieved (i.e. won) something if we hadn't sold Jones?
No doubt we would have done better if we'd kept him but how good were they really (without rose-coloured specs)?

 

[Silent Blade]

But at least we were playing in the top level football (finished 7th in 1963 I think!)

Finished in 5th place in 1962 and 10th in 1963

 

[UnitedBlade]

Would they really though?
They finished 9th in 1966, 10th in 1967 and 21st in 1968 (without Jones).
It then took them another three seasons to get promoted back to the top flight again.

All well before my time but how likely is it that team really would have achieved (i.e. won) something if we hadn't sold Jones?
No doubt we would have done better if we'd kept him but how good were they really (without rose-coloured specs)?

Not rose coloured specs but a strongly held opinion.

Mick was 22 when we sold him having scored 63 goals in 149 League 1 games. He went on to win the League twice, Fa Cup League Cup and Fairs Cup.

We were a young side with Woody yet to get into his prime.

Don't take it from me, I only watched the flowing attacking football.

John Harris said at the time it would be the biggest mistake the club would make.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Finished in 5th place in 1962 and 10th in 1963

Thanks - can't remember what I did yesterday !

 

[coaxingstar71]

Having read a few accounts by former players including Woodward and Hemsley, it occurs to me that the main reasons we never won anything was because of the lack of management. Apparently dear old John Harris just used to say 'get stuck in' and then send the players out to work it out for themselves. Makes you wonder how we would have done with someone like Brian Clough.
We also never had what you would call any back up squad - when we stormed the 1st Div in 1971-72, we got a few injuries and there just wasn't any quality replacements so we fell away.
The other reason, which has probably been a factor since the halcyon days at the turn of the century is the continual lack of ambition by the club. No real 'marquee' signings and regularly sold our best players; Jones, Birchenall, Carlin, Currie etc etc.

With regard to the actual subject of the thread, I think it's just lazy journalism in the absence of any real transfer news. What's Paddy Kenny doing now?

 

[Woodwaaard]

Makes you wonder how we would have done with someone like Brian Clough.

It's obviously just a guess of mine; I think Mr Clough would have dropped/sold TC. Too much flair and hair for a Clough team

 

[Fiery Blade]

Having read a few accounts by former players including Woodward and Hemsley, it occurs to me that the main reasons we never won anything was because of the lack of management. Apparently dear old John Harris just used to say 'get stuck in' and then send the players out to work it out for themselves. Makes you wonder how we would have done with someone like Brian Clough.
We also never had what you would call any back up squad - when we stormed the 1st Div in 1971-72, we got a few injuries and there just wasn't any quality replacements so we fell away.
The other reason, which has probably been a factor since the halcyon days at the turn of the century is the continual lack of ambition by the club. No real 'marquee' signings and regularly sold our best players; Jones, Birchenall, Carlin, Currie etc etc.

With regard to the actual subject of the thread, I think it's just lazy journalism in the absence of any real transfer news. What's Paddy Kenny doing now?

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments regarding the sixties / early seventies teams and to your comments re: Lazy Journalism however, the thought of Billy Sharp coming back is disappointing, but, Henderson !!!!! Now that would really piss me off !

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Having read a few accounts by former players including Woodward and Hemsley, it occurs to me that the main reasons we never won anything was because of the lack of management. Apparently dear old John Harris just used to say 'get stuck in' and then send the players out to work it out for themselves. Makes you wonder how we would have done with someone like Brian Clough.
We also never had what you would call any back up squad - when we stormed the 1st Div in 1971-72, we got a few injuries and there just wasn't any quality replacements so we fell away.
The other reason, which has probably been a factor since the halcyon days at the turn of the century is the continual lack of ambition by the club. No real 'marquee' signings and regularly sold our best players; Jones, Birchenall, Carlin, Currie etc etc.

With regard to the actual subject of the thread, I think it's just lazy journalism in the absence of any real transfer news. What's Paddy Kenny doing now?

I think John Harris would have hitched his raincoat belt in another notch on hearing that - I've spoken to one or two of that team, and they all told me that JH wanted his team to play a particular way, and he relied on players like Currie, Badger and Colquhoun to make sure that did just that.

He may have said "get stuck in" to Trevor Hockey occasionally, but could have saved his breath as that was the werewolf's game

 

[coaxingstar71]

It's obviously just a guess of mine; I think Mr Clough would have dropped/sold TC. Too much flair and hair for a Clough team

Maybe but not necessarily, Alan Hinton played for him and prospered and in Clough's book he said he could never understand why Hoddle hadn't won 150 caps for England.

 

[coaxingstar71]

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments regarding the sixties / early seventies teams and to your comments re: Lazy Journalism however, the thought of Billy Sharp coming back is disappointing, but, Henderson !!!!! Now that would really piss me off !

Mick Henderson?

 

[Bladesman]

Some on this forum seem to think that going back and signing former blades that helped us get into this league as good business.

 

[Bladesway]

It's obviously just a guess of mine; I think Mr Clough would have dropped/sold TC. Too much flair and hair for a Clough team

Clough dig, ding!

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Not rose coloured specs but a strongly held opinion.

Mick was 22 when we sold him having scored 63 goals in 149 League 1 games. He went on to win the League twice, Fa Cup League Cup and Fairs Cup.

We were a young side with Woody yet to get into his prime.

Don't take it from me, I only watched the flowing attacking football.

John Harris said at the time it would be the biggest mistake the club would make.

Harvey
Reaney Charlton Hunter F.Gray
E.Gray Bremner Giles Lorimer
Clarke Jones

Off the top of my head, the Leeds team of that period was something like that.
Eleven full internationals with other full internationals also in the squad (e.g. Yorath, Madeley).
It’s not surprising that Mick Jones went on to win a few trophies as a part of that team.

I don’t really see any evidence that he would have done so if he’d stayed with us.
How many of our team of that era were full internationals?
Even if the consensus is that some (like Woodward) were unlucky to miss out. Maybe 3 or 4 at most?
They were undoubtedly one of our best teams in recent history but still well below the level of Leeds at that time.

 

[Lane Ender]

Move it on 12 months or so and you've got Len, Woody, Mick Jones and Sherman added.

If only we'd have hung on to Mick ...... That would have been a side that achieved something.

Na yer talkin

 

[Silent Blade]

Harvey
Reaney Charlton Hunter F.Gray
E.Gray Bremner Giles Lorimer
Clarke Jones

Off the top of my head, the Leeds team of that period was something like that.
Eleven full internationals with other full internationals also in the squad (e.g. Yorath, Madeley).
It’s not surprising that Mick Jones went on to win a few trophies as a part of that team.

I don’t really see any evidence that he would have done so if he’d stayed with us.
How many of our team of that era were full internationals?
Even if the consensus is that some (like Woodward) were unlucky to miss out. Maybe 3 or 4 at most?
They were undoubtedly one of our best teams in recent history but still well below the level of Leeds at that time.

Terry Cooper as well, he played well in the 1970 World Cup

 

[Woodwaaard]

Clough dig, ding!

It wasn't a dig a Mr Clough. I think you'll find that he is universally regarded as one of the best English managers that there's ever been
His midfield selections weren't usually populated with Tony Currie types; more often they were the hardest working, dedicated professional players who were promoted above their abililty and would "kill" to stay in the team.