Expect it to be Clough

[Latters]

Interestingly enough I have had a message on FB and text that Clough is a racist and not to touch him. 1 person with no association to either Derby or Sheff Utd and the other doesn't even like football! Make of this what you will but do we have another Kendall on our hands

A very good manager? I hope so.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Nigel Clough is a wet lettuce. Yet another "name" without the substance.
His record couldn't be more mediocre if it tried.
He turned Derby into the dullest team in the league.
Boring football, mid-table forever.
You could come back in 30 years and still know Clough's Derby were mid-table.

Get fooking Russell Slade or Paul Cox on the bleeding blower ffs.

 

[BladeFisher]

A very good manager? I hope so.

We can employ racists, just not fascists.

Given the ethnic mix in football what the hell is somebody's skin colour/ethnicity to do with it? There are a hell of a lot of black footballers in League football these days, in some areas possibly most of the club. To have such views would see you failing spectacularly. Like not employing women in other areas of society. Get real, these sort of attitudes are crackers.

Judge people on being sensible and reasonable human beings, not on their ethnicity, gender or err orientation.

 

[oldblade]

That is precisely what we do not need. We want a football team. You are advocating Sunday league pub football. It's nonsense like this that perpetuates our wretched prehistoric Hoof reputation. I bet you drink lager and like watching Tug-O-War.

Congratulations. You win a LOBA.

You are very good at pouring scorn on others whilst we nosedive towards the fourth division.

So come on, tell us who you want and how you think he can get us promoted, or at least avoid the relegation we are charging towards.

 

[oldblade]

Clough is excellent man and great manager he would do a top job here.

In our current position he would be a very poor choice.

 

[MCFC]

Dean Saunders is actually an interesting name there..

 

[BladeFisher]

In our current position he would be a very poor choice.

Who is your choice or should I say preference, (bearing in mind who you might like and who we might get could be poles apart) OB?

 

[oldblade]

Who is your choice or should I say preference, (bearing in mind who you might like and who we might get could be poles apart) OB?

I would like Grayson if we can get him. A very long shot, but not entirely unattainable.

 

[cooperblade]

Dean Saunders is actually an interesting name there..

When you say interesting to mean terrifying? An awful, awful manager who somehow manages to be more deluded than Dave Moans or Kevin Blackwell.

I asked a Wolves fan on twitter who knows the game for his thoughts on Saunders

"He'd be the death, the end, the final straw, the no-way-back moment for your once great club."

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Paul Cox 369 matches Win% 50.95%
Nigel Clough 942 matches Win% 41.19%

Yet Paul Cox seems to be completely ignored as a candidate, basically cos nobody has ever heard of him.
I'd go with the guy who has won things, not been stuck in mid-table for 5 years.

 

[sheffielder]

Paul Cox 369 matches Win% 50.95%
Nigel Clough 942 matches Win% 41.19%

Yet Paul Cox seems to be completely ignored as a candidate, basically cos nobody has ever heard of him.
I'd go with the guy who has won things, not been stuck in mid-table for 5 years.

Are you trying to compare a non league record against someone in the Championship?

 

[sitwell]

My next door neighbour worked for him at Doncaster and says the same.In answer to Saunders.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Are you trying to compare a non league record against someone in the Championship?

Clough was a non-league manager before Derby took a chance on him.

Paul Cox has had a consistently better record in the non-league than Clough had.

 

[alcoblade]

Paul Cox 369 matches Win% 50.95%
Nigel Clough 942 matches Win% 41.19%

Yet Paul Cox seems to be completely ignored as a candidate, basically cos nobody has ever heard of him.
I'd go with the guy who has won things, not been stuck in mid-table for 5 years.

Having just looked at Paul Cox's managerial record, I'd go for that.

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[sheffielder]

Clough was a non-league manager before Derby took a chance on him.

Paul Cox has had a consistently better record in the non-league than Clough had.

You were comparing win % of a team in the championship against one the biggest spenders in the conference though. Someone said last week that we had approached his agent though. Nothing against him either and the more i think of Clough the more I am unsure. RObinson remains my number 1 choice as I think he has the personality to get these players going

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Are you trying to compare a non league record against someone in the Championship?

It's about getting a team to punch above their weight.
Derby are a fairly big club who you would expect to be at least mid-table in the second tier.
Cox took Eastwood up to the stage where they couldn't go any higher becuase their ground wasn't up to scratch. Now he's repeating the trick with Mansfield.
Evans has done similar with Boston, Crawley and Rotherham.
Johnson has with Yeovil, Pulis has with Gillingham and Stoke etc..

 

[metalblade]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

This is why we will never get anywhere. The club, the fans, all obsessed with names. Clough has done absolutely fuck all in management. Robson had done absolutely fuck all. Wilson has done fuck all. Weir had obviously done fuck all. Saunders has done fuck all.

Suggest someone who has a virtually perfect management record so far, ooh no we can't him he's League 2 rubbish. Well don't worry about it Blades, so will we be when we get yet another useless fucking name in as manager.

 

[alcoblade]

It's about getting a team to punch above their weight.
Derby are a fairly big club who you would expect to be at least mid-table in the second tier.
Cox took Eastwood up to the stage where they couldn't go any higher becuase their ground wasn't up to scratch. Now he's repeating the trick with Mansfield.
Evans has done similar with Crawley and Rotherham.
Johnson has with Yeovil, Pulis has with Stoke etc..

This^^^^.

It's all about proving you know what winning is about, not taking about it or promising "nice" things.. The gems are hidden because their relative success goes under the radar.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

You were comparing win % of a team in the championship against one the biggest spenders in the conference though. Someone said last week that we had approached his agent though. Nothing against him either and the more i think of Clough the more I am unsure. RObinson remains my number 1 choice as I think he has the personality to get these players going

I see your point, no you can't compare very well but like i said Cox has a better non-league record than Clough had. Mansfield were 50/1 to win the Conference at one point last season, then went on a crazy run to win it comfortably. Clough has consistently proven he can't get Derby anywhere near the promotion race. The only reason anybody wants him is cos of his name.

I'm almost certain we won't go for Cox, purely cos the fans would be pissing and whinging about lack of ambition etc going for a nobody. Really annoys me that, we need a manager who can win games not get interview time on Sky. Cox has an incredible record so far, nobody knows if he can do it at a higher level but "names" like Clough, Saunders etc have already proven they can't. Whoever is the next manager is a risk, we could bring Di Matteo in and nobody can guarantee he will get us winning. So if anybody says Cox would be a risk is making a pretty pointless comment.

 

[JohnDenver]

This is why we will never get anywhere. The club, the fans, all obsessed with names. Clough has done absolutely fuck all in management. Robson had done absolutely fuck all. Wilson has done fuck all. Weir had obviously done fuck all. Saunders has done fuck all.

Suggest someone who has a virtually perfect management record so far, ooh no we can't him he's League 2 rubbish. Well don't worry about it Blades, so will we be when we get yet another useless fucking name in as manager.

Ideally we choose a manager who knows how to succeed in the very division we're in. Aside from the fact I'd not have sacked Wilson, Gary Johnson would have done for me in the summer. But now I can't see any candidates we could prise away from their clubs, and who fit our remit.

Besides, I genuinely rate what Clough did at Derby. I wish he'd done the same for us rather than our slow death under Blackwell and co. Despite the size of Derby as a club, they've not spent a bean. Clough enabled them to survive and developed young team to sustain that.

Finally and most importantly, we need to minimise the negative effects of losing a manager. The aims and methods of the club shouldn't be allowed to veer wildly with each appointment. We cannot afford to rebuild a squad each time a new manager comes in. Our stated strategy of promoting youth and sustaining a certain club-wide style is something we've put in place to help us succeed - it's not cosmetic. Appoint Pulis or Warnock and we're back putting all our eggs in one manager's basket.

 

[davidpinder]

It's just that in 15 years of trying he hasn't stumbled on the right formula. One division 6 promotion aside.

Credentials - Fuck all.
Inspiration - Fuck all.
Excitement - Fuck all.
Association with nothing blow in the wind football at the expense of effectiveness - Tick
Cheap and available - Tick.

The appointment of Clough would put the nail in the coffin of "game changing" investment. Not that I expected it.

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Does that mean you don't want clough??

 

[alcoblade]

Besides, I genuinely rate what Clough did at Derby..

Seriously? Treading water in the Championship for 5 years, after slightly more than treading water in the Conference for 10 years?

. Appoint Pulis or Warnock and we're back putting all our eggs in one manager's basket.

I agree here to a large extent. But there's an awful lot in between. And proven success should score a lot higher than "did and ever so reasonable job under slightly below average circumstances"

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Does that mean you don't want clough??

Well, are those things disputable? Make of it what you will.



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[davidpinder]

Well, are those things disputable? Make of it what you will.



UTB

Ha ha ha

 

[metalblade]

Does that mean you don't want clough??

If so I'll 2nd that. Anyone but Clough.

 

[sheffielder]

It's alright lads, it's Karl Robinson. I have tweeted him to offer him some of my winnings

 

[JohnDenver]

Seriously? Treading water in the Championship for 5 years, after treading water in the Conference for 10 years?




I agree here to an extent. But there's an awful lot in between. And proven success should score a lot higher than "did and ever so reasonable job under slightly below average circumstances"

UTB

Yes, seriously. Far too many other clubs in those circumstances collapsed. If Derby had been buying rather than selling in these years then I'd agree.

We could continue to play managerial roulette and we might get lucky. Eventually. But I don't see many other options in the "awful lot in between". It's not that Clough is the new Messiah, but of the realistic options he's right up there.

 

[LSF]

I bet you are a train spotter possibly a civil servant and drinks the odd red wine

Bet Pinchy pissed himself at this one

 

[alcoblade]

Yes, seriously. Far too many other clubs in those circumstances collapsed. If Derby had been buying rather than selling in these years then I'd agree.

We could continue to play managerial roulette and we might get lucky. Eventually. But I don't see many other options in the "awful lot in between". It's not that Clough is the new Messiah, but of the realistic options he's right up there.

If you don't think there's "an awful lot in between", then you're just been led by "available". There's nothing else to go on. The stats speak loudly for themselves. "Did OK under the circumstances" would be considered extreme flattery here.

If we can't extract the likes of Paul Cox from Mansfield then I'd have to agree, he might be our best option. Fuck me, how bad is that? I'm afraid I'll have 2 lads who'll probably jack it it though if we have any more of this blandness coming our way.

"Game changing" - my arse.

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