Embarrassed.

[Foxy]

Wombwell blade is spot on with what he says. People paying at the gate are customers and have a right to complain.

My point is not that people have no right to voice displeasure... More the methods that are currently employed and how they also effect the end product.

However, my point seemingly doesn't seem to come across to many.

I must point out though, that people have absolutely no right to abuse in the way in which some do, no matter how much a person gets paid.

 

[Stafford Blade]

True thats if we are treating the place as a business and not a football club.

Most here would complain to the club shop if their united shirt had fallen to bits.

and don't get me started on why my free shirt hasn't arrived yet

 

[super_pig]

>However, my point seemingly doesn't seem to come across to many.
oh your point is getting across.. it's just that we don't agree with you

 

[Foxy]

oh your point is getting across.. it's just that we don't agree with you

It's just the direct responses seem to completely ignore my point and instead focus upon points I haven't actually made

Out of interest, to all those who don't agree.... am I to presume I spent my childhood growing up as a blade completely misreading the attitude and etiquette of our fan base in comparison to others? and how so?

 

[super_pig]

i'm not sure how or why the attitude of the fans have changed.. just to make clear i 'never' boo the shirt even if s. quinn is wearing it .. i can't put my finger on it but the fans aren't happy about something

 

[Muttley]

True thats if we are treating the place as a business and not a football club.

Most here would complain to the club shop if their united shirt had fallen to bits.

Well they keep telling us that that's what it is, a BUSINESS!!

 

[Bladesman]

It's just the direct responses seem to completely ignore my point and instead focus upon points I haven't actually made

Out of interest, to all those who don't agree.... am I to presume I spent my childhood growing up as a blade completely misreading the attitude and etiquette of our fan base in comparison to others? and how so?

Now you have to accept the fact that some football fans who have no doubt had a few drinks and parted with a cool £400+ for a season ticket just maybe just maybe they might want to express at how utterly pissed off they are. Especially when having to witness a performance like that tonight.

Wrongly as we all know a stern letter should be sent to the club expressing their views and perhaps giving McCabe a call. Also perhaps they could let it all out on the many SUFC forums there are on the internet. Although unfortunatly my dear Foxy they are pissed and angry plus they are already at the club watching the game so they may aswell vent their anger there.

 

[super_pig]

heh.. <chuckle> well bladesman isn't happy.. i think most of us would agree we should be doing better?

 

[Kenilworth]

I didn't boo but there's no way I'd criticise anyone who did. You didn't see what was served up tonight either.
And the notion that we all sit down and express our views on the internet is cobblers.
They hear it where they should hear it, on the pitch. Same as the cheers they get when they're performing as they should.

Spot on Len. If you confine your derision to a bloody keyboard no one at the club will ever hear about it. Save it til the end of the game is my policy.

I never Boo Blades players during a match (not that I could make the game tonight) but I did start a thread to express my utter disgust at the recent performances since half time vs the Pigs. Knew I would get slagged off about it but that's life. It seems our little darlinga are almost beyond reproach according to some. FFS, these are highly paid professionals who are failing to do the basics. I have seen all the goals on Sky and it is not pretty viewing. Bunn is having a shocking time at the moment with those long range efforts ghosting past his holographic palms.

The players problem is that the more footballers get paid, especially in this recession, the further away they get from the ordinary supporter. I felt much closer to the likes of Badger, Currie, Woodward, Edwards, Morris, Agana, Deane etc than any of these guys these days. It's compounded by the excesses of the players who "grace" the Premiership and the European Champions League. It's all becomming obscene so when a bloke who works his bollocks off all week goes to watch his team he expects to be entertained and has a right to expect a level of performance and effort consistent with the status the players have. Unfortunately the standard is not there.

 

[super_pig]

>holographic palms
heh lmao.. quality post mate..

 

[Foxy]

Now you have to accept the fact that some football fans who have no doubt had a few drinks and parted with a cool £400+ for a season ticket just maybe just maybe they might want to express at how utterly pissed off they are. Especially when having to witness a performance like that tonight.

I'm a football fan who has done exactly that and on top travels all over the country week-in, week-out. It hurts me as much if not more than exactly the people you describe... Believe me, it's no more a bag of laughs driving three and a half hours back from Wales than it is throwing the radio at the wall in frustration.

I understand the frustration, I really do. What I mistakenly thought, was that the Blades were different to the petulant, whiney, pathetic looking people we used to laugh at and take the piss out of.

We used to have a laugh and still get behind the lads EVEN when down away from home and looking pathetic, now you are fairly lucky if someone isn't nutting you for not booing Henderson whilst we are two-nil up.

Please don't talk down to me like a game like tonights doesn't hurt me, I've been hurt many a time in many a stadium by the Blades... I'm no different.

 

[Bladesman]

I'm a football fan who has done exactly that and on top travels all over the country week-in, week-out. It hurts me as much if not more than exactly the people you describe... Believe me, it's no more a bag of laughs driving three and a half hours back from Wales than it is throwing the radio at the wall in frustration.

I understand the frustration, I really do. What I mistakenly thought, was that the Blades were different to the petulant, whiney, pathetic looking people we used to laugh at and take the piss out of.

We used to have a laugh and still get behind the lads EVEN when down away from home and looking pathetic, now you are fairly lucky if someone isn't nutting you for not booing Henderson whilst we are two-nil up.

Please don't talk down to me like a game like tonights doesn't hurt me, I've been hurt many a time in many a stadium by the Blades... I'm no different.

You are different you express your views differently to other people. Others scream and shout and some walk away go home and kick the cat.

You need to accept other people are not the same as you even if they are blades fans. Even more so when they are tanked up which most football fans are on a match day.

Booing isnt right but they certainly have the right to do so even if it is seen as wrong by most fans.

 

[Guesty]

Now I have booed on the very odd occasion, when the performance is particularly gutless (e.g. most of Robson's reign) but I really dislike people jeering every time we're losing at HT. What the hell do they expect, us to win every bloody game? Our first half tonight was pretty dire I suppose, but even so.

 

[super_pig]

great post foxy.. brought a tear to the eye that did (NOT being sarcastic btw)
like i say i don't know why the fans are reacting like they are.. i can only speculate the elastic is breaking.. fans are fed up of being the bridesmaid all of the time.. they are running out of patience aren't they?
your question is a good one.. i can't answer it..

 

[Foxy]

You are different you express your views differently to other people. Others scream and shout and some walk away go home and kick the cat.

You need to accept other people are not the same as you even if they are blades fans. Even more so when they are tanked up which most football fans are on a match day.

Booing isnt right but they certainly have the right to do so even if it is seen as wrong by most fans.

Again, re-read my whole point.

As I keep stating, I'm not saying I don't expect it, or that I don't understand it or that I don't accept it.

I've already said I'm not saying that people haven't got the right.

But I'm going to stop trying to explain, like I said I would earlier, as it seems to fail to come across in many a case.

 

[Fiery Blade]

I have never booed the team never booed the play But tonight that was dire!!!
I feel the team don't want to play for Blackwell any more!

 

[Foxy]

I feel the team don't want to play for Blackwell any more!

I imagine that'd be why they came back to 3-3 and could have unjustly nicked it at the death... Just to show him how much they hate him and want him out

 

[Fiery Blade]

I imagine that'd be why they came back to 3-3 and could have unjustly nicked it at the death... Just to show him how much they hate him and want him out

In the end we got out of gaol but even you Foxy can't say we were not second best on the night,
The reason I put forward this theory was based on observations of both Blackwell and the players reactions during the game. I may have misread but Walker, Monty and Harper were having 'verbals' with Blackwell during the entire second half.
I don't think the players 'hate' Blackwell as you put it rather I think most of them disagree with the tactics the man employs
Just a theory

 

[Foxy]

In the end we got out of gaol but even you Foxy can't say we were not second best on the night,

You are correct, I can't. But being second best does not mean the manager has lost the dressing room.

The reason I put forward this theory was based on observations of both Blackwell and the players reactions during the game. I may have misread but Walker, Monty and Harper were having 'verbals' with Blackwell during the entire second half.

Walker has "verbals" with someone every week. Every time he makes a mistake (which at the moment is regularly) he has a go at someone else about it. Time and time again he's given Bunn poor, short backpasses and then blamed him.

I don't think the players 'hate' Blackwell as you put it rather I think most of them disagree with the tactics the man employs
Just a theory

They may well disagree, but the thing I always find interesting is that often when you look at Blackwell, he is signalling and shouting exactly what the majority of the crowd is thinking.

 

[cooperblade]

Do people think we'll suddenly turn into Brazil if they sarcastically cheer any short pass?

We did for a while!

In amongst all the shit we actually had a couple of decent spells in the 2nd half. We had enough chances to win the game to be honest.

I didn't have a massive problem with the sarcastic cheers at first, it was just when people got carried away and started booing measured 40 yard passes and cheering Robson-esque passages of play where we made 15 square passes across the back 4.

Blackwell has talked a lot about the need to mix up the style of play and I think he's right. The problem is that the passing and moving bits seem to get forgotten for a few weeks at a time! Hopefully the reaction of the crowd last night will see a return to us passing the ball a bit more.

I'm not a purist and would hate to watch a team like Swansea. I like to watch high tempo stuff with plenty of balls into the box, at our best we're good at that style of play and, again at our best, I think we achieve it through a mixture of short and long balls.

 

[Fiery Blade]

AS I have said before Foxy, I could never have imagined Brian Clough barking instructions and his team not paying any attention

 

[shorehamview]

Why boo a player before he's kicked a ball for us? That's like complaining about your meal in a restaurant as the waiter is putting it on the table. At least taste it first.

 

[Foxy]

We did for a while!

In amongst all the shit we actually had a couple of decent spells in the 2nd half. We had enough chances to win the game to be honest.

We do that anyway, as we always mix it up, it's just when we lose everyone is insistent it was ALL hoof.

I didn't have a massive problem with the sarcastic cheers at first, it was just when people got carried away and started booing measured 40 yard passes and cheering Robson-esque passages of play where we made 15 square passes across the back 4.

The best one for me was when they started booing a Taylor cross, assuming it was crap, only for it to actually be a good ball and create a good chance.

Kinda went BOOOOOOOOOOOO........OOOOOO!!! (of the "that was close" variety, not continued boo).

Even then, they didn't realise how stupid it sounded and continued to boo good balls.

 

[MAQ]

Why boo a player before he's kicked a ball for us? That's like complaining about your meal in a restaurant as the waiter is putting it on the table. At least taste it first.

my feelings exactly last night, i couldnt believe the simpletons booing a player that has decided to join us, before he's even done anything. Stupidity

 

[Rodders]

The best one for me was when they started booing a Taylor cross, assuming it was crap, only for it to actually be a good ball and create a good chance.

Kinda went BOOOOOOOOOOOO........OOOOOO!!! (of the "that was close" variety, not continued boo).

Even then, they didn't realise how stupid it sounded and continued to boo good balls.

I remember saying "not from there" when Browny volleyed it past Pressman vs the Pigs :fishbowl::bummer:

 

[Northyorksblade]

We did for a while!

In amongst all the shit we actually had a couple of decent spells in the 2nd half. We had enough chances to win the game to be honest.

I didn't have a massive problem with the sarcastic cheers at first, it was just when people got carried away and started booing measured 40 yard passes and cheering Robson-esque passages of play where we made 15 square passes across the back 4.

I'm not a purist and would hate to watch a team like Swansea. I like to watch high tempo stuff with plenty of balls into the box, at our best we're good at that style of play and, again at our best, I think we achieve it through a mixture of short and long balls.

The problem was that after the booing, players were then nervous about playing a long ball. I saw Morgs actually hesitate and then play sideways, when the better ball at that moment, would have been a punt up the field.

 

[matth]

Do you know what embarrasses me?

The fact that some Blades would rather moan at other supporters who don't share their view - whatever view that may be.

Live and let live. Those who don't like what other people do - tough. Live with it. They've paid their money, they have a right to do what they like. Get down off your fucking high horses.

Honestly. The team put in a 'performance' like that and all some people can find to moan about is other fans.

 

[MAQ]

Do you know what embarrasses me?

The fact that some Blades would rather moan at other supporters who don't share their view - whatever view that may be.

Live and let live. Those who don't like what other people do - tough. Live with it. They've paid their money, they have a right to do what they like. Get down off your fucking high horses.

Honestly. The team put in a 'performance' like that and all some people can find to moan about is other fans.

Live and let live by all means, but regardless of the fact that we have all paid the money to watch them, who in there right mind believes that booing the team is productive. Yes it may get a point over about the feelings at that time, but for the players having 20000+ booing your every move is like having your boss booing you in your ear all day long.

I cant speak for anyone else, but for me that certainly wouldnt make me want to work any harder.

 

[matth]

Doesn't matter whether it's productive or not. That's completely beside the point. I'd like to see some clear, scientifically proven evidence of whether the crowd does have an actual effect anyway, based on something other than opinion.

The crowd's reaction was exactly that - a reaction. A reaction to a performance devoid of tactics, of guile, of passion and of responsibility. If the players don't like it - play better.

 

[Foxy]

Do you know what embarrasses me?

The fact that some Blades would rather moan at other supporters who don't share their view - whatever view that may be.

The thing which many seem to have missed in this thread, is that i'm not even saying I have a different opinion, I just cannot fathom the way it is put across. It has got to the stage where we compare with exactly what we used to take the piss out of and pity.

Live and let live. Those who don't like what other people do - tough. Live with it. They've paid their money, they have a right to do what they like. Get down off your fucking high horses.

You are right, where the rights stop is the personal abuse that it turns into. Then the threatening of others who don't agree.

I'm not on any high horse, I'm just expressing my opinion that we used to be different, we used to support on a whole rather than what we are doing now. This makes me feel embarrassed. That isn't to say I'm right, I'm merely expressing my feelings, just like the people who booed Cresswell onto the pitch.

Honestly. The team put in a 'performance' like that and all some people can find to moan about is other fans.

Trust me, I have more than enough to moan about where the performance is concerned. The sad thing for me is, recently that is fairly insignificant compared to my feelings on the way things are going on the stands.