'Ejected for persistent standing'

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I didn’t have you down as someone who fraternises with criminals!

That's my whole point. Criminals get banned by the Courts. And those are enforced by the Courts & Law & there are real consequences in breaking those bans. Club bans though, paaaah, if something criminal had happened they wouldn't be using a powder puff club ban.

 

[Houston_Blade]

That's my whole point. Criminals get banned by the Courts. And those are enforced by the Courts & Law & there are real consequences in breaking those bans. Club bans though, paaaah, if something criminal had happened they wouldn't be using a powder puff club ban.

Even being of acquaintance with these ‘standers’ shocks me if I’m honest. You seem too much of an upstanding member of society to have anything to do with these oiks.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Even being of acquaintance with these ‘standers’ shocks me if I’m honest. You seem too much of an upstanding member of society to have anything to do with these oiks.

I'm proud to say I took the Truth & Reconciliation Commission some time ago & have come out the other side. But, for example, I was deported from Italia '90 .... twice.

 

[Trigger Blade]

It says allegedly…was he persistent standing or not?

The allegation refers to his ejection, although the question remains the same, was he ejected or just alleged to have been ejected. You’d think the club would know

 

[Rhyll Grease]

The allegation refers to his ejection, although the question remains the same, was he ejected or just alleged to have been ejected. You’d think the club would know

Think it was just a typo - the allegation actually referred to his 'erection' and persistent standing......was he erected or just alleged to have been erected though? Its a hard one.....

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

To be honest, I hate standing up at a match. £30 - £40 to not sit in a seat. Bizarre.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

And the people all said siddarn,
siddarn your blocking mi view.
Then the people all said stand up
stand up cause the football is poo...

And I'm here all week......

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Grew up as a Blade standing on the terraces. There isn't much room between seats for sitting down and to be honest my legs just aren't that bendy anymore. Wonder if you can be registered 'unbendy?'

 

[Plymouthblade]

As my Mum used to say if I got in the way of the TV “thad mek a gud doo-er”.

Tha meks a better doo er than a winn der

 

[SwissBlade]

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Go on, own up who was this?

It was a West Brom fan. Two were ejected just before the end of the match. They were from a section of fans who spent most of the match baiting Blades fans:-

As you say, if it was the same bloke, it was a bit strange, they were 4-0 up and there was a small handfull of them that were gesturing to Blades fans from the end of the stand to the right of the away end.

We couldn't tell what the one lad did to have 4 coppers/ stewards escort him out, but he was resisting it, so probably didn't help himself.

I saw this letter on twitter the other day and just assumed that it was a very soft response from the club - you're banned but come and see the headmaster and say you're a naughty boy and we might reconsider. Fair enough from the club. Followed procedure.

What was even more bizarre was the other bloke who was filming him and was also asked to leave.

As for persistent standing the entire away end stood for the entire game, so i guess that the fella can ask why he was ejected for something that the away end was doing.
Gesturing and baiting was going on all game, a couple of young blades in front of me were giving wanker signs to the home fans all game, seemed pretty pointless.

It all seems a bit daft

 

[Grey Blade]

We couldn't tell what the one lad did to have 4 coppers/ stewards escort him out, but he was resisting it, so probably didn't help himself.

I'm relieved someone else saw the same incident! I was beginning to think I'd been hallucinating. He certainly put up a struggle and if it's the same individual, he certainly didn't do anything to help himself. One for the "pathetic examples of hooliganism" thread

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Seems harsh when you consider they had the ball in the net 6 times… 90% of the crowd could’ve been banned for persistent standing!

 

[benn5712]

Does this include any visits to the toilet?

 

[Deleted member 1486]

That's my whole point. Criminals get banned by the Courts. And those are enforced by the Courts & Law & there are real consequences in breaking those bans. Club bans though, paaaah, if something criminal had happened they wouldn't be using a powder puff club ban.

You say that, but business (epsecially retail businesses) often issue people with bans because it elevates subsequent offences from theft/assult/whatever to theft/assault/whatever with tresspass (aka Burglary or Aggrevated Buglary).

You get a slap on the wrist for one, and potentially jail for the other, so it's a no brainer to issue (eg) a shoplifter with a ban on the first occasion, then press for a buglary charge the next time they do it.

 

[BadgersBigToe]

Does this include any visits to the toilet?

Sit down wees only

 

[benn5712]

Sit down wees only

Leave the seat up, me.
That'll learn em !

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm relieved someone else saw the same incident! I was beginning to think I'd been hallucinating. He certainly put up a struggle and if it's the same individual, he certainly didn't do anything to help himself. One for the "pathetic examples of hooliganism" thread

Me and my mate were laughing, i know there is a lot of injustice in the world and the coppers did seem heavy handed, but seemed like he wanted to fight the world to win his freedom and get back to his seat... to stand

Was it him that seemed to appear a little later on or was that the blade that had (what looked like) his season card chucked on the pitch by his mate

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

You say that, but business (epsecially retail businesses) often issue people with bans because it elevates subsequent offences from theft/assult/whatever to theft/assault/whatever with tresspass (aka Burglary or Aggrevated Buglary).

You get a slap on the wrist for one, and potentially jail for the other, so it's a no brainer to issue (eg) a shoplifter with a ban on the first occasion, then press for a buglary charge the next time they do it.

Persistent standing (for eg) & some other shit Clubs will ban you for are NOT criminal acts. So the club CAN'T escalate the next time in the way you describe. They can of course ask you to leave. Which you should politely do.

 

[Balham]

To be honest, I hate standing up at a match. £30 - £40 to not sit in a seat. Bizarre.

At 6'3" I rarely have a choice. It's usually £30 for a seat with so little legroom that I physically can't sit down.

 

[SwissBlade]

At 6'3" I rarely have a choice. It's usually £30 for a seat with so little legroom that I physically can't sit down.

Just buy two seats in two different rows.

 

[Balham]

Just buy two seats in two different rows.

We're not all made of money.

 

[Grey Blade]

Me and my mate were laughing, i know there is a lot of injustice in the world and the coppers did seem heavy handed, but seemed like he wanted to fight the world to win his freedom and get back to his seat... to stand

Was it him that seemed to appear a little later on or was that the blade that had (what looked like) his season card chucked on the pitch by his mate

I only observed the initial struggling ejection followed closely by a non-struggling expulsion. I didn't see anything else. I was too busy enjoying watching the game

 

[Cassius Kray]

You say that, but business (epsecially retail businesses) often issue people with bans because it elevates subsequent offences from theft/assult/whatever to theft/assault/whatever with tresspass (aka Burglary or Aggrevated Buglary).

You get a slap on the wrist for one, and potentially jail for the other, so it's a no brainer to issue (eg) a shoplifter with a ban on the first occasion, then press for a buglary charge the next time they do it.

Persistent standing (for eg) & some other shit Clubs will ban you for are NOT criminal acts. So the club CAN'T escalate the next time in the way you describe. They can of course ask you to leave. Which you should politely do.

I think you're both slightly wrong

Standing absolutely isn't a criminal act, but Flawed's suggestion is that if a club bans someone from their ground then, if they're found to have breached that ban, they can be found guilty of trespass. Which again isn't criminal in this case, but is an 'escalation'. Also, if someone is found in breach of a club ban the club absolutely could seek redress in the courts, it's just a civil matter.

That said, Flawed also seems to be suggesting that if the club feels the person has the potential to commit a criminal offence in the future (such as assault) then the fact that they are also trespassing would be an aggravating factor which would increase the seriousness of the offence. I don't see that in the Sentencing Guidelines. Also, I don't think 'assault with trespass' is a thing and 'aggravated burglary' is specifically related to the use of weapons (perhaps he's thinking of the fact that theft + trespass = burglary, but that's a specific thing not really relevant to standing at football).

However! If someone has been banned from the club, goes to a game anyway, and intimidates, obstructs or disrupts people partaking in a 'lawful activity' then that could be considered Aggravated Trespass, which is a criminal offence. You could potentially make a case that standing & blocking people's view, shouting etc, would fall under that - even if the actions would not be criminal if the person wasn't trespassing.

I think. I'm no lawyer. I only came on here to discuss the Derby game...