Duffy Replacement

[Isaw Joeshaw]

The two players who get shuffled in and out of the team more than anyone happen to be our leading goalscorer and main creator. I'm hoping there's not some grudge match going on courtesy of this tweeting episode in the summer.

Yes , I'm hoping so too but wouldn't take any bets on it , particularly since neither of them were in the team for the opening match of the season .

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Yes , I'm hoping so too but wouldn't take any bets on it , particularly since neither of them were in the team for the opening match of the season .

What utter drivel.

Is there anything you've seen that leads you to believe Wilder is petty minded. Or is he the kind of bloke to front up if he's got an issue with you?

When it comes to team selection I'm 100% convinced Wilder picks the best team in his mind to win the game and isn't playing silly little games because a players wife called him a name...

 

[snootyfenooty]

What utter drivel.

Is there anything you've seen that leads you to believe Wilder is petty minded. Or is he the kind of bloke to front up if he's got an issue with you?

When it comes to team selection I'm 100% convinced Wilder picks the best team in his mind to win the game and isn't playing silly little games because a players wife called him a name...

We can all be mardy arses when we want to be as this forum illustrates perfectly on a regular basis. Wilder is no exception.

 

[Booker4]

Can see Luke Freeman still being an option in January but wouldn't mind a cheeky bid for Jota given Birmingham City's FFP plight. They'd probably want the money they paid for him back (6 million) so we'd probably only be interested if we were right up near the top and thought iut was worth the risk so he's probably unrealistic.

Still wouldn't mind Marcus Maddison if we're going for a cheaper option to develop.

I do think Woodburn's lack of success thus far, leaves too much pressure on Duffy and its a similar thing with Leon. As god a window as its being we badly needed players coming in those two positions that were at least as good if not better but sadly we didn't manage it and we'e now over reliant on too ageing players and in Leon's case when it doesn't go for him he looks a yard short.

Hopefully we'll be there of thereabouts in January and can get at least one quality player in the attacking mid or up top.

 

[robbiez666]

Didn't Coutts start out as an attacking midfielder before his first major injury? The issue with him now might acceleration.

 

[BushBlade]

Can see Luke Freeman still being an option in January but wouldn't mind a cheeky bid for Jota given Birmingham City's FFP plight. They'd probably want the money they paid for him back (6 million) so we'd probably only be interested if we were right up near the top and thought iut was worth the risk so he's probably unrealistic.

Still wouldn't mind Marcus Maddison if we're going for a cheaper option to develop.

I do think Woodburn's lack of success thus far, leaves too much pressure on Duffy and its a similar thing with Leon. As god a window as its being we badly needed players coming in those two positions that were at least as good if not better but sadly we didn't manage it and we'e now over reliant on too ageing players and in Leon's case when it doesn't go for him he looks a yard short.

Hopefully we'll be there of thereabouts in January and can get at least one quality player in the attacking mid or up top.

Maddison’s not started a league game this season under Evans. It’s very rare to pick up a decent player in the JTW. In fact, under CW we haven’t signed one. O’Shea, Hanson, Carruthers, Leonard, Evans, Wilson.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Duffy would be very difficult to replace , I think he deserves a lot more recognition that what he gets and as a few have said it’s no coincidence that our better performances are when he’s in the side and in his game .
I like Freeman at QPR he plays a similar role & was disappointed when our reported interest in him pre-season didn’t come into fruition. I think the scouting team may have to cast their nets beyond the borders of Britain to find a similar creative player .
Failing all that I think we should make a cheeky bid for Ruben Neves & possibly tempt him pictures of the glorious Sheffield riviera ?

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Or Lee Tomlin out of picture at Cardiff had a decent loan spell at Forest

 

[The Jackdaw]

Marcus Maddison

 

[1993]

Duffy is getting on. For 50 minutes he's sensational, after though, he's largely ineffective.

Woodburn is the only obvious replacement, and I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not comfortable with this.

One possibility I would like us to try, is John Fleck in that role. We only know him as a MC, but he started his career as a forward (he was actually tipped to be the Scottish Wayne Rooney).

Don't get me wrong, I think Fleck is a better MC than AMC, but when Duffy is tired/unavailable I think he is possibly a better option than Woodburn.

We'd be missing a great MC, but I feel that's an area where we have better backup. I don't think Lundstram is a world beater, but I'd sooner have him on the pitch with Woodburn, and Coutts will be back soon too.

It may leave us without enough bite, and Fleck might not be suitable for the role, but I think we should try it, otherwise every time Duffy fades, we're essentially out of ideas.

Thoughts?


P.S. it probabaly wouldn't have worked last night, considering Fleck had a stinker by his standards, but still one to try, IMO.

Often thought about pushing Fleck further forward before, especially later on in games. Man City used to do something similar with Yaya Toure a few years ago. Around 60 minutes they'd bring on Nigel De Jong for an attacking midfielder and push Toure further forward. Would also give us the chance to to see Coutts and Norwood together in the same midfield.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Duffy is getting on. For 50 minutes he's sensational, after though, he's largely ineffective.

Woodburn is the only obvious replacement, and I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not comfortable with this.

One possibility I would like us to try, is John Fleck in that role. We only know him as a MC, but he started his career as a forward (he was actually tipped to be the Scottish Wayne Rooney).

Don't get me wrong, I think Fleck is a better MC than AMC, but when Duffy is tired/unavailable I think he is possibly a better option than Woodburn.

We'd be missing a great MC, but I feel that's an area where we have better backup. I don't think Lundstram is a world beater, but I'd sooner have him on the pitch with Woodburn, and Coutts will be back soon too.

It may leave us without enough bite, and Fleck might not be suitable for the role, but I think we should try it, otherwise every time Duffy fades, we're essentially out of ideas.

Thoughts?


P.S. it probabaly wouldn't have worked last night, considering Fleck had a stinker by his standards, but still one to try, IMO.

I think you’ve got a touch of “Wilderitis”. He seems convinced Duffy can only play for an hour. I’d love to see what happens if he is allowed to play 90 minutes?

 

[Chali 2na]

I think you’ve got a touch of “Wilderitis”. He seems convinced Duffy can only play for an hour. I’d love to see what happens if he is allowed to play 90 minutes?

Well he was taken of on 77. If you allowed him to play for 90, you would probably get the same ineffective, tired Mark Duffy who we saw for the last 15 minutes before he was taken off.

Was I watching a different game to you?

 

[Berlin Blade]

I’d like to see what Kean Bryan can do as a holding midfielder if we were to push Fleck up. Wilder likes a left footed player at LCM for balance. He’s big, athletic and likes to try to control the tempo. I think he’d be a revelation.

 

[Laney Blade]

Duffy is getting on. For 50 minutes he's sensational, after though, he's largely ineffective.

Woodburn is the only obvious replacement, and I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not comfortable with this.

One possibility I would like us to try, is John Fleck in that role. We only know him as a MC, but he started his career as a forward (he was actually tipped to be the Scottish Wayne Rooney).

Don't get me wrong, I think Fleck is a better MC than AMC, but when Duffy is tired/unavailable I think he is possibly a better option than Woodburn.

We'd be missing a great MC, but I feel that's an area where we have better backup. I don't think Lundstram is a world beater, but I'd sooner have him on the pitch with Woodburn, and Coutts will be back soon too.

It may leave us without enough bite, and Fleck might not be suitable for the role, but I think we should try it, otherwise every time Duffy fades, we're essentially out of ideas.

Thoughts?


P.S. it probabaly wouldn't have worked last night, considering Fleck had a stinker by his standards, but still one to try, IMO.

Obviously Coutts will be playing full time when her fully match fit . C won't play 4 midfielder plus 2 wing backs as 6 are too many. He will choose 3 from 4 based on their effectiveness , goals scored & clearances off the line. Preventing goals being scored by tge5 OPPO is just as important as scoring goals. We attack as a team & defend as a team according to Chris. So do as Chris asks or her subbed. SIMPLES !

 

[Chali 2na]

Obviously Coutts will be playing full time when her fully match fit
C won't play 4 midfielder plus 2 wing backs as 6 are too many. He will choose 3 from 4 based on their effectiveness , goals scored & clearances off the line. Preventing goals being scored by tge5 OPPO is just as important as scoring goals. We attack as a team & defend as a team according to Chris. So do as Chris asks or her subbed. SIMPLES !

This is so hard to read

 

[JackSUFC]

I like Nick Powell at Wigan. I’m not sure he’d come here though, as I’d imagine their valuation is out of our price range. Same for Luke Freeman unfortunately.

 

[derfblade.3]

I like Nick Powell at Wigan. I’m not sure he’d come here though, as I’d imagine their valuation is out of our price range. Same for Luke Freeman unfortunately.

I agree with Freeman Jack. Time is now to get players like him to push us on. Push the boat out time, just for once , to keep the momentum going.

 

[JackSUFC]

I agree with Freeman Jack. Time is now to get players like him to push us on. Push the boat out time, just for once , to keep the momentum going.

Definitely. The place is buzzing right now, so imagine what it’d be like if we’re still in the top 3/4 come January and then go and spend big money on a player like Freeman!

Mind you, with Duffy’s form at the minute, would he even get in the team?

 

[Rob86]

Definitely. The place is buzzing right now, so imagine what it’d be like if we’re still in the top 3/4 come January and then go and spend big money on a player like Freeman!

Mind you, with Duffy’s form at the minute, would he even get in the team?

Maybe not this year but sadly Duffy will eventually lose that agility and turn of pace. We need to be thinking of a successor as a priority in the next 2 windows. Ideally January to strengthen for this season but already looking ahead to next season, you’ll likely see a role reversal with Duff being the one to come on at 70 mins.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Those type of players are generally expensive. WBA bid £15m for Dack allegedly. I think we are more likely to change how we play a little than find an effective Duffy replacement in Jan. Not sure Fleck is good enough receiving the ball with his back to goal which is essential in that role.

McG dropping deeper in front of a flat CM 3 is probably as close as we can get

 

[Chali 2na]

I agree with Freeman Jack. Time is now to get players like him to push us on. Push the boat out time, just for once , to keep the momentum going.

Push the boat out on which players? As Jack mentioned; Freeman and Powell are probabaly unrealistic targets.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Well he was taken of on 77. If you allowed him to play for 90, you would probably get the same ineffective, tired Mark Duffy who we saw for the last 15 minutes before he was taken off.

Was I watching a different game to you?

No I think we were watching the same game, but have a different viewpoint that's all. My view is that if we take Duffy off before the end of the game and the other team come back into it, we've lost a key creator of chances from the field of play. This thread is referring back to the Birmingham game on 19th Sept btw. Still fresh in my memory at that point, was the away game at Bristol City a few days before. In the game at Bristol City, which we'd totally dominated btw for over an hour, Duffy was taken off on 68 minutes, to be replaced by Connor Washington. My heart sank. Because at that stage we were still at 0-0 and, as I said to my mate, "if they score now and we need to find an equaliser we've just taken off our most creative player". And that's exactly what happened.

Interestingly enough, over the past few games we've seen Duffy getting an extended play on the pitch and he's no longer being hauled off after about an hour. The results have improved as well, with us scoring goals late in the game. Co-incidence? Maybe? All I'm saying is two things really:

1. Duffy is capable of playing for 90 minutes
2. If we take him off before the 90 minutes then we really ought to be pretty sure that his creativity isn't going to be needed from that point onwards in the game.

As an aside to this, it was great to see Couttsy back on the pitch at Blackburn the other night. Duffy made way for him, and I'd no issue with that at all, because by then we'd got the game well and truly won.

 

[cahill]

Maybe not this year but sadly Duffy will eventually lose that agility and turn of pace. We need to be thinking of a successor as a priority in the next 2 windows. Ideally January to strengthen for this season but already looking ahead to next season, you’ll likely see a role reversal with Duff being the one to come on at 70 mins.

Might be heavy going today, non stop chuffing rain. Energy sapping

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

It`ll be dry by kick-off.

 

[Chali 2na]

No I think we were watching the same game, but have a different viewpoint that's all. My view is that if we take Duffy off before the end of the game and the other team come back into it, we've lost a key creator of chances from the field of play. This thread is referring back to the Birmingham game on 19th Sept btw. Still fresh in my memory at that point, was the away game at Bristol City a few days before. In the game at Bristol City, which we'd totally dominated btw for over an hour, Duffy was taken off on 68 minutes, to be replaced by Connor Washington. My heart sank. Because at that stage we were still at 0-0 and, as I said to my mate, "if they score now and we need to find an equaliser we've just taken off our most creative player". And that's exactly what happened.

Interestingly enough, over the past few games we've seen Duffy getting an extended play on the pitch and he's no longer being hauled off after about an hour. The results have improved as well, with us scoring goals late in the game. Co-incidence? Maybe? All I'm saying is two things really:

1. Duffy is capable of playing for 90 minutes
2. If we take him off before the 90 minutes then we really ought to be pretty sure that his creativity isn't going to be needed from that point onwards in the game.

As an aside to this, it was great to see Couttsy back on the pitch at Blackburn the other night. Duffy made way for him, and I'd no issue with that at all, because by then we'd got the game well and truly won.

So Duffy has played 90 mins for a couple of games without fading or picking up an injury, and you've taken this as proof that he will definitely be able to play 90 mins when needed, for the rest of the season, 35 games?

 

[Inter_blade83]

Hazard

 

[Fulwood Blade]

We quite simply have competition all over the place now - Players HAVE to perform, and they all know it.

Just look at Freeman and Stevens - both have upped their game this season - hopefully due to the completion they have got.

Long may GOOD players fighting for places continue.

CW's task is much harder than last year keeping everyone happy, but I bet it's a challenge he's relishing.

UTB

 

[snootyfenooty]

So Duffy has played 90 mins for a couple of games without fading or picking up an injury, and you've taken this as proof that he will definitely be able to play 90 mins when needed, for the rest of the season, 35 games?

The problem has arisen due to Wilder subbing him regularly at 70 minutes whether he's knackered or not. This has led to the supposition that he can't last 90 minutes. The last few games have proven otherwise.

 

[Gannon's perm]

The problem is that Duffy needs to be protected and we can't risk losing him for future games. He's so vital to what we do and is pretty much irreplaceable with the budget we have to work with.
Agreed that we may have to change the style we play in some games to accommodate Coutts and Norwood and give Duffy a rest.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Chris has to run the rule over every potential players who comes to the lane. They have to fit in to the team work ethic. I think most of the players who have been shipped out quickly has more to do with attitude than ability.