Do you want us to go down?

[Linz]

Utterly mental that anyone can fail to realise that the people walking away from SUFC are loyal, devoted Blades who are just fed up with the spin and bullshit from the top and the disgraceful lack of talent on show on the pitch.

It's their choice to walk away... I would question the fact that they are still "diehard" and "loyal" if a blip in the second tier of English football and a continuation of a load of crap from the Boardroom are their reasons. There was all sorts of shit going on in the 90s when for the most part, we were in the very same position we're in now. What made it good enough to support the team then but not now? More chances to whinge about it on the internet and appear to be some kind of martyr? I know in the case of some that they talk a good game but haven't actually set foot in the ground for the best part of 5 years.

Why are some people happy to believe those in the Board when what they are saying is negative, but they won't believe a single word if what they say is positive?

What galvanised my support for United through the 90s was the feeling that it was Us v. Them. Now it feels like it's Us v. Other Blades. I think the message from the top from the bottom has to be "you're either with us or not, sod you". I want players who'll die for the shirt and a support-base who'll spend their time at the Lane supporting and not using the earliest opportunity to boo... whether that be 12000 or 20000. I also know fans who are staying away because they can't bear to see a club they love derided by people who've rolled up in the last five years, know it all and take the first opportunity to try and start a fight with people because they aren't on the team's back.

I want us to play like Barcelona, but I'm not going to throw my teddies out of the pram because, in the twenty years I've been going, we haven't had the players so why should I expect that now? I want the players to play with a bit of passion and actually look bothered... I don't want us to get relegated, but doing so would be a massive wake up call to the players we have now... especially if some have clauses written into the contracts signed recently.

I know trying to make the best of what seems like an increasingly hopeless situation might be "mental" for some, but I guess that's just the way I am.

On another note, I don't take kindly to being called "mental" nor would I take kindly to any of our members' sanity being questioned for voicing an honestly held opinion. So cut it out.

 

[alcoblade]

I also know fans who are staying away because they can't bear to see a club they love derided by people who've rolled up in the last five years, know it all and take the first opportunity to try and start a fight with people because they aren't on the team's bac.

Really? You really know people who don't go because of that? Now that would be as fickle as it gets, surely?

I'll put my mortgage on them really being in the same camp as the "I'm not going until Blackwell's gone" lot. And all the other excuses that people come up with are just the same.

People want to see winning football at the highest possible level. Where they vary is in their tolerance between the ends of those spectra. But it really is that simple, IMHO.

UTB

 

[Linz]

Really? You really know people who don't go because of that? Now that would be as fickle as it gets, surely?

I think being started on because you're supporting the team would get a bit tiresome eventually.

All I want is to see the club I started to support back again... whether that's in this division, the one above or the one below.

 

[alcoblade]

I think being started on because you're supporting the team would get a bit tiresome eventually.

It would, personally I'd chin them. But then again I'm a 16 stone bone head.... So then I'd move seat. It's not that difficult, surely?

UTB

 

[JohnDenver]

I think being started on because you're supporting the team would get a bit tiresome eventually.

All I want is to see the club I started to support back again... whether that's in this division, the one above or the one below.

Maybe all-seater stadia have caused this. In t'old days if there was a gobby moaning berk stood next to you, you'd just move, and your match experience would be amongst like-minded people. Not so easy nowadays...

 

[alcoblade]

All I want is to see the club I started to support back again... whether that's in this division, the one above or the one below.

So do I. But I don't think I've actually lost it. What I have lost is a team with any skill or passion. And we've gained a huge bunch of tired, pissed off supporters. I doubt being relegated will be the antidote....

UTB

 

[raul]

I'd like my club back too. How do we get rid of the fucking squatters who have somehow broke in and got the shirts on?

 

[Linz]

I'd like my club back too. How do we get rid of the fucking squatters who have somehow broke in and got the shirts on?

P45s all round.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

P45s all round

Courtesy of the Moorfoot.....oh sorry P45S

 

[Revolution]

There was all sorts of shit going on in the 90s when for the most part, we were in the very same position we're in now.

Well there's your problem right there, Linz, because we weren't in the same position then. We spent 4 years in the top league and with the exception of half a season in 1995-6 never graced the bottom of second tier. This is worse than anything we had then.

Plus I assume from your post that you refer to the 90's but don't mention the 80's because you weren't a fan then, for whatever reason (correct me if I'm wrong). So you have no frame of reference about what third tier football is like. You've never had it so bad, so to speak.

Well, you'll get your wish next year on the gates front, as we are going down. Only problem is, we are still going to be stuck with the same management, half the same stiffs, and the same revolving loans door. What will you say when a 12,000 crowd starts booing, I wonder?

 

[Micalijo]

I think being started on because you're supporting the team would get a bit tiresome eventually.

All I want is to see the club I started to support back again... whether that's in this division, the one above or the one below.

Nothing to do with the fans. You'll get your club back when McCabe goes or when he appoints another proper, competent manager.

But let's confirm this - you'd rather have 12k there against Tranmere than 20k plus against some of the bigger teams in second tier who can sell out 3k and bring some atmosphere? I'm afraid Linz that in all likelihood I'll be amongst that 12k, ridiculing Monty, laughing at Doyle trying to run and watching Collins in sheer disbelief.

See you at Scunthorpe - will be some proper backing of the club there imo - last chance saloon for me re staying up.

 

[Linz]

Plus I assume from your post that you refer to the 90's but don't mention the 80's because you weren't a fan then, for whatever reason (correct me if I'm wrong).

I didn't exist for the majority of the 80s, having been born in 1986.

 

[Revolution]

Well then, as I said, you've no memory of the bad years.

 

[shorehamview]

Well then, as I said, you've no memory of the bad years.

I've no memory of the last Viking invasion, Fatty Foulkes, Nudger Needham or the Industrial Revolution.
Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me. Unless of course you can't have memories of times you weren't actually alive during?

 

[Revolution]

I've no memory of the last Viking invasion, Fatty Foulkes, Nudger Needham or the Industrial Revolution.
Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me. Unless of course you can't have memories of times you weren't actually alive during?

What the hell is wrong with you? The only point I was making was that I felt Linz was prepared to welcome relegation to the third tier because all she had to compare against was the 1990's, which she felt were bad times. I said she wouldn't think that if she'd seen us in the 1980s, and she confirmed to me she hadn't, as she wasn't old enough (which I did not know). So as I say, she has no memory of the worst decade in the club's history, and if she had she might not take relegation so lightly. End of story.

Quite why this prompted you to respond in such an unnecessarily sarcastic and confrontational (not to mention pointless) manner, I don't know.

 

[shorehamview]

Well there's your problem right there, Linz....don't mention the 80's because you weren't a fan then, for whatever reason (correct me if I'm wrong). So you have no frame of reference about what third tier football is like. You've never had it so bad, so to speak....

.....she has no memory of the worst decade in the club's history, and if she had she might not take relegation so lightly. End of story.

Quite why this prompted you to respond in such an unnecessarily sarcastic and confrontational (not to mention pointless) manner, I don't know.

She has no memory of the shit times because she wasn't alive then. Hardly a stick to beat her with, is it? Similarly, I wasn't alive during the last Viking invasion, so I have no memeory of that.

We can't really compare memories we haven't got to ones we have. I reckon times when Lars and his bearded mates were raping the cattle and stealing the women were worse than now, but can't say for sure as I wasn't around then. End of story?

Linz can't say anything about thirty years ago because she's not old enough, but that's not her fault, is it?

So Linz can be castigated for not remembering stuff that happened before she was born, but when someone else pokes fun at that premise you are allowed to have a hissy fit. The Vikings wouldn't have stood for that, not that I'd know.


And in answer to your last point, Small SV is watching some shit on the Disney Channel, so there's nowt else to do....

 

[Revolution]

I didn't castigate her. I said that she would not think like that if she had seen the "dark ages" of United football, and I checked to see if she had. I think it's a valid point, actually, but feel free to continue to defend against something that isn't there if you like.

 

[shorehamview]

I didn't castigate her. I said that she would not think like that if she had seen the "dark ages" of United football, and I checked to see if she had. I think it's a valid point, actually, but feel free to continue to defend against something that isn't there if you like.

Well, castigate/patronise/belittle/whatever. You made a derogatory comment because she's a mere sprog and therefore hasn't know the suffering us older Blades have because she's had the bare faced cheek to be born in the mid '80s. Similarly I can't compare modern civilization to when big Scandinavian berserkers were twatting our forefathers with axes. I have no doubt it wan't very nice, but can't be sure. Still, feel free to attack people for their memories not being there because of their youth if you like.

 

[Revolution]

Still, feel free to attack people for their memories not being there because of their youth if you like.

You're either being deliberately obtuse or the point is going over your head. Either way, I give up.

 

[axel smeets]

As someone who was born in 1983, I agree we haven't seen the really dark days between 1979-1988. Quite frankly, I'm bloody glad. Pigs on the rise from 26.12.79 onwards, top flight football, whilst we suffer Div 4.

Let's face it though, if you had watched United in the 50's and 60's, and through the 1970-76 period, the 80's would always feel bad. I suppose if you started watching United in around 1980, the 90's and the 2000's would have felt much much better.

Compare 1990-2010 to 1960-1975 though and the latter period would have been a much better time to watch us. You just can't help when you're born!

I don't know if that makes any sense anybody, but I knew what I meant anyway!!

 

[Linz]

What the hell is wrong with you? The only point I was making was that I felt Linz was prepared to welcome relegation to the third tier...

Actually, if you'd read my post, I said I didn't want us to go down and my comments mentioning the 90s were to do with boardroom disputes, not football.

So if you aren't going to read what I've actually said, everything else is rather a moot point.