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doyle was a poor footballer who gave his all for united..
monty was 'probebly' a decent marathon runner who gave his all for united..
i know which one id rather have
 
Monty always gave 100% for us, but sometimes that is just not enough.

You have to be able to use the ball - witness some of ours last season.

Monty was ok when surrounded by better footballers, he could be accommodated. As we slid down the leagues and the footballers had gone and Monty became a senior player - it is then that you expect "more" from the senior players.

It didn't quite happen.

Thanks for the memories and continued good luck in Oz.

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Monty has stole a living and so has Doyle, good luck to them i say, we'd have all done the same thing given the opportunity to.
 
Monty was a very limited player, but a piece in a successful jigsaw. As we enter our 5th third division season having turned our back on those days, if it wasn't so sad I'd smile that the penny still hasn't dropped for so many.

Clever statements on message boards by amateurs are just that. We can all enjoy throwing our theories in. None of it will alter the facts of that era, and my word how much better that era was.

Anyway, at last I believe we have a manager who will not get wrapped up in "style" over content.

Roll on Fleetwood.....again. This time we might even win. :)

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Fleetwood, Crawley, Yeovil. Let Adkins be the man to finally draw the line under our embarrassment of recent years and get us back to where we belong. Yes, we do belong above League 1.
 
alcoblade said:
Monty was a very limited player, but a piece in a successful jigsaw. As we enter our 5th third division season having turned our back on those days, if it wasn't so sad I'd smile that the penny still hasn't dropped for so many.

Clever statements on message boards by amateurs are just that. We can all enjoy throwing our theories in. None of it will alter the facts of that era, and my word how much better that era was.

Anyway, at last I believe we have a manager who will not get wrapped up in "style" over content.

Roll on Fleetwood.....again. This time we might even win. :)

UTB
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Monty was very limited, i agree but what kind of jigsaw was it that we are talking about? It's more a 5 million piece jigsaw that would take years to complete and he was one of the middle pieces that would get on your nerves and take you ages to find.

We might be in our 5th season in League one but i can categorically state that Monty would not have changed where we are now one bit, he was pure and simply not good enough.

I don't know how a limited footballer can get away with a career 'tbh', if me, you or anyone for that matter was limited at what we were supposed to do we propably wouldn't be in that job for too long.

My comments have nothing to do with the style of play, they are more to do with my own opinion on a player that has stole a very good living and good luck to the bloke.
 



wizadry said:
Monty was very limited, i agree but what kind of jigsaw was it that we are talking about? It's more a 5 million piece jigsaw that would take years to complete and he was one of the middle pieces that would get on your nerves and take you ages to find.

We might be in our 5th season in League one but i can categorically state that Monty would not have changed where we are now one bit, he was pure and simply not good enough.

I don't know how a limited footballer can get away with a career 'tbh', if me, you or anyone for that matter was limited at what we were supposed to do we propably wouldn't be in that job for too long.

My comments have nothing to do with the style of play, they are more to do with my own opinion on a player that has stole a very good living and good luck to the bloke.
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We did well getting into the premiership with 10 men then Wiz?

Ask yourself this, can you imagine it is possible to assemble any type of team, on that type of budget, that would include Baxter and still get promoted to the Premiership?

Not a chance it hell.

UTB
 
Went to watch Monty in Oz last year and then followed Aussie football on BT Sports. Monty was still doing exactly what has been " on the tin" as he has all his career and in Oz he played a useful if not major part in the team. He has slowed down a bit but talked to his fellow players more, not one of his natural strengths. He has never been able to pass a ball confidently even over 10 yards but in Oz he had a bit more time on the ball and seemed to try more long balls with varying success. Honest player with a big engine but not a natural ballplayer; all his best work has always been hounding players with the ball. Scored one of the goals of the season a couple of months ago. Word was his contract will not be renewed for next season. I reckon Oz football is a higher standard than League 1 which is more frenetic; Monty would have fared better in League 1 than Oz I guess. Monty loves frenetic.

Personally I rated Doyle highly, certainly in League 1.
 
alcoblade said:
We did well getting into the premiership with 10 men then Wiz?

Ask yourself this, can you imagine it is possible to assemble any type of team, on that type of budget, that would include Baxter and still get promoted to the Premiership?

Not a chance it hell.

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We also got relegated to League one because we were playing with ten men:)

If memory serves me right Monty lost his place to Doyle when we got relegated which says a lot about our player recruitment more than anything. It's alright people saying we need players like this, we don't, what we need in that position are players who can tackle, track back, get forward when needed, pass the ball forwards aswell as sideways and backwards, control the ball and not have to make a tackle after their first touch, chip in with some goals aswell as assisting with many more. We haven't had anyone who can do all this for years which is why we still find ourselves in League one.

The answer to your question 'btw' is exactly as you've answered but i don't know what Baxter has to do with it, i suppose we might never get to find out but i'm a lot more confident we have people in place that can get us better players in the positions we so badly need them.
 
wizadry said:
We also got relegated to League one because we were playing with ten men:)

If memory serves me right Monty lost his place to Doyle when we got relegated which says a lot about our player recruitment more than anything. .
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And perhaps, it says something about players getting older?

wizadry said:
. It's alright people saying we need players like this, we don't..
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Agreed, I don't think we need a player like Monty and I want to see better. I want to see more all round players. I just accept that several managers used him, and he formed part for a team that was more successful than any team that any player from our current squad could get into. He was exceptional at a very limited part of the game, we exploited that.

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The answer to your question 'btw' is exactly as you've answered but i don't know what Baxter has to do with it,
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Because you're a fan of his. Given that Monty stole a living in your opinion and yet you're a fan of Baxter, considering my second point in this post I can't quite make sense of your stance. Baxter is exceptional at nothing. It's rank mediocrity in players who excel at nothing, coupled with an unrealistic insistence to play a certain way, that's delivered the worst period in out history.

UTB
 
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alcoblade said:
Because you're a fan of his. Given that Monty stole a living in your opinion, yet you're a fan of Baxter, Given my second point in this post, I can't quite make sense of that.

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Ah right, get ya mate.

A couple of things then.
i) I rate Baxter in this division and i think he could do a good job at Championship level, nothing higher for now, he's still young and obviously daft:)
ii) Monty has played at a lot higher level than Baxter and made loads more money so on that note, that's why i think he has stolen a living whereas Baxter is still on relatively small wages compared to what Monty was ever on, but as i say, we'd all do the same, it wasn't Monty picking the team after all.
 
wizadry said:
Ah right, get ya mate.

A couple of things then.
i) I rate Baxter in this division and i think he could do a good job at Championship level, nothing higher for now, he's still young and obviously daft:)
ii) Monty has played at a lot higher level than Baxter and made loads more money so on that note, that's why i think he has stolen a living whereas Baxter is still on relatively small wages compared to what Monty was ever on, but as i say, we'd all do the same, it wasn't Monty picking the team after all.
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I think Baxter might find himself at Championship level for short spells. Nothing more. He's the antithesis of Monty. Quite skilful, but with the work rate and fitness of an overweight ale cart. He's just not an athlete, and I don't think it's within his power or makeup to solve it. The problem is, unlike Monty (to a degree), the strong parts of his game are just nowhere near strong enough to do compensate for the weaker parts and do any sort of job in any sort of aspirational side.

UTB
 
wizadry said:
Ah right, get ya mate.

A couple of things then.
i) I rate Baxter in this division and i think he could do a good job at Championship level, nothing higher for now, he's still young and obviously daft:)
ii) Monty has played at a lot higher level than Baxter and made loads more money so on that note, that's why i think he has stolen a living whereas Baxter is still on relatively small wages compared to what Monty was ever on, but as i say, we'd all do the same, it wasn't Monty picking the team after all.
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Do you really honestly and truthfully think Monty pulled the wool over the eyes of Warnock, Robson and Blackwell and was able to sustain an 11 year career as a player in a decent top half of the 2nd tier/aspiring for the PL side purely because of his ability to fool people?

Or isn't it more likely that in the ruthless meritocratic world of football that, if he wasn't good enough for that level, he would have been out of the door sharpish?
 
alcoblade said:
I think Baxter might find himself at Championship level for short spells. Nothing more. He's the antithesis of Monty. Quite skilful, but with the work rate and fitness of an overweight ale cart. He's just not an athlete, and I don't think it's within his power or makeup to solve it. The problem is, unlike Monty (to a degree), the strong parts of his game are just nowhere near strong enough to do compensate for the weaker parts and do any sort of job in any sort of aspirational side.

UTB
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Fair enough, i think Baxter could find himself in the Donny prison cells before the Championship which would be a sad state of affairs for the lad after the obvious talents he could flourish in. Baxter is more of a cultured player that didn't get the chance to show it much under NC but that's for another day. There were a lot of players playing within themselves last season and Baxter was one of them, he is obviously mentally done in and needs to sort himself out, there's only him that can do it though.
 
Darren said:
Do you really honestly and truthfully think Monty pulled the wool over the eyes of Warnock, Robson and Blackwell and was able to sustain an 11 year career as a player in a decent top half of the 2nd tier/aspiring for the PL side purely because of his ability to fool people?

Or isn't it more likely that in the ruthless meritocratic world of football that, if he wasn't good enough for that level, he would have been out of the door sharpish?
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Yes, but that's only my opinion, don't let it worry you mate.

If we'd have had better players than Monty it wouldn't have took that long to get to the Premier but no, every manager must be right eh.

He played 11 years, got one promotion to the Prem and one relegation to League one, now as much as i liked the season in the Prem i'd call that regressing.
 
wizadry said:
Yes, but that's only my opinion, don't let it worry you mate.

If we'd have had better players than Monty it wouldn't have took that long to get to the Premier but no, every manager must be right eh.

He played 11 years, got one promotion to the Prem and one relegation to League one, now as much as i liked the season in the Prem i'd call that regressing.
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He had a 13 year career in English football. 10 of those were spent in a team that was either in the PL or challenging for promotion to the PL. I don't know what more proof is possible that (until the end of his career) that was Monty's level.

Do you really think one player could fool three different managers for 10 years?
 
wizadry said:
Yes, but that's only my opinion, don't let it worry you mate.

If we'd have had better players than Monty it wouldn't have took that long to get to the Premier but no, every manager must be right eh.

He played 11 years, got one promotion to the Prem and one relegation to League one, now as much as i liked the season in the Prem i'd call that regressing.
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"Player regresses over 11 year spell shocker!"

:)

UTB
 
It comes to a bad end of days when we look back nostagically at a player who yes, had 90 minute plus in his fuel tank and 'gave his all' but who could never gain control of the ball, passed blindly in midfield and would frequently find himself positionally wanting as a required midfield businessman.

And Doyle? I seem to recall some on here posting some or other Coventry message board traffic that they were all Allah Akhbaring that he'd been flogged to us. It comes also to bad days where you never hear Cov fans say to us 'I wish we had Micheal Doyle back' even though they almost went round the u-bend themselves with the bumwad and peanutty turds.

And Pompey are now loking at Doyle. I think div four is about his level.

pommpey
 
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Darren said:
He had a 13 year career in English football. 10 of those were spent in a team that was either in the PL or challenging for promotion to the PL. I don't know what more proof is possible that (until the end of his career) that was Monty's level.

Do you really think one player could fool three different managers for 10 years?
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Warnock got a lot longer than any manager i can remember and as i said should have had a better player than Monty in place instead of taking a cut out of his wages, a fucking Squirell could've fooled Robson and Blackwell had his hands tied behind his back with football that bypassed Monty anyway, has that answered your question Daz?
 
wizadry said:
Warnock got a lot longer than any manager i can remember and as i said should have had a better player than Monty in place instead of taking a cut out of his wages, a fucking Squirell could've fooled Robson and Blackwell had his hands tied behind his back with football that bypassed Monty anyway, has that answered your question Daz?
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Not really.

I am sure we could have got better players than Monty, had we had the requisite funds, as I am sure we could have got better players that all our players at the time, had we had the funds.

The only proof as to how good you are in football is the level you play at. Monty played in the top two tiers for the first 11 years of his career. Hence he was a top two tier level player for 11 years.

Could you see more than 1 or 2 of our current players sustaining a 11 year career in the top two divisions?
 



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