Do we really need any loans ?

[blade too long]

correct me if Im wrong but didnt we bring in a plethora of loans in the year we got relegated
I believe over the season we had nearly 20 , none of which brought one iota of improvement
lets stay in the game till january and get in commited players we own

 

[Pedro Verde]

After Saturday, maybe it's time to calm down. Yes, we were excellent but Barnsley - with one of the worst managers in football and in freefall - beat the Gills 4-1.



This is one of the great inexplicables in football. Yes, NC uses it all the time, but he's hardly going to sign players worse than what we've already got. Not having a go, PV, just never understood the value in the saying. (A bit like Radio Sheffield, instead of saying 'United', 'Wednesday' etc. insist on saying 'The Football Club'...)

I was answering the OPs point about the quality of the loan signings we might expect
Some loans are squad fillers or cover signings, some loans are panic (Paynter)
We need neither we have brought in loan signings before that were worse than the players already at the club
Nigel is looking for players that will improve us other managers have just gone out and signed players so they look as if they are addressing a problem when in fact they are making it worse Adams for instance

 

[sheffielder]

correct me if Im wrong but didnt we bring in a plethera of loans in the year we got relegated
I believe over the season we had nearly 20 , none of which brought one iota of improvement
lets stay in the game till january and get in commited players we own

I am with this. Our squad is already bigger than our Nige said he wanted. We need to get McGinn, Porter, Butler off the books and some youngsters out on loan before we bring anyone in.

 

[Bladesway]

correct me if Im wrong but didnt we bring in a plethora of loans in the year we got relegated
I believe over the season we had nearly 20 , none of which brought one iota of improvement
lets stay in the game till january and get in commited players we own

It's like the mad house in here sometimes. Why not give yourself the best possible chance of promotion by continuing to get better players in? If that's loan then so be it. It only needs to be 2 or 3 not a team full. I despair sometimes at how we always stick and don't twist when it really matters. If you want to bimble along as we are then let's stay with what we have. I prefer to be bold and really go for it. Let's get the right loans in possibly with an option to buy and try to blow this league apart. By January Bristol City could be a speck in the distance.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

We only need one player - one who can score 20/25 goals in a season.

 

[blade too long]

I despair sometimes at how we always stick and don't twist when it really matters. If you want to bimble along as we are then let's stay with what we have. I prefer to be bold and really go for it. .

But thats exactly what Nigels said , with the sensible proviso hed only bring in players that improve the situation , there are no such players availble , ie we want brayford or similar but clubs arent parting with them

IT is frustrating that there not a long queue of 24 25 goal a season players sat on other clubs bennches waiting to be loaned out

 

[Rossb123]

Why are some people obsessed with a pacey striker? Shelton, Nade, Forte, Poleon. Notice anything?

But yeah let's just bring in anyone with pace to play up top eh?

We made a mistake not being obsessed with Forte! He's banging them in for Oldham 6 in 8 games......Clough might be tempted to spend that Maguire money on him in January

Luuuuuton's performance against Man Utd and scoring with the help of a Man City balloon, Nade's goal against Arsenal these are Blades legends your pulling down.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Why are some people obsessed with a pacey striker? Shelton, Nade, Forte, Poleon. Notice anything?

But yeah let's just bring in anyone with pace to play up top eh?

You can turn that around and ask why are some people obsessed with our team being slow.

If you look at last season's top scorer list most of them have good pace:







It's about complementing what we already have and I don't think anyone is suggesting pace should be the only required attribute.

 

[Bladesway]

I am with this. Our squad is already bigger than our Nige said he wanted. We need to get McGinn, Porter, Butler off the books and some youngsters out on loan before we bring anyone in.

OK, excuse my bluntness but what the fuck will that achieve?

 

[HoodedClaw]

Why are some people obsessed with a pacey striker? Shelton, Nade, Forte, Poleon. Notice anything?

But yeah let's just bring in anyone with pace to play up top eh?

We are quite a slow side and pace can provide other options. The opposition defence may have to deffend deeper to counter it which in turns frees up space for other players like Baxter and Wallace. We don't have enough variety available to us at the moment IMO.

Pace is an attribute that can be quantified, there are lots of people mentioning that we should get a 20+ goal a season striker. What qualities/attributes guarantee you a 20+ goal striker? After Evans' first 2 seasons did anyone think he would come good in his third?

 

[bladesmanluke]

We are quite a slow side and pace can provide other options. The opposition defence may have to deffend deeper to counter it which in turns frees up space for other players like Baxter and Wallace. We don't have enough variety available to us at the moment IMO.

Pace is an attribute that can be quantified, there are lots of people mentioning that we should get a 20+ goal a season striker. What qualities/attributes guarantee you a 20+ goal striker? After Evans' first 2 seasons did anyone think he would come good in his third?

I agree, but people rabbit on as though pace is the only thing we need. It isn't. We could easily bring in a pacey striker, they probably wouldn't be any good though. What we need is a pacey striker who can score goals and they are far from ready available. The only one that is available, half of our support understandably doesn't want.

 

[Bladesway]

No team gets promotion in September. The League have generously given us another 37 games to change our goal difference.

And our best players thankfully.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Clough confirms defender likely to sign before Saturday.

 

[Grecian2000]

I would suggest that if Nigel thinks we need some more players then we probably do.

I would expect he thinks we need a CB to give HM2 a breather or at least provide proper competition for him and Collins.

 

[HoodedClaw]

I agree, but people rabbit on as though pace is the only thing we need. It isn't. We could easily bring in a pacey striker, they probably wouldn't be any good though. What we need is a pacey striker who can score goals and they are far from ready available. The only one that is available, half of our support understandably doesn't want.

I agree BML, I would just rather "gamble" on one that at least has pace as opposed to one that doesn't such as Steven Davies.

If you guarantee pace and finishing I would hope we couldn't sign him up quick enough.

If price was irrelevant and you had the option of a pacy striker who could finish and a relatively static striker who could also finish, I would go for the pacy one every time.

 

[Ted Danson]

Why are some people obsessed with a pacey striker? Shelton, Nade, Forte, Poleon. Notice anything?

But yeah let's just bring in anyone with pace to play up top eh?

Christianade, Pacey?

 

[Grecian2000]

Christianade, Pacey?

Too right Teddy. Should have seen him when they called last orders on the breakfast buffet in the Copthorne.

 

[blade too long]

scougal isnt slow and murphy breezed past 6 players to score the winner on saturday
anyone notice Cotteril , hes slower now but scoring more , and man city held by some ageing totti

 

[sheffielder]

OK, excuse my bluntness but what the fuck will that achieve?

Not sure what your problem is, but do one.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

It's not just a matter of saying "we'll have that one "though is it, and Butler for me is a prime example, I'm betting he expected first team football and bailed out when he found it wasn't nailed on...
So what happens if your man wont come with out the guarantee of first team football, and then turns out to be no better than what we already have ?
You will be upsetting the player he's replacing, probably his team mates and definitely the fans, plus as Jim says, unless he really is a Superior player who hits the ground running how do you justify the bigger wages he will most certainly want to the rest of the team....

 

[Pedro Verde]

It's not just a matter of saying "we'll have that one "though is it, and Butler for me is a prime example, I'm betting he expected first team football and bailed out when he found it wasn't nailed on...
So what happens if your man wont come with out the guarantee of first team football, and then turns out to be no better than what we already have ?
You will be upsetting the player he's replacing, probably his team mates and definitely the fans, plus as Jim says, unless he really is a Superior player who hits the ground running how do you justify the bigger wages he will most certainly want to the rest of the team....

So what do we do, Nigel at least wants a defender probably to replace Butler in the squad
Do we say no to all loans ?? We wouldnt have done as well last season if Brayford and Coady had not signed
All transfers are a gamble especially at our level even at the top look at Torres when he went to Chelsea
I dont really get what point you are trying to make, lets just not sign anybody shall we !!

 

[HoodedClaw]

scougal isnt slow and murphy breezed past 6 players to score the winner on saturday
anyone notice Cotteril , hes slower now but scoring more , and man city held by some ageing totti

I'll agree that Scougs is quite quick and Murph is OK but the defenders for Gillingham weren't particularly quick, but what about Doyle, Davies, Collins, Flynn, Higdon, Basham, McNulty etc etc etc. 2 players out of 11 on the pitch still means we're a slow team to me.

City must have been poor then if they could only draw against one man, overall man for man Roma do you think that Roma have more or less pace in their side than us?

 

[Darthblade]

We are quite a slow side and pace can provide other options. The opposition defence may have to deffend deeper to counter it which in turns frees up space for other players like Baxter and Wallace. We don't have enough variety available to us at the moment IMO.

Pace is an attribute that can be quantified, there are lots of people mentioning that we should get a 20+ goal a season striker. What qualities/attributes guarantee you a 20+ goal striker? After Evans' first 2 seasons did anyone think he would come good in his third?

Yes ...... because in his third season he was playing in a football side, not Blackwells horrible hoofball that suited nobody .....
UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

OK tin hat on here but just how desperately do we need any loan players ?
After Saturdays match I'm beginning to wonder if we fans are all being a bit previous in calling for expensive new faces that could not only slow down the blending of the players we already have into a team but also limit any chance the juniors have of breaking through...
I know there isn't a football team in the world at any level that is the finished article, you can't stand still and must always be on the look out to improve, but we have also seen what happens to a team when loan players go back..
The aim this season is all about promotion, but we're not exactly out of the running with the present players are we, not like we were last season. So should we be thinking more about giving the present squad a chance to blend and achieve something rather than calling for loan players....

If it looks like it's not working there's still the window after Christmas....

Its a fair question but my answer is "one swallow doesn't make a summer" !!
Somebody earlier made a fair point that "nobody gets promoted with a zero GD and that's true. Its a generalisation I know, but most of the recently promored sides from this crappy division have featured at least one striker who can score around 20+ goals per season and / or USUALLY a striker with good pace and strength.
On that basis and having looked at our far from convincing performances this season so far, I would say the answer to your question is a definate YES!! We do need a CB and a CF, both with pace and strength and both capable of fitting in straight away to the team / Division and if we don't, I would suggest we will be at best looking at trying for a play-off place this season.

The fact of the matter is we dont look solid at the back and we don't look like we will score many goals, with the squad we currently have. Just to clarify, before anybody shouts budget at me, I do not believe that its necessary to have big names and therefore expensive signings in this Division. Consistency is the key.
UTB & FTP

 

[Bergen Blade]

scougal isnt slow and murphy breezed past 6 players to score the winner on saturday
anyone notice Cotteril , hes slower now but scoring more , and man city held by some ageing totti

When some says pace is an important attribute for a team, some people seem to point to slow players doing well as proof that pace is not important. Beckham was always mentioned in similar conversations.

But nobody says all players must be pacey! Totti was flanked by two quick lads in Gervinho and Destro wasn't he? So Roma are well balanced in that area. I think two quick players in the forward line (winger/striker) is a good rule.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

So what do we do, Nigel at least wants a defender probably to replace Butler in the squad
Do we say no to all loans ?? We wouldnt have done as well last season if Brayford and Coady had not signed
All transfers are a gamble especially at our level even at the top look at Torres when he went to Chelsea
I dont really get what point you are trying to make, lets just not sign anybody shall we !!

If Nigel thinks the player is right I'm totally in favor, it's his team and he's the one who lives or dies by these decisions, by the same token I would still back him if he decided to persevere with the players we have a present till the next window..........
The point being I'm not in favor of running round like a headless chicken bringing in new players just because we are not destroying every team we play this early in the season ..

 

[Maidenhead]

Its a fair question but my answer is "one swallow doesn't make a summer" !!
Somebody earlier made a fair point that "nobody gets promoted with a zero GD and that's true. Its a generalisation I know, but most of the recently promored sides from this crappy division have featured at least one striker who can score around 20+ goals per season and / or USUALLY a striker with good pace and strength.
On that basis and having looked at our far from convincing performances this season so far, I would say the answer to your question is a definate YES!! We do need a CB and a CF, both with pace and strength and both capable of fitting in straight away to the team / Division and if we don't, I would suggest we will be at best looking at trying for a play-off place this season.

The fact of the matter is we dont look solid at the back and we don't look like we will score many goals, with the squad we currently have. Just to clarify, before anybody shouts budget at me, I do not believe that its necessary to have big names and therefore expensive signings in this Division. Consistency is the key.
UTB & FTP

Looking at the list above there were only four strikers that scored over 20 goals in this division last season.

Only one of their clubs got promoted.

There must have been a hell of a lot of strong pacy strikers about so why the hell can't we find one?

Clough out!!!

 

[Bladesway]

Not sure what your problem is, but do one.

Wooooo big man. You still didn't answer the question, what the fuck does that achieve?

 

[Pierre's PC]

This guy, this is THE guy!!!

Fuckin' pace to burn I tells ya!

 

[Pedro Verde]

The point being I'm not in favor of running round like a headless chicken bringing in new players just because we are not destroying every team we play this early in the season ..

Thats exactly what Clough isnt doing hes going for a defender first to hopefully stop the leaking of goals like we saw at Swindon