disappointed but credit where i'ts due

[Deadbat]

Agreed, fuck Bolton, hope they enjoy league 1 again, and stay there this time

We’re cap-doffing fucking Bolton now! Unbelievable. Some of you won’t be happy until we’re hoofing again. For the record they weren’t “superb”. They were awful, grotesque, horrible. They were committing fouls every challenge. That’s not commitment or ‘hard play’. It’s outside the laws of the game and the useless fucking ref bought it every time.

It’s our job to overcome anti-football and we failed. That’s fair enough. But applauding the shite they substitute for football is shameful.

True colours showing in S2.

I think that post is well wide of the mark. They were far from awful and did not commit fouls every challenge. Conversely, they battled harder a lot of the game and certainly first half were quicker to every ball. They competed and first 30 mins won most loose balls. Fairly. They played some ok stuff and scored a good goal. Yes they lumped it at times but played off Madine - no different to what we did with Clarke really and started to do more and more.

I would not want to watch them and we are far nicer to watch and a better side by a way but credit to them today. They were not hoofing it all game despite the ease which some fans are just throwing out this notion after the defeat. Second half they went long a lot but had earned right to be cynical and niggly after getting the lead and playing pretty well first half and deserved the lead.

Norwich and a few others have been as niggly, time wasting and cynical as them. I did not see them any different. They are fighting for thier lifes and the first 30 minutes they were far better than us on and off the ball. We made it easy by going behind and having to chase. I concide the stop start stuff happened after that and the ref was weak but we have to be better than that. I won;t applaud their performance as they were not great but kept a clean sheet at a play off side, scored a good goal and only had maybe 2 or 3 chances to deal with all game. A solid away performance if you take away any pre concetions on PArkinson and Bolton. Interesting I viewed the game at Bolton earlier in the season and was it that much different really? Taking off red and white persuation for a moment

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

They were much better than I thought they would be opening half an hour and played 'some' football. ... It was not all route one. ... I do not think they were as horrible and anto football as many are saying. They may be most weeks but today? We played as much long ball up to Clarke as they did Madine today. Norwich and other sides were far more negative. Even second half Moore had as many saves to make as their lad. One.

I agree with that(ish). But you don't have to be solid route one to be anti-football. There was plenty of "help it on", much percentage passing, too much technical illiteracy, and enough borderline illegal physical shit to last until next New Year, let alone this.

That said, we are usually good enough to cope with this kind of rubbish. Today, we weren't.

I can't quite find it in me to say "fair play".

 

[Harrisblade]

Maybe, but I’ve been watching football (and the Blades in particular) for 55 years and on nearly 90 grounds. I knew how to play football and I know how it should be played. I don’t take lectures from cap-doffing hoofers who admire fucking Bolton!

No, you THINK you know how it should be played.
And if you think that respecting a team for getting a result against the odds is "cap doffing" then you'd better watch football for another 55 years and hope you manage to pick up a bit more than you've managed so far

 

[Deadbat]

Maybe, but I’ve been watching football (and the Blades in particular) for 55 years and on nearly 90 grounds. I knew how to play football and I know how it should be played. I don’t take lectures from cap-doffing hoofers who admire fucking Bolton!

It's not cap doffing. They were 2nd bottom and won 1-0 at the 6th team. They played it niggly and sometimes went long; they were nowhere near as bad as you make you. We hardly played them off the field. It was a poor game but they did enough to win. Simples.

I do wonder why you come on this forum if you believe you are right all the time and are unwilling to take on board polar opinions or different takes. If your view is correct and you know everythign that thete is to know about football; what do you gain from coming on here? I post opinion and sometimes people disagree and I am sometmes wrong and will gladly say so and that is fine. What the forum is about for me and any discussion on football or United.

Your stance on things is so stubborn and come across rather patronising at times; it makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously. You have just become a parody of yourself. Sad really as you say you have a long experience of watching football and sure can offer good points and valid arguments but become obsessed with this 'hoofball' or 'bladey blade' rubbish. It is tiresome.

 

[super_pig]

Did well did Madine, sadly. Held it up and made it uncomfortable for our back lads. That said I thought Stearman was excellent again.

Unsure about the goal, slip from CCV which happens but Bash didn’t read it all - in fact it was very poor from him, he should know better than getting caught square on like that. He was much better at CB to be fair to him.

‘slip from ccv that happens..’
it happens too often imo

 

[super_pig]

It's not cap doffing. They were 2nd bottom and won 1-0 at the 6th team. They played it niggly and sometimes went long; they were nowhere near as bad as you make you. We hardly played them off the field. It was a poor game but they did enough to win. Simples.

I do wonder why you come on this forum if you believe you are right all the time and are unwilling to take on board polar opinions or different takes. If your view is correct and you know everythign that thete is to know about football; what do you gain from coming on here? I post opinion and sometimes people disagree and I am sometmes wrong and will gladly say so and that is fine. What the forum is about for me and any discussion on football or United.

Your stance on things is so stubborn and come across rather patronising at times; it makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously. You have just become a parody of yourself. Sad really as you say you have a long experience of watching football and sure can offer good points and valid arguments but become obsessed with this 'hoofball' or 'bladey blade' rubbish. It is tiresome.

this..

 

[BladeFisher]

Ah, the Hoofers are coming out of the woodwork. If you like aimless kick and rush, just say so. It’s your right and your heritage. Take pride in it.

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I am sorry, I hadn't appreciated you had learning difficulties. As appears quite common with you, you totally missed the point and I said nor insinuated nothing about liking aimless kick and rush. I do recall a certain Pinchy supporting David Weir when anyone with a brain realised the club was heading at a rate of knots for League 2.

To reiterate, what I was saying was, that by adopting a tactic that as proved was successful, however ugly, they were clearly 'superb' as it proved to be a superior one to that used by United considering the aim of the game is to win.

 

[Top Cat]

Indeed. I agree with that. None of it is any credit to ‘superb’ fucking Bolton, though. There’s a reason they are in the relegation struggle. Unfortunately they’re bringing out the latent but ever-present love for hoof amongst our ‘fans’.

Bolton, for the record, are fucking rubbish. A disgrace to football. They got the win today but ultimately they will fail.

Posted a couple of minutes after the final whistle. You weren't there were you old man. You have looked at the table, seen that Bolton are down at the bottom, ergo, they are rubbish.

 

[cahill]

Maybe, but I’ve been watching football (and the Blades in particular) for 55 years and on nearly 90 grounds. I knew how to play football and I know how it should be played. I don’t take lectures from cap-doffing hoofers who admire fucking Bolton!

Glad you’re around you seem to be hurting as much as I am. Not nice losing, and losing again.

 

[Ricky]

Like it or not, Madine's a good target man.

 

[loyalblade95]

they got away with so many fouls yesterday it was unreal just seconds before fleck got booked Le Fondre took flecks legs out from behind completely missing the ball and got away with it usually that's a straight yellow

 

[Pinchy]

I’m not going to waste a great deal of time on you Hoofers, Cap-Doffers and general admirers of ale house football. You’ve clearly had your thinking twisted and distorted by a few years of pyrrhic success under your (only in S2, let it be said) guru Diplodocus Dave. You know no better. In that, you have my sympathy but it’s wearing thin because you refuse to listen when I try to give you the benefit of wisdom borne out of experience.

I’ve explained my football philosophy meticulously over the years in plain terms but the hoofers, not the brightest of individuals, decline to be educated. So, anyone who wants the detailed explanation I must refer to my back catalogue. I have a very fine bottle of red waiting so what follows is necessarily a brief summary.

There is a right and a wrong way to play the game.

Hoofball does exist. Football people all over the country (save S2) refer to it as a shorthand for ‘ugly rudimentary route one, aimless, mind-numbing shite that expired decades ago and good fucking riddance’. Bolton fans don’t admire their style quite as much as we do, there being repeated references to hoof on their social media.

Pass and move is the way to play. The Hoofers Fallacy comes in here. They conflate an aimless Wimbledon/Bassett style punt from Lurch or Useless Jones seventy yards down the pitch in the general direction of the opposition goal, (missing out completely players risibly nominated ‘midfielders’ who look up to the skies and take co-codamol for acute neck pain) with a sublime targeted long pass to feet or into a player’s stride. It’s become clear to me that Hoofers don’t get that at all (or choose not to get it).

Bladey Blades. Again, they are all too real. The particular quirks of this peculiar single-celled species are:
a) The ludicrous notion that bringing back old redundant players is a jolly good idea if they have played for us before. Recent examples include Nick No-Goals Blackman who disappeared off the face of the earth 15 months ago, taking with him another bringimback candidate Steven No-Games Quinn. Then there’s Cotts (sub). They all ‘know the club’, whatever the fuck that daft throwaway line means. Utter Bladey Bollocks.

b) Our home grown young players should gerrarun, whether good, bad or plain useless. I explained years ago that Calamity George and Little Louis were headed for lower league football at best. Purveyors of Bladey Claptrap insisted they just needed time. They cling on to their Boyband favourites long after all hope is gone, Wishing on a faded star.

c) Players who are themselves Blades give more for the club, because it means so much more to them. They go the extra yard. Well, it’s a good job Bladey Bill is a Blade. If the weren’t he’d be completely rather than mostly fucking anonymous.

Anyway, Hoofers, admirers of grotesque aimless kick and rush, hanging on to your dinosaur favourite like barnacles in the bottom of a cruiser, as ugly as the anti-football you hold so dear. You won’t listen to me. I know that, Perhaps, you’ll listen to Tufty. Here’s what he thought of fucking awful Bolton and what he thinks of your beloved ale house “football”.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05sd6g1

Listen carefully and Learn, Hoofers. It’s clear and unequivocal. He despises that which you love.

To the car parks, Hoofers... Only Semi-Pro and Dinosaur Dave can save us now...

 

[Fanny magnet]

I’m not going to waste a great deal of time on you Hoofers

Writes 10 paragraph sermon

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

I’m not going to waste a great deal of time on you Hoofers

Writes 10 paragraph sermon

Isn't a sermon supposed to be different each time ?

 

[Harrisblade]

I’m not going to waste a great deal of time on you Hoofers

Writes 10 paragraph sermon

Don't be unkind - insulting those that don't recognise his self-acclaimed superiority complex is what gives his life meaning

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Don't be unkind - insulting those that don't recognise his self-acclaimed superiority complex is what gives his life meaning

Said it before. I think we have this all wrong. It's not a superiority complex. It's actually a form of deeply rooted self-loathing, manifesting itself in a compulsive contempt for his own roots / background / community / postcode, etc ("only in S2").

 

[finlaytheblade]

We didn’t play well today, as we never do when a team is in our face - QPR, Preston etc. Reason is that we try to play thoughtful football but we don’t have players with quick enough minds. We need that extra touch to think, which top players don’t. We are OK when teams sit back giving us time to think, but our rhythm falls apart when we have no time.

Having said that we should still have won today as we made enough chances - finishing was just wayward all game.

Learn and move on -
Like Rome, Magic Isn’t Built in a Day

There's some truth in what you say Magic, but when teams sit deep and are in your faces it's very difficult, Man City are finding it harder when teams are in there faces and fight for every ball (as Palace did today) talent should win through in the end and maybe we are a bit short at the moment.
Madine was the leader today he did more or less what he wanted ,we lacked a player of similar physicality the nearest we have is O,connell and I don't think he fancied it.Fight Madines physicallity and you have him in your pocket he was there talisman.
I know Wilder wants to play the game the right way but sometimes you need a weapon to sort a player like Madine,unfortunately we don't have one.
Nullify him and they would have had nothing to offer for the long hoof ball which they used very well.He,s only scored a handful of goals this season and 2 have been penalties ,this tells me other clubs can handle him ,we were a soft touch and he and Bolton took full advantage.
Don't think they deserved to win though and I think the defeat has made Wilder's mind up on certain players if he hadn't already going to be an interesting window.

 

[Deadbat]

I’m not going to waste a great deal of time on you Hoofers, Cap-Doffers and general admirers of ale house football. You’ve clearly had your thinking twisted and distorted by a few years of pyrrhic success under your (only in S2, let it be said) guru Diplodocus Dave. You know no better. In that, you have my sympathy but it’s wearing thin because you refuse to listen when I try to give you the benefit of wisdom borne out of experience.

I’ve explained my football philosophy meticulously over the years in plain terms but the hoofers, not the brightest of individuals, decline to be educated. So, anyone who wants the detailed explanation I must refer to my back catalogue. I have a very fine bottle of red waiting so what follows is necessarily a brief summary.

There is a right and a wrong way to play the game.

Hoofball does exist. Football people all over the country (save S2) refer to it as a shorthand for ‘ugly rudimentary route one, aimless, mind-numbing shite that expired decades ago and good fucking riddance’. Bolton fans don’t admire their style quite as much as we do, there being repeated references to hoof on their social media.

Pass and move is the way to play. The Hoofers Fallacy comes in here. They conflate an aimless Wimbledon/Bassett style punt from Lurch or Useless Jones seventy yards down the pitch in the general direction of the opposition goal, (missing out completely players risibly nominated ‘midfielders’ who look up to the skies and take co-codamol for acute neck pain) with a sublime targeted long pass to feet or into a player’s stride. It’s become clear to me that Hoofers don’t get that at all (or choose not to get it).

Bladey Blades. Again, they are all too real. The particular quirks of this peculiar single-celled species are:
a) The ludicrous notion that bringing back old redundant players is a jolly good idea if they have played for us before. Recent examples include Nick No-Goals Blackman who disappeared off the face of the earth 15 months ago, taking with him another bringimback candidate Steven No-Games Quinn. Then there’s Cotts (sub). They all ‘know the club’, whatever the fuck that daft throwaway line means. Utter Bladey Bollocks.

b) Our home grown young players should gerrarun, whether good, bad or plain useless. I explained years ago that Calamity George and Little Louis were headed for lower league football at best. Purveyors of Bladey Claptrap insisted they just needed time. They cling on to their Boyband favourites long after all hope is gone, Wishing on a faded star.

c) Players who are themselves Blades give more for the club, because it means so much more to them. They go the extra yard. Well, it’s a good job Bladey Bill is a Blade. If the weren’t he’d be completely rather than mostly fucking anonymous.

Anyway, Hoofers, admirers of grotesque aimless kick and rush, hanging on to your dinosaur favourite like barnacles in the bottom of a cruiser, as ugly as the anti-football you hold so dear. You won’t listen to me. I know that, Perhaps, you’ll listen to Tufty. Here’s what he thought of fucking awful Bolton and what he thinks of your beloved ale house “football”.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05sd6g1

Listen carefully and Learn, Hoofers. It’s clear and unequivocal. He despises that which you love.

To the car parks, Hoofers... Only Semi-Pro and Dinosaur Dave can save us now...

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I posted that your comments all too often simply refer to the same tired old comments about hoofball and bladeyness and how you can never be wrong or that anyone can dare to disagree. You then go and write a long post that is essentially the same monologue you have offered up for years.

You are now becoming a parody of a parody of yourself.

You think many Blades want long ball football and think Reed, Long were going to make it and how anyone who has played for us before and done ok can't be brought back. We get it. You do not need to post it ad nauseam. You know what most Blades actually want good football. Most want winning football too (so sometimes a mixed style is good).

Most thought the era under Dave Bassett was tremendous and some of the football was bloody exciting albeit maybe direct at times. Most realise not all academy players will make it.

This bladeyness you describe comes from you. You say you are sick of it but keep going on about it sesoerately seeking for the odd few posts/opinions that have this bladeyness as you call it. Why perpetuate it? You don't like it. You don't like long ball. You hated Bassett (he was superb for United and 95% of fans rightly disagree pointing to some of their best times as a Blade when we upset some of the big sides and had 4 years in the top flight with bog all resources). We get it. You do not need to come on here every few days with essentially the same post. You say you have seen so much Football and profess to being an expert. Give us some different analysis outside of the tired repeats. Let's hear something different.

 

[blade.i.am]

Sometimes we just don't get the rub of the green. On another day the apostrophe could have ended up between the t and the s. C'est la vie.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

It surprises me that many of you on here are so unsympathetic towards His Pinchiness.

I have only been a member for a relatively short time, but it is clearly apparent that outbursts such as the one above only occur when he has forgotten to take his medication, and I have a great deal of empathy with that scenario.

Now, where the fuck is that Vallium ? Oh, sod it, I'll have another Scotch and start the New Year as I mean to go on.

UTB

 

[Pinchy]

I posted that your comments all too often simply refer to the same tired old comments about hoofball and bladeyness and how you can never be wrong or that anyone can dare to disagree. You then go and write a long post that is essentially the same monologue you have offered up for years.

You are now becoming a parody of a parody of yourself.

You think many Blades want long ball football and think Reed, Long were going to make it and how anyone who has played for us before and done ok can't be brought back. We get it. You do not need to post it ad nauseam. You know what most Blades actually want good football. Most want winning football too (so sometimes a mixed style is good).

Most thought the era under Dave Bassett was tremendous and some of the football was bloody exciting albeit maybe direct at times. Most realise not all academy players will make it.

This bladeyness you describe comes from you. You say you are sick of it but keep going on about it sesoerately seeking for the odd few posts/opinions that have this bladeyness as you call it. Why perpetuate it? You don't like it. You don't like long ball. You hated Bassett (he was superb for United and 95% of fans rightly disagree pointing to some of their best times as a Blade when we upset some of the big sides and had 4 years in the top flight with bog all resources). We get it. You do not need to come on here every few days with essentially the same post. You say you have seen so much Football and profess to being an expert. Give us some different analysis outside of the tired repeats. Let's hear something different.

What do you think of our manager’s interview?

Why do you perpetuate the myth that good football and winning football are mutually exclusive? They are, ultimately one and the same. Good football ultimately wins games and trophies; Bassett style fails.

“Maybe direct at times”. When wasn’t it direct? Is direct not a euphemism for ‘lump it’ in Bassett’s case? Don’t kid yourself that Bassett is some sort of people’s hero. Outside of S2 he’s regarded as exactly what he is. A footballing dinosaur who is bewildered by anything more sophisticated by Lurch lumping it to Cork or Fash. He couldn’t think of anything else to tell Bonehead Tracey to do even when Wilkinson made a complete mockery of it. 5-0 and no alternative. Dear oh dear. Wembley. The Pigs proper footballers played us off the pitch for 120 minutes. It was embarrassing. Credit where it’s due, eh?

Paul Williams, Vinny Jones, Mark Morris and a cast of thousands of nonentities. Wally Downes. Wally Fucking Downes.

Your attempted football alchemy does you no credit. It wasn’t “direct at times”. It was full-on Hoof. Constantly. It worked of course for a while but the right way (Tufty mentions it all the time. You Hoofers must have a silent little tantrum when he does) worked it out and it’s dead. No mourners.

You want to hear something different? So do I. I wanted something different from Bassett, Warnock and Semi-Pro and their one-dimensional, inelegant, unsophisticated version of the game. I wanted an end to kick and rush which has no continuing utility or the slightest aesthetic appeal.

So, I’ll look out for you tackling the frequent, tiresome harking back to Bassett’s Golden era in favour of something different. I expect you to point out that Reed hasn’t a prayer when Woody says he’s the next big thing. I expect you to point out that you don’t make players better by Wishing on a Star. I’m depending on you to make the argument that Sharp isn’t one iota a better player for being a Blade. I want to hear from you that ‘he knows the club’ is meaningless bollocks. I expect you to analyse why our manager doesn’t join in the utterly obsequious and embarrassing appreciation for the shite that Parkinson and the few remaining dinosaurs offer up as a substitute for football. I’d like your analysis of why many Bolton fans label their own club #hoof at the same time as the Good Old Bassett Boys in S2 are furiously tugging their forelocks to a throwback to the last century.

No? Then I can’t take you seriously and I’ll have to carry on confronting the drivel.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Cmon fellas, although i think there's no doubt about Pinchy's view on how the game should be played, don't you read his posts picturing a twinkle in his eye or a tongue firmly in his cheek ? I see it as just a bit of light hearted sport in the way it's delivered

 

[1973Blade]

What do you think of our manager’s interview?

Why do you perpetuate the myth that good football and winning football are mutually exclusive? They are, ultimately one and the same. Good football ultimately wins games and trophies; Bassett style fails.

“Maybe direct at times”. When wasn’t it direct? Is direct not a euphemism for ‘lump it’ in Bassett’s case? Don’t kid yourself that Bassett is some sort of people’s hero. Outside of S2 he’s regarded as exactly what he is. A footballing dinosaur who is bewildered by anything more sophisticated by Lurch lumping it to Cork or Fash. He couldn’t think of anything else to tell Bonehead Tracey to do even when Wilkinson made a complete mockery of it. 5-0 and no alternative. Dear oh dear. Wembley. The Pigs proper footballers played us off the pitch for 120 minutes. It was embarrassing. Credit where it’s due, eh?

Paul Williams, Vinny Jones, Mark Morris and a cast of thousands of nonentities. Wally Downes. Wally Fucking Downes.

Your attempted football alchemy does you no credit. It wasn’t “direct at times”. It was full-on Hoof. Constantly. It worked of course for a while but the right way (Tufty mentions it all the time. You Hoofers must have a silent little tantrum when he does) worked it out and it’s dead. No mourners.

You want to hear something different? So do I. I wanted something different from Bassett, Warnock and Semi-Pro and their one-dimensional, inelegant, unsophisticated version of the game. I wanted an end to kick and rush which has no continuing utility or the slightest aesthetic appeal.

So, I’ll look out for you tackling the frequent, tiresome harking back to Bassett’s Golden era in favour of something different. I expect you to point out that Reed hasn’t a prayer when Woody says he’s the next big thing. I expect you to point out that you don’t make players better by Wishing on a Star. I’m depending on you to make the argument that Sharp isn’t one iota a better player for being a Blade. I want to hear from you that ‘he knows the club’ is meaningless bollocks. I expect you to analyse why our manager doesn’t join in the utterly obsequious and embarrassing appreciation for the shite that Parkinson and the few remaining dinosaurs offer up as a substitute for football. I’d like your analysis of why many Bolton fans label their own club #hoof at the same time as the Good Old Bassett Boys in S2 are furiously tugging their forelocks to a throwback to the last century.

No? Then I can’t take you seriously and I’ll have to carry on confronting the drivel.

You're arguing against a point that no one is making. I have heard literally no one say 'forget the Wilder Way, let's go back to the Bassett days'. But it is possible to think (as I do) that we are witnessing the best football I've seen United play and also have fond memories of the Bassett and Warnock days. Including beating Manchester United in the FA Cup on our way to the Wembley semi final, thanks to a classic goal from Glyn 'quality goal from a quality player' Hodges. Sorry, he played under Bassett, he must have been a 'Hoofer'.

 

[BigBed]

Chocolate buttons, fantastic invention.

 

[1973Blade]

Chocolate buttons, fantastic invention.

Is that an early contender for Most Random Comment Of 2018

 

[sheffielder]

Cmon fellas, although i think there's no doubt about Pinchy's view on how the game should be played, don't you read his posts picturing a twinkle in his eye or a tongue firmly in his cheek ? I see it as just a bit of light hearted sport in the way it's delivered

No LM, he's a caaaant

 

[Large Mendonca]

No LM, he's a caaaant

Careful Sheff, you'll get quarantined again

 

[sheffielder]

Careful Sheff, you'll get quarantined again

He's worth it

 

[BigBed]

Is that an early contender for Most Random Comment Of 2018

I've used them a couple of times to get 'unwanted' ladies out of my bed, the morning after the night before....they work a treat!