Didzy racially abused [Off topic messages removed]

[Gerritforud]

Not always learnt from parents. Depends on company they keep.

Make social media accountable for identifying offenders and regulate them, simple

Always the parents responsibility, by law parents must ensure their child receives an education. If your 12 year old is tweeting this bile, you as a parent have failed and need to be held to account. No ifs or buts.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I don't know if the Chelsea thing is a rumour-become-fact. It was stated in one post and has been picked up as truth.

I personally haven't heard anything in a ground in years. If people do, they should report it asap.

It may be a lot better now but if you go back to the 70’s and 80’s they had a real problem which many on here will have seen with their own eyes. the NF as it was targeted many clubs during that era and Chelsea were most definitely one of those. As I said though no one club is immune as we have seen time and again.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Black lives matter...... Fot Internet trolls.....

I'm sorry but this country has gone backwards.... Don't tell me it hasn't... I'm not buying it.

This is 2020... Apparently..... Feels more like 1820....

Just what the feck is going off....?

Agree...we are quickly losing freedom of speech and there are attempts to restrict freedom of thought. The brain washing and propaganda regards black lives matter and the covid 19 desease.....just shows how people can be manipulated to think what ever the government wants....it’s quite disturbing what social media has become.

i’ve heard white people actually say that racism is so abhorent...it’s as though the culprits need burning at the stake or 20 years in prison. I’ve even heard people say that people who don’t wear masks also need reporting to the police and put in prison. It’s all gone quite weird as though it’s now trial by twitter.

 

[Rev]

Agree...we are quickly losing freedom of speech and there are attempts to restrict freedom of thought. The brain washing and propaganda regards black lives matter and the covid 19 desease.....just shows how people can be manipulated to think what ever the government wants....it’s quite disturbing what social media has become.

i’ve heard white people actually say that racism is so abhorent...it’s as though the culprits need burning at the stake or 20 years in prison. I’ve even heard people say that people who don’t wear masks also need reporting to the police and put in prison. It’s all gone quite weird as though it’s now trial by twitter.

Ok, can you clarify:
Are you suggesting it's wrong for white people to say racism is so abhorrent?
And are you defending freedom of speech when it comes to racism?

 

[Crouchy]

we are quickly losing freedom of speech

Are we? That's news to me. How so?

 

[Rocketmark66]

I'm hoping that the Premier league, and South Yorkshire Police, are as vigorous in attempting to uncover & catch this cretin as they were in identifying the young lad that tweeted about Zaha.

 

[PokerBlade]

Agree...we are quickly losing freedom of speech and there are attempts to restrict freedom of thought. The brain washing and propaganda regards black lives matter and the covid 19 desease.....just shows how people can be manipulated to think what ever the government wants....it’s quite disturbing what social media has become.

i’ve heard white people actually say that racism is so abhorent...it’s as though the culprits need burning at the stake or 20 years in prison. I’ve even heard people say that people who don’t wear masks also need reporting to the police and put in prison. It’s all gone quite weird as though it’s now trial by twitter.

I think there's an awful lot of doublethink goes on about racism. Lots of people say that racism is abhorrent and they despise racists but are then incredibly hesitant to actually call anyone racist. And if there's an element of government manipulation here it's been precisely that over the years people have been conditioned to think of racism as something that exists deep in people's hearts. Because that way, given we can never truly know someone's true feelings or intentions, essentially nothing can ever be called racist. And the reason this line was taken was that then a much broader range of policies can be justified.

Take the recent Supreme Court case in the US over voter ID laws. One of the things in the ruling was that they specifically researched what type of IDs black people most commonly had and least commonly had compared to white people, then they attempted to ban the forms most used by black people and allow those used by white people. They were full of such tactics, to the point the verdict said they "targeted black people with almost surgical precision", but EVEN THAT isn't enough to be seen as blatantly racist because, hey, we're just after sensible voting regulations and this applies to everyone equally. Even something as so clearly disgusting as what they tried to do can be passed off an "not racist" because it avoided ever being explicit about treating black citizens differently.

Further more, we've ended up with this idea that racists are wholly evil people. They're not. Some are, no doubt, but most are normal people with a few questionable ideas about the world. A huge amount of people hold racist views, often unknowingly. But to accuse someone of racism has been turned into such a huge insult and attack that they'd better be way way over the line or you'll be seen as a crazy political-correctness-gone-mad leftist.

Far too much have we been about confronting the appearance of racism over tackling issues themselves. And this has been a very deliberate tactic in politics for decades. If you're worried about being manipulated this is the kind of thing that should be top of the list.

 

[GodricBlade]

A little late to the game with this but have just seen the awful, awful post sent to Didzy.
I almost cried.
I’m not a Twitterati or a Facebooker and live a bit of a sheltered life when it comes to social media but that is one of the most hurtful & shameful things I’ve ever seen or heard.
Twitter should investigate & identify the ‘thing’ responsible (hard to call them a person).
Chelsea should to do the same.
The police should be involved.
Someone knows who he/she is & they should share their details.

I was so happy Didz bagged a brace at the weekend & loved his interview afterwards.
What a player!
“Ooooooh David McGoldrick”

 

[Stockholm syndrom]

True....an Aston Villa fan sent a similar message to the Crystal Palace player Zaha.
The club and police did an investigation and found the culprit...he was 12 years old.

Thats the problem...we don’t know the motivation. It might be some pre pubescent school kid just wanting attention.
Social media allows kids to say things they would never say face to face.There needs to better registration ID control.

Think there is no motivation myself other than children that are brought up with their parents and peers views on the world. Don’t blame the kids blame the parents as much I say. Nobody is born a racist ignorant person...it’s bred.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

Are we? That's news to me. How so?

From various places over the last few years, on the left-right spectrum and off it:

Twitter Joke Trial - Glinner was on the right side of this funnily enough
Colin Moriarty - some joke about women the likes of which we see on hear half a dozen times a week
Jordan Peterson - pronouns and compelled speech, how he first became widely known
James Damore - lost his job at Google
Bret Weinstein - lost his job at Evergreen
Police attacking reporters - various incidents at recent BLM protests
Milo at Berkeley - a massive bellend and about as dangerous as Freddie Starr (see image below)
The whole notion of "Dead naming"
Pronouns
Graham Linehan booted off Twitter, looks like they're currently after JK Rowling
Kevin Hart (Kevin fucking Hart) and the Oscars

There's a few.

Then there's anyone of dozens of people who've been "cancelled".

Then there's all the resultant self-censorship. What if you actually want to keep your job? What are you free to say?

And so on and so on and so on.

And for something ridiculous, some Houston estate agents are no longer using the phrase master bedroom “‘Master’ represents a stigma and place in time that we need to move forward from,” Tiffany Curry, a Houston real estate broker and owner of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices, told the Houston Chronicle. “As a progressive, diverse city, Houston should be reflective of its citizenship.”

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

And for something ridiculous, some Houston estate agents are no longer using the phrase master bedroom “‘Master’ represents a stigma and place in time that we need to move forward from,” Tiffany Curry, a Houston real estate broker and owner of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices, told the Houston Chronicle. “As a progressive, diverse city, Houston should be reflective of its citizenship.”

Though “Master” does have a specific set of connotations in a southern US state that it doesn’t have in, say, South Yorkshire.

 

[PokerBlade]

From various places over the last few years, on the left-right spectrum and off it:

Twitter Joke Trial - Glinner was on the right side of this funnily enough
Colin Moriarty - some joke about women the likes of which we see on hear half a dozen times a week
Jordan Peterson - pronouns and compelled speech, how he first became widely known
James Damore - lost his job at Google
Bret Weinstein - lost his job at Evergreen
Police attacking reporters - various incidents at recent BLM protests
Milo at Berkeley - a massive bellend and about as dangerous as Freddie Starr (see image below)
The whole notion of "Dead naming"
Pronouns
Graham Linehan booted off Twitter, looks like they're currently after JK Rowling
Kevin Hart (Kevin fucking Hart) and the Oscars

There's a few.

Then there's anyone of dozens of people who've been "cancelled".

Then there's all the resultant self-censorship. What if you actually want to keep your job? What are you free to say?

And so on and so on and so on.

And for something ridiculous, some Houston estate agents are no longer using the phrase master bedroom “‘Master’ represents a stigma and place in time that we need to move forward from,” Tiffany Curry, a Houston real estate broker and owner of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices, told the Houston Chronicle. “As a progressive, diverse city, Houston should be reflective of its citizenship.”

I feel like we're going into territory the admin don't want but with regards to JK Rowling she's touting a load of bollocks that both offensive but also completely contradictory to the current ideas of academics. She's a long way out of date on her science and she's doing it all under the guise of "Oh, I just care about women".

Peterson completely misunderstood the law he was so worried about.

Milo Yiannopoulos made controversial remarks about the positive aspects of paedophilia which he later tried to pass of as "only joking". Even the right don't want him any more.

None of these are free speech issues, and at least these three people where I've followed the controversy are facing condemnation because the things they're saying are utterly stupid.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Little heads up. If you buy a Blades Shirt of the website you can get Mcgoldrick on the back for nowt. £20 plus four pound postage. Offer ends on the 14th.

 

[Scarebus]

Talking of racism in grounds, I've not heard anything at BL for years (not saying that it isn't there) but, I take my lads to Old Trafford quite a bit, (yes, they're Man Utd fans for my sins) we went to the Crystal Palace game earlier in the season, and got chatting to 2 big blokes sat in front of us. Seemingly nice guys, proud it was their first ever live game at OT, life time fans.

Fast forward 20 minutes, Rashford is forced into an error, and the one of the blokes shouts "fucking hell, you stupid black cunt". Gob smacked at how casual it was and lead to some fairly uncomfortable conversations with my oldest lad at half time as he'd picked up on it. Marcus Rashford is literally my lads hero, and should have been for these 2 "life long fans" but that barrier exists in their minds. It's not going anywhere for them, it can't be educated out of them.

 

[corner_flag]

There was a thread on here about utds hardest player oconnell and Egan were proposed, I think it's didzy and I would love the pond life that posted that tweet to be put in room with him for about 20 seconds, that's all it would need.

He'd be justified, but I think he'd actually try and talk to them and get them to understand what was so wrong about sending a message like that to another human being

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

From various places over the last few years, on the left-right spectrum and off it:

Twitter Joke Trial - Glinner was on the right side of this funnily enough
Colin Moriarty - some joke about women the likes of which we see on hear half a dozen times a week
Jordan Peterson - pronouns and compelled speech, how he first became widely known
James Damore - lost his job at Google
Bret Weinstein - lost his job at Evergreen
Police attacking reporters - various incidents at recent BLM protests
Milo at Berkeley - a massive bellend and about as dangerous as Freddie Starr (see image below)
The whole notion of "Dead naming"
Pronouns
Graham Linehan booted off Twitter, looks like they're currently after JK Rowling
Kevin Hart (Kevin fucking Hart) and the Oscars

There's a few.

Then there's anyone of dozens of people who've been "cancelled".

Then there's all the resultant self-censorship. What if you actually want to keep your job? What are you free to say?

And so on and so on and so on.

And for something ridiculous, some Houston estate agents are no longer using the phrase master bedroom “‘Master’ represents a stigma and place in time that we need to move forward from,” Tiffany Curry, a Houston real estate broker and owner of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices, told the Houston Chronicle. “As a progressive, diverse city, Houston should be reflective of its citizenship.”

Freedom of speech does not mean that you can say what you want with consequence.

 

[FMBlade1]

I feel like we're going into territory the admin don't want but with regards to JK Rowling she's touting a load of bollocks that both offensive but also completely contradictory to the current ideas of academics. She's a long way out of date on her science and she's doing it all under the guise of "Oh, I just care about women".

Peterson completely misunderstood the law he was so worried about.

Milo Yiannopoulos made controversial remarks about the positive aspects of paedophilia which he later tried to pass of as "only joking". Even the right don't want him any more.

None of these are free speech issues, and at least these three people where I've followed the controversy are facing condemnation because the things they're saying are utterly stupid.

Who defines what stupid is though?

Galileo Galilei was lambasted as stupid and offensive and completely contradictory to the current ideas of academics and out of sync with the science of the time when he suggested the earth rotated around the sun.

 

[Freddy Dunning-Kruger]

Bret Weinstein didn't even say anything, he just refused to leave the campus when black students asked him to (the black students wanted all white people to leave campus for a day).

 

[Tarqs]

Always the parents responsibility, by law parents must ensure their child receives an education. If your 12 year old is tweeting this bile, you as a parent have failed and need to be held to account. No ifs or buts.

Don't you also think schools are a big influence on kids? I was never taught to swear, was brought up in a household of zero tolerance for swearing, I still swore. So who's at fault there? My parents?

 

[Ned the Donkey]

I feel like we're going into territory the admin don't want but with regards to JK Rowling she's touting a load of bollocks that both offensive but also completely contradictory to the current ideas of academics. She's a long way out of date on her science and she's doing it all under the guise of "Oh, I just care about women".

Peterson completely misunderstood the law he was so worried about.

Milo Yiannopoulos made controversial remarks about the positive aspects of paedophilia which he later tried to pass of as "only joking". Even the right don't want him any more.

None of these are free speech issues, and at least these three people where I've followed the controversy are facing condemnation because the things they're saying are utterly stupid.

Antifa and pals burning things down at Berkeley because Milo the Bellend is about to talk shite and stopping him seems to me about as clear a violation of free speech as it's possible to get.

(Also, a few weeks later: '"Free Speech Week" was officially canceled by the organizers.') https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

“Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.”

Agreed about the admins so that's it from me.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Sadly I wasn't surprised. I'm not going to debate anything, suffice to say that I see it, hear it and read it very frequently. Not as blatant as this, mostly subtle and passive but common.

 

[Bladesman]

Do we still not know who sent the message to Didsy? Was it a Chelsea fan?

 

[FleaPitBlade]

Like the rest of football, Sheffield United have a racism problem... now let's do something about it

As a white middle-class man, I recognise the limits of my experience of racism in football.

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[PokerBlade]

Who defines what stupid is though?

Galileo Galilei was lambasted as stupid and offensive and completely contradictory to the current ideas of academics and out of sync with the science of the time when he suggested the earth rotated around the sun.

Me. I decide.

Seriously though, we're not talking about Gallileo being impugned by a political power for questioning the holy text here. We're talking about, say in the case of JK Rowling, someone who is repeatedly empirically wrong in the most incendiary ways she can think of. Now that's a hill she's free to die on if she so chooses, but she's the equivalent of an inventor wondering why his perpetual motion machine keeps getting rejected by the physics department. The overwhelming consensus from the medical, psychological, and sociological professions are saying she's wrong. If that's not enough to call her opinions stupid then nothing ever will be.

Antifa and pals burning things down at Berkeley because Milo the Bellend is about to talk shite and stopping him seems to me about as clear a violation of free speech as it's possible to get.

(Also, a few weeks later: '"Free Speech Week" was officially canceled by the organizers.') https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

“Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.”

Agreed about the admins so that's it from me.

Sorry, freedom of speech is freedom from state sanctions, it's not freedom from protests. The right to protest is also an important right.

 

[Gerritforud]

Antifa and pals burning things down at Berkeley because Milo the Bellend is about to talk shite and stopping him seems to me about as clear a violation of free speech as it's possible to get.

(Also, a few weeks later: '"Free Speech Week" was officially canceled by the organizers.') https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

“Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.”

Agreed about the admins so that's it from me.

Tell that twisted crap to kids long enough and you end up with them posting messages like the one to Didz.

 

[BobblesBlade]

A minority of idiots will always be around causing crap.

 

[FMBlade1]

Me. I decide.

Seriously though, we're not talking about Gallileo being impugned by a political power for questioning the holy text here. We're talking about, say in the case of JK Rowling, someone who is repeatedly empirically wrong in the most incendiary ways she can think of. Now that's a hill she's free to die on if she so chooses, but she's the equivalent of an inventor wondering why his perpetual motion machine keeps getting rejected by the physics department. The overwhelming consensus from the medical, psychological, and sociological professions are saying she's wrong. If that's not enough to call her opinions stupid then nothing ever will be.




Sorry, freedom of speech is freedom from state sanctions, it's not freedom from protests. The right to protest is also an important right.

Agree with your last point in theory. In reality the way things are going it will be impossible for many to have a job if they don't conform to societies views. As we've discussed before that is terrible for our culture and who does that benefit?

And I don't care about what is consensus, I care about what is right. Only by discussions can we get there.

Edit: To be perfectly clear as this may be seen out of context, this is completely separate to the racism issue.

 

[silverfox]

Sadly I wasn't surprised. I'm not going to debate anything, suffice to say that I see it, hear it and read it very frequently. Not as blatant as this, mostly subtle and passive but common.

I think to debate is too late...education is the key. The subtle and the passive has to grow out of generations I'm afraid.

What's happened in the last few days has made me feel sick in the stomach.

It's not going to change anytime soon which is so sad.

Take care my friend.

 

[PokerBlade]

Agree with your last point in theory. In reality the way things are going it will be impossible for many to have a job if they don't conform to societies views. As we've discussed before that is terrible for our culture and who does that benefit?

And I don't care about what is consensus, I care about what is right. Only by discussions can we get there.

Edit: To be perfectly clear as this may be seen out of context, this is completely separate to the racism issue.

I don't think JK Rowling losing her Twitter is representative of a major problem in people losing their jobs. It goes back to what I said in an earlier post about how social media has become so pervasive faster than we've been able to adapt to it. Either everyone is found out for having offensive views and so we just carry on because we're all the same, or people figure out that if you make a statement publicly then it may have repercussions and change their behaviour. I think we're tempted to believe there was ever a time where you could say what you want without any backlash but that's never been the case. The difference today is how widely heard your voice can be. Whenever JK Rowling or Jordan Peterson or Milo "I wouldn't give such good head if it weren't for father Michael" Yiannopoulis want to recant their ideas then I'll be the first to welcome them back into the fore.

And the point about consensus is that it's the result of the discussions. Psychology and medicine haven't become pro-trans because they had a meeting and all agreed, arbitrarily, that it's a cool idea, it's because years of academic research and studying of the data by those with the expertise has led us to a conclusion. Will the position change over time? Sure. But it's never going to go backwards and agree with JK Rowling. That time has gone, we know better. It's like the science of evolution - conversations will continue to be had, our understanding will change, new information will arise, new evidence will be found, but creationism is dead in the water. If you care about what's right, side with the science even if only tentatively.

 

[FMBlade1]

I don't think JK Rowling losing her Twitter is representative of a major problem in people losing their jobs. It goes back to what I said in an earlier post about how social media has become so pervasive faster than we've been able to adapt to it. Either everyone is found out for having offensive views and so we just carry on because we're all the same, or people figure out that if you make a statement publicly then it may have repercussions and change their behaviour. I think we're tempted to believe there was ever a time where you could say what you want without any backlash but that's never been the case. The difference today is how widely heard your voice can be. Whenever JK Rowling or Jordan Peterson or Milo "I wouldn't give such good head if it weren't for father Michael" Yiannopoulis want to recant their ideas then I'll be the first to welcome them back into the fore.

And the point about consensus is that it's the result of the discussions. Psychology and medicine haven't become pro-trans because they had a meeting and all agreed, arbitrarily, that it's a cool idea, it's because years of academic research and studying of the data by those with the expertise has led us to a conclusion. Will the position change over time? Sure. But it's never going to go backwards and agree with JK Rowling. That time has gone, we know better. It's like the science of evolution - conversations will continue to be had, our understanding will change, new information will arise, new evidence will be found, but creationism is dead in the water. If you care about what's right, side with the science even if only tentatively.

I don't really care about JK Rowling. The only reason she can say what she says is that she is too big to cancel or lose anything significant that she cares about. Its the 'average' person that this issue pertains to more.

I'm yet to see a conclusive confirmation proving her wrong so please provide a study. I'm not standing up for her or saying that she is right, but I find 'the science is settled' statement unnerving when no science is provided.

Let's say that someone lost their job for saying that Ched was innocent on Twitter in 2015. Would that be justified? Such a statement would be offensive and against majority of thought by society/evidence at that time.

What we're really looking at here is the Overton Window:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Of course the abuse this thread is about falls completely outside this window. The question is, what else should be and where is that line drawn and what consequences should there be for those outside it?