Dean Smith asked by Sky

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Dean Smith: Sheffield United 'ghost goal' and Leeds incident incomparable

Goal-line technology failed to register Villa goalkeeper Orjan Nyland carrying ball across line in 0-0 draw on Wednesday; Leeds let Villa equalise after controversial goal last April

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[shorehamview]

“....that's sporting integrity, this is technology."

Of course he’s going to say they are incomparable, otherwise he will look like a hypocritical twat.

On, hang on a minute....

 

[Grecian2000]

He's right.

Nothing to do with Villa. Full responsibility sits with VAR. They had the pictures and, for reasons I haven't seen explained. chose to keep the information from the match referee. Inexcusable and heads should roll, but they won't.

 

[FredZeppelin]

Inexcusable and heads should roll, but they won't.

Because it's only 'little old SheffieldUnited'. If this had been Man Utd or Liverpool the shitstorm would have been enormous. Blanket coverage on Sky and questions asked at all levels. But it's us.

'It'll blow over in a coiuple of days'.

UTB

 

[Punk Blade]

So against Leeds, your players were stupid and stopped while the ball was in play.

Against us, your players knew the ball was over the line and acted dishonestly with zero sporting integrity.

To sum up: Aston Villa’s actions contribute to the situations, and then they expect everything to go in their favour.

Come on Bournemouth, Watford and Brighton.

 

[madeinsheffield]

He knew at half time the goal should have stood, integrity my arse

 

[Tezza1889]

I have to say that the sporting integrity of keepers was the reason goal line technology was implemented in the first place.

So the keeper didnt cheat then, regardless of everybody looking at the realisation in his face as he struggles in the side netting...

Anybody expecting anything resembling honesty from from John Terry and Co, needs to give thier head a wobble..

It's done, we make history again at our cost, we move on safe in the knowledge that var will be used in favour of our opposition again in the next match.

 

[PokerBlade]

So against Leeds, your players were stupid and stopped while the ball was in play.

Against us, your players knew the ball was over the line and acted dishonestly with zero sporting integrity.

To sum up: Aston Villa’s actions contribute to the situations, and then they expect everything to go in their favour.

Come on Bournemouth, Watford and Brighton.

I just generally dislike the idea of putting it on managers and players to be sporting. If there's a behaviour that's unacceptable then make it a rule and enforce it. I said this back after the Leeds incident as well fwiw. A Villa player stepping forward and saying "It was well over the line, ref" would take a level of honesty and courage that I'm not sure you can reasonably expect them to do it. Don't get me wrong, it'd be great if they did, but I don't expect that much from a player.

Even Bielsa didn't go far enough or he'd have had a player walk off the pitch vs. Villa to make up for Bamford's disgraceful dive along with giving a goal back. Better to stick to the old fashioned play-to-the-whistle and if officials don't pick up on or properly enforce the rules then it's a question for them, not Dean Smith.

 

[Varkanoid]

Despite all this I will still take 6th place.

 

[Dimyan93]

Lost all respect I had for him in the last few days. Pressure of the Prem and he probs knows his times up as soon as they get relegated.

 

[Punk Blade]

I just generally dislike the idea of putting it on managers and players to be sporting. If there's a behaviour that's unacceptable then make it a rule and enforce it. I said this back after the Leeds incident as well fwiw. A Villa player stepping forward and saying "It was well over the line, ref" would take a level of honesty and courage that I'm not sure you can reasonably expect them to do it. Don't get me wrong, it'd be great if they did, but I don't expect that much from a player.

Even Bielsa didn't go far enough or he'd have had a player walk off the pitch vs. Villa to make up for Bamford's disgraceful dive along with giving a goal back. Better to stick to the old fashioned play-to-the-whistle and if officials don't pick up on or properly enforce the rules then it's a question for them, not Dean Smith.

Sometimes it is needed though. Leon walked a goal in for Bury when Doncaster scored by accident attempting to return the ball after Bury had put it out.

I remember Robbie Fowler once jumping up and protesting a yellow card for a dive that the referee was actually awarding as a penalty in his favour. He didn’t think it was a penalty and said so. He told David Seaman which way he was going to put it and the penalty was saved (why he didn’t just put it wide I don’t know).

Maybe there aren’t that many examples, certainly not enough examples, but players and managers should be encouraged to play fairly, and congratulated when they show sporting behaviour. I hate Leeds and thought Klich, Bamford and Jansson were disgraceful in their behaviour against Villa, but I have to applaud Bielsa for his actions and taking fair play into his own hands.

Smith’s players knew it was in and would have told him so in the dressing room at half time. The only way of correcting the error at that point was for Smith to instruct his players to allow us to walk a goal in. There is no way to put a rule in for that.

 

[mattbianco1]

I agree with him. Villa shouldn't have given us the goal. Totally different circumstances.

I have been wondering though. Play eventually stopped with us winning a free kick. Could we have insisted on a VAR review before taking the free kick?

 

[diplomat]

Because it's only 'little old SheffieldUnited'. If this had been Man Utd or Liverpool the shitstorm would have been enormous. Blanket coverage on Sky and questions asked at all levels. But it's us.

'It'll blow over in a coiuple of days'.

UTB

I had a look earlier on sky sports and the bbc footy sections and there was no mention of it. As if it is of no issue and no debate is required. It’s bizarre!

 

[Punk Blade]

Here’s a question though: if Villa had let us walk the ball in, would we have brought McGoldrick on to get him off the mark?

 

[Danny_Blade]

To some of the posts above - regardless of the opposition teams' honesty and integrity it counts for very little these days anyway.

For starters there aren't that many teams that have that level of integrity to begin with and secondly, even in the hypothetical event the Villa players including their keeper all surrounded the Ref and told him it honestly went over the line he still wouldn't have awarded our goal.

He has to rely fully on the technology which is completely wrong and should be changed to the proviso that should the tech fail then that is when it should come down to the human factor, in our case for instance it would be this - if the Ref actually sees the ball clearly go over the line with his own eyes and also to consult with the linesman then they should be allowed to have the final decision to award it or not, this way it comes down to common sense but it's just not allowed these days is it?

But obviously I seriously doubt they will ever go back to the human factor and will always continue to rely on the technology 100%.

 

[diplomat]

I agree with him. Villa shouldn't have given us the goal. Totally different circumstances.

I have been wondering though. Play eventually stopped with us winning a free kick. Could we have insisted on a VAR review before taking the free kick?

I’ve been wondering too. If the keeper had angrily booted the ball in to the net out of frustration, and the ref’s watch didn’t buzz, because it was turned off, would they have waved play on from that too? Because the Shockley park reason was all based on the ref not getting buzzed.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Here’s a question though: if Villa had let us walk the ball in, would we have brought McGoldrick on to get him off the mark?

No. We would need a goal from it.
Sorry didz, love ya.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Here’s a question though: if Villa had let us walk the ball in, would we have brought McGoldrick on to get him off the mark?

We would probably have played it from wing to wing two or three times, trying to find the perfect crossing opportunity, only for McBurnie to take a swing and a miss at the cross, it hit his standing foot and bobble wide for a goal-kick....










Yes-sssssssssssssss, it is a fucking wind-up.

 

[BlairBlade]

I know it has been pointed out many times elsewhere, but at the very least 2 Villa players knew the ball had crossed the line. However, they and any others in their side who knew pretended it hadn't and that it wasn't a goal.

Whatever garbage excuses for the technology and the weak incompetence of the referee/lineman - it is simply a fact that some of the Villa players cheated.

Very creditable behaviour and obviously bucket-loads of integrity.

I hope they go down.

 

[Punk Blade]

No. It would need a goal from it.
Sorry didz, love ya.

New question:

In circumstances where one team allows another to walk in a goal, do they get a second go at it if they somehow fail to score?

 

[Speedracer]

I remember Robbie Fowler once jumping up and protesting a yellow card for a dive that the referee was actually awarding as a penalty in his favour. He didn’t think it was a penalty and said so. He told David Seaman which way he was going to put it and the penalty was saved (why he didn’t just put it wide I don’t know).

I am not a betting man but I would wager that a soft penalty on target would give a clue to the crowd it was on purpose, missing the goal wouldn't.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He didn't justify it at all.

Could tell he was uncomfortable. He knows "sporting integrity" was compromised. Hypocritical bell end.

Roles reversed, does he cry to Wilder & try to get a goal given - as he did with Leeds. Yes. Does Wilder allow it? Yes.

 

[PokerBlade]

Sometimes it is needed though. Leon walked a goal in for Bury when Doncaster scored by accident attempting to return the ball after Bury had put it out.

I remember Robbie Fowler once jumping up and protesting a yellow card for a dive that the referee was actually awarding as a penalty in his favour. He didn’t think it was a penalty and said so. He told David Seaman which way he was going to put it and the penalty was saved (why he didn’t just put it wide I don’t know).

Maybe there aren’t that many examples, certainly not enough examples, but players and managers should be encouraged to play fairly, and congratulated when they show sporting behaviour. I hate Leeds and thought Klich, Bamford and Jansson were disgraceful in their behaviour against Villa, but I have to applaud Bielsa for his actions and taking fair play into his own hands.

Smith’s players knew it was in and would have told him so in the dressing room at half time. The only way of correcting the error at that point was for Smith to instruct his players to allow us to walk a goal in. There is no way to put a rule in for that.

But it's better to make rules around it. I don't even like putting the ball out of play for the opposition, that's the referee's job. Or just make it so that if the ref has been informed that a player is returning the ball then it must be returned to the opposing goalkeeper before play resumes. Rules are better than convention in sport.

The interesting thing about the Fowler incident (and I grant this is debatable) is that Fowler was wrong. He had to jump to avoid Seaman charging at him. There's not contact needed in order to make that a foul. And it's the ambiguity of situations like that which is why players shouldn't be making decisions about the rules during a game.

All I'm saying is this: I'll agree it's a good thing to give a goal back in that scenario, I just don't blame someone if they don't. It's a bit like risking your own life to save a stranger from drowning. It's a great thing if you do it but I'm not really going to judge someone if they don't.

 

[gordoncharles]

Before 2013 there was no such thing as goalline technology.

Plenty of times the ball will have gone in, defenders and keeper will have known it, but they kept playing anyway.

I doubt Villa's players expected to get away with that, but they did.

Everyone who's doing so, stop squealing and get on with the bloody game.

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

I think the least amount of blame lies with Dean Smith and Aston Villa - but there is blame there. They knew it was a goal and did nothing. It should never get that far but, once it does, I think sporting integrity means that they have a duty to do something. For him to then, in the same press conference, say that his side kept a clean sheet (they didn't) is a slap in the face too.

FWIW, Villa deserved a point and, if any side deserved three points, it was them. But football doesn't work like that so that is irrelevant. We deserved to win at Wolves but didn't, we deserved a point at Man City and home to Liverpool but didn't get them.

Mind you, VAR/PGMOL are the most to blame. Absolutely horrendous.

 

[BushBlade]

If we were in the relegation places and Wilder had let them score in those circumstances I’d be calling him naive. I don’t blame Smith for not letting us score, if they go down he’ll be out of a job.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

He's right.

Nothing to do with Villa. Full responsibility sits with VAR. They had the pictures and, for reasons I haven't seen explained. chose to keep the information from the match referee. Inexcusable and heads should roll, but they won't.

Because of all the fuss the PL have told VAR they can only intervene in certain situations. GLT isn't one of them.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Smith saw the incident on the pithside monitor in the immediate aftermath whilst stood next to Wilder. The same pictures we all saw at home. Hence the incidents are comparable. He also had the opportunity to order his players to walk the ball in at the start of the second half. The fuck up wasn't his or Villa's fault, but the reaction to it was. Hypocrite.

 

[Groucho Blade]

Here’s a question though: if Villa had let us walk the ball in, would we have brought McGoldrick on to get him off the mark?

Got to be Billy Sharp’s goal, surely. No way Billy would allow anyone else to have it.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Because of all the fuss the PL have told VAR they can only intervene in certain situations. GLT isn't one of them.

This was contradicted by VARs own statement, which basically reads: It is part of VARs remit, but we weren't expecting it so it's not our fault.