Cup win vs. League Survival?

[Ricky]

We can stay in the Premier League and get rich. But I guarantee the PL will become boring very quickly. And that money doesn't go into my pocket, or yours.

A domestic cup is the most we can win. A cup win is success, a cup win is history. Survival is just that, and quickly forgettable.

I'd take any chance we get to win a cup. But we'll always find an excuse to not take it seriously.

 

[DronnieBlade]

If there is a single person that would trade the 3 points from Saturday, for progress to the next round of the “Rumbelows”, make themselves known !

Thought not .

UTB

 

[bypassblade]

It's been said winning a cup is lucky, it's 6 or 7 games winning a title is longevity, with a smattering of luck I'll agree on. I'd like to see us survive with some aplomb this season and build on it, shut up such twats as that Mills & him off talk radio, oh and that fat wet spam supporter who writes for a paper.

 

[snootyfenooty]

League

We've got the manager, the support and the backbone of a good side.

If we can avoid the drop this season, we'll be in thw top flight for a while.

The manager's team choice last night was doomed to failure, the support was shit and the side had no backbone.

Keep that up and we won't be in the top flight much longer.

 

[Brian Blessed]

Cup win = 1 trophy and 50k

League Survival = 0 trophies & 200m

Theres the difference, thought I would love both.

Well there's absolutely no reason why it can't be both, winning a cup doesn't guarantee relegation.

The team that wins the cup is always somebody else though. Wouldnt you like it to be us for a change. Are you going to be get misty eyed telling your grandchildren about the season we avoided relegation, or the day we won the cup at Wembley?

Wednesday fans still bang on about winning the league cup donkeys years ago and we take the piss but why do they do it it's because just for once they experienced that feeling of winning a cup final. Who on here wouldn't bloody love us to do the same?

 

[Grecian2000]

So, for the last few years it's been "Can't afford cup runs, we need to concentrate on promotion" and now it's "can't afford cup runs, concentrate on avoiding relegation".
This from supporters of a club who haven't won a trophy (which is the reason we play the damn game, NOT money) for nearly 100 years. Can't get my breath.

Absolute no brainer, win the FA Cup, we certainly aren't going to win the league any time soon.
Of course we could all be happy with our trophy winning record going:

1898, 1899, 1902, 1915, 1925, NEVER AGAIN!

Aside from the fact I'd be dead now, I'd have liked to be a Blade at the turn of that Century.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Well there's absolutely no reason why it can't be both, winning a cup doesn't guarantee relegation.

The team that wins the cup is always somebody else though. Wouldnt you like it to be us for a change. Are you going to be get misty eyed telling your grandchildren about the season we avoided relegation, or the day we won the cup at Wembley?

Wednesday fans still bang on about winning the league cup donkeys years ago and we take the piss but why do they do it it's because just for once they experienced that feeling of winning a cup final. Who on here wouldn't bloody love us to do the same?

It's weird isn't it those who wouldn't be fussed. I've never seen them win owt in nearly 60 years. My dad never saw them win owt either. OK we're not the massive, I'll accept that but we're not Crewe Alexander either. If you're not playing to win anything, and lets face it, the cups are entirely winnable these days, then what's the point to it all?

 

[bypassblade]

Grecian we did win 4th division Championship, and the League 1 Championship both give you a trophy don't gloss over them. In addition only 5 teams have ever won all 4 divisions they are as follows, Sheffield United, Portsmouth Burnley Preston North End Wolverhampton Wanderers.

 

[bypassblade]

I've never seen them win owt in nearly 60 years.

But you have see my post above

 

[snootyfenooty]

Grecian we did win 4th division Championship, and the League 1 Championship both give you a trophy don't gloss over them. In addition only 5 teams have ever won all 4 divisions they are as follows, Sheffield United, Portsmouth Burnley Preston North End Wolverhampton Wanderers.

I bet Arsenal and co are reyt jealous. Winning those trophies are a product of failure, i.e. you had to get relegated first to have the opportunity of winning them.

 

[bypassblade]

I bet Arsenal and co are reyt jealous. Winning those trophies are a product of failure, i.e. you had to get relegated first to have the opportunity of winning them.

Snooty yes,you may have to get relegated mate, but it's how you come back and twice we came back as champions, tell me of any team that's turned down either of these titles they are titles when all said and done.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Snooty yes,you may have to get relegated mate, but it's how you come back and twice we came back as champions, tell me of any team that's turned down either of these titles they are titles when all said and done.

That's a fallacious argument. How far down do you go before you draw a line under it? Conference, Isthmian league, Northern Counties? Then you've got County Cup, Watney's Cup and a host of others to go at. It's generally accepted that the league plus the two cups are the premium prizes that count as "winning" something and I think you'll have a bit of difficulty convincing any one in the greater footballing world of otherwise.

 

[bypassblade]

As fans it's not our fault we get relegated if then we win respective league it should be celebrated, try telling players that work bloody hard for 9 months winning that league means sod all. You can only beat what's in front of you irrespective of the league, plus the League cup is well past it's best days. As for winning the league I suppose you mean PL well that is diluted now, so only a handful get the chance.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Wining the EFL Cup wins £100K in prize money
Winning the FA Cup wins £2 million in prize money (that’s 20 times more)
And being in the PL wins at least £120 million a season in prize money (that’s 1,200 times more prize money).

You do the mathe.

Once we are financially established....then I’d consider winning a cup even if it meant relegation
But at the moment a few seasons in the PL over rides everything.

Every prem club will take staying up to winning a cup , all clubs are businesses and the money is in the premiership no contest

 

[8lade]

If there is a single person that would trade the 3 points from Saturday, for progress to the next round of the “Rumbelows”, make themselves known !

Thought not .

UTB

I'd take getting knocked out by Blackburn in exchange for 3 points at home to Southampton. Guess what? We'd have still lost v Southampton.

 

[Houston_Blade]

If it’s a choice between the 2 on an exclusive basis, league 100 times out of 100.

 

[SB_90]

i mentioned it before it depends on which cup we are talking about. league cup id rather stay in the premier league. FA Cup other hand opposite story every day of the week id choose the fa cup.

love to be in the final nevermind win. we may laugh at Watford 6 -0 defeat. but they still completed a dream. of mine to sing abide with me when my team is in fa cup final

 

[snootyfenooty]

As fans it's not our fault we get relegated if then we win respective league it should be celebrated, try telling players that work bloody hard for 9 months winning that league means sod all. You can only beat what's in front of you irrespective of the league, plus the League cup is well past it's best days. As for winning the league I suppose you mean PL well that is diluted now, so only a handful get the chance.

Leicester won it. Good job Norwich pipped us to the Championship title last season as otherwise it would have been job done and we could have lived off that for the next 20 years.

In my younger years I won a trophy for some miniscule tournament. I got a trophy with a little plastic footballer stood atop a pedestal with his foot on the ball. Over the years the gold paint has completely flaked off it and it now resembles Morph standing on a Lego brick. I've still got it and am immensely proud of it but unfortunately my achievement didn't make the following year's Rothmans yearbook. Neither did it feature on the honours board at the National Football Museum.

I'm sorry, but nobody outside of the club gave a fuck about my trophy or United winning L1 or the old 4th division. Ask any United fan you know if he'll be an avid follower of L1 this year, I doubt it very much.

 

[YES Blade]

Wining the EFL Cup wins £100K in prize money
Winning the FA Cup wins £2 million in prize money (that’s 20 times more)
And being in the PL wins at least £120 million a season in prize money (that’s 1,200 times more prize money).

You do the mathe.

Once we are financially established....then I’d consider winning a cup even if it meant relegation
But at the moment a few seasons in the PL over rides everything.

Financially established? This is football, the more money we make, the more we’ll spend keeping up with the Jones’s!

 

[BladeFisher]

If we win the cup but get relegated it would be a pointless task. We would have a championship squad with no means of buying players capable of European Football.

If we can sustain the PL status for 2-3 years, then we may be in a position to enjoy good cup runs with a view to winning one.

If we draw with Liverpool saturday, last night will be forgotten by most

How old are you?

 

[mattbianco1]

How old are you?

Strange question. But if you click my profile it tells you.

I would absolutely LOVE to see us win a cup. But not this season if we could only choose Cup over Relegation. Survival is BY FAR the most important thing for our club this season.

 

[BladeFisher]

Is that what football has become for fans? Stay in the top league and bank the money?

It's an absolute disgrace that a club of our size hasn't even reached a final in getting on for 100 years!

We all want the club to progress and stay in the Premier League, but if we can't juggle that with beating League One clubs at home in the cup, there is something wrong.

The following clubs have not won at Wembley in the last 50 years. i.e not an FA Cup, League Cup, League Trophy or play off final.

Brentford, Exeter City, Lincoln City, Oldham Athletic, Rochdale, Sheffield United and Shrewsbury Town (but won Welsh Cup 4 times since 1970's). Great eh?

 

[BladeFisher]

Strange question. But if you click my profile it tells you.

I would absolutely LOVE to see us win a cup. But not this season if we could only choose Cup or Relegation. Survival is BY FAR the most important thing for our club this season.

Just wondered if it was an age thing. When you've watched the Blades for over 50 years and seen no cup success at all, the league is kind of irrelevant.

 

[mattbianco1]

Just wondered if it was an age thing. When you've watched the Blades for over 50 years and seen no cup success at all, the league is kind of irrelevant.

Nah mate. I'm 35. I would love us to win a cup, I really would but survival is the chance to sustain top flight football, put some daylight between us and them and with the money kicking about in the PL, coupled with CW, i'm confident of a Cup final at some point in the next 4 or 5 years

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

Great thread and divided opinion. Hate to say it but I would take an FA Cup win over survival. We would bounce back (not necessarily immediately) but a cup win would be etched in the memory forever. I bet older Coventry fans still dine out on Keith Houchen and Co in 1987

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

You needn't ask.

 

[Punk Blade]

Imagine ten years from now, would you remember fondly that 1-1 draw away from home with a few games left that made us mathematically safe from relegation, or would you rather have the memory of a day out at Wembley, the full cup final experience, at long last seeing us win there, and Billy Sharp lifting the oldest and most famous trophy of them all?

 

[Revolution]

The following clubs have not won at Wembley in the last 50 years. i.e not an FA Cup, League Cup, League Trophy or play off final.

Brentford, Exeter City, Lincoln City, Oldham Athletic, Rochdale, Sheffield United and Shrewsbury Town (but won Welsh Cup 4 times since 1970's). Great eh?

Lincoln won the Checkatrade in 2018 at Wembley so the list is even smaller...

 

[Kanye]

We can stay in the Premier League and get rich. But I guarantee the PL will become boring very quickly.

Speak for yourself mate. After years of watching us play mediocre opposition, in a half empty stadium, I'm going to embrace every last minute of premier league football.

When you get bored of the PL, what are you going to do next?

The manager's team choice last night was doomed to failure, the support was shit and the side had no backbone.

Keep that up and we won't be in the top flight much longer.

I dont understand, why would we not be in the top flight much longer if we continued to rest players and only open 2 sides of the ground for cup games?

If you're not playing to win anything, and lets face it, the cups are entirely winnable these days, then what's the point to it all?

I get what you're saying, and once our PL status is a bit more secure, I'd love us to focus more on the cups too.

However, the point to it all is simple, at least for me: I love live football and I love the routine that surrounds it. I don't question the point of my support based on our success.

 

[bypassblade]

I'm sorry, but nobody outside of the club gave a fuck about my trophy or United winning L1 or the old 4th division. Ask any United fan you know if he'll be an avid follower of L1 this year, I doubt it very much.

It's a shame you're so myopic the football league is 92 clubs well 72 plus PL, I can tell your no nipper but football started well before 92 mate. I for one am proud that we competed in these leagues through necessity and won them, you go down for a reason so you restart. We cannot all be Everton & Arsenal, teams get relegated even Man Utd have if you go to the EFL league page and look for league champions for respective leagues, you will see us winning 4th division & League1 something that can NEVER be removed. I love my club irrespective of division & I've seen them in 5 divisions it's just sad you cannot relate to United's history (and I never swore once).