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3 games in and I think it’s not just poor recruitment or a new manager who are the crux of the problem alone, but I think none of them understand the culture of the club is a big part of it.

I sensed a big disconnect been the United personnel and the fan base at Swansea yesterday. It appeared most of the side are either not good enough or just going through the motions and it’s worrying.

Throughout the years I’ve supported United there has been one prerequisite and that is that the players do everything with purpose on the front foot, be it defending or attacking. It’s not just a hoofwaffe mindset as good football is always appreciated, but just a bit of identity and something we are lacking at the minute.

In the past Bassett got it, Warnock, Wilder and Hecky too. It made great players out of footballers who might not have had the most ability but got the very best out their careers. The Wilder teams between 2016 and 2020 epitomised this as they was a collection of footballers who with the greatest of respect might not have been the most talented set of players who have ever represented the Blades but who through their mentality was very much a team where the total exceeded the sum total of its components.

I’ve been really disappointed with Selles as I really wanted him to be a success and I didn’t disagree with the parting of ways with Wilder although I’d have given him a dozen games at the start of this season. It feels like that he wants to shape a team according to his footballing principles rather than fitting what he has inherited in to a formation that suits the tools he already has, and this was the same mistake that Jokanovic made.

I also think our new owners are making a big mistake with their lack of visibility and engagement with the fan base. The Prince wasn’t great at this either but we always knew what his intentions were and what he wanted to achieve. I’m not demanding a constant presence but this disconnection between the ownership and fan base isn’t constructive at all.

It also feels that they want to completely change how things are done at this club, and they own it and are liberty to do what they want with it but completely trying to change the structure isn’t working or productive, especially this shift to AI scouting, even more so that we already had once of the most successful and productive youth systems in English Football and it’s senseless to completely change the recruitment in to that.

I walked out of Swansea and said to my lad this has got a relegation season written all over it. Not being overly dramatic, and I hope I’m wrong but I the signs are there and clear for all to see, and it feels like the board have done a lot more harm than good since last December
 

Zipwire said:
3 games in and I think it’s not just poor recruitment or a new manager who are the crux of the problem alone, but I think none of them understand the culture of the club is a big part of it.

I sensed a big disconnect been the United personnel and the fan base at Swansea yesterday. It appeared most of the side are either not good enough or just going through the motions and it’s worrying.

Throughout the years I’ve supported United there has been one prerequisite and that is that the players do everything with purpose on the front foot, be it defending or attacking. It’s not just a hoofwaffe mindset as good football is always appreciated, but just a bit of identity and something we are lacking at the minute.

In the past Bassett got it, Warnock, Wilder and Hecky too. It made great players out of footballers who might not have had the most ability but got the very best out their careers. The Wilder teams between 2016 and 2020 epitomised this as they was a collection of footballers who with the greatest of respect might not have been the most talented set of players who have ever represented the Blades but who through their mentality was very much a team where the total exceeded the sum total of its components.

I’ve been really disappointed with Selles as I really wanted him to be a success and I didn’t disagree with the parting of ways with Wilder although I’d have given him a dozen games at the start of this season. It feels like that he wants to shape a team according to his footballing principles rather than fitting what he has inherited in to a formation that suits the tools he already has, and this was the same mistake that Jokanovic made.

I also think our new owners are making a big mistake with their lack of visibility and engagement with the fan base. The Prince wasn’t great at this either but we always knew what his intentions were and what he wanted to achieve. I’m not demanding a constant presence but this disconnection between the ownership and fan base isn’t constructive at all.

It also feels that they want to completely change how things are done at this club, and they own it and are liberty to do what they want with it but completely trying to change the structure isn’t working or productive, especially this shift to AI scouting, even more so that we already had once of the most successful and productive youth systems in English Football and it’s senseless to completely change the recruitment in to that.

I walked out of Swansea and said to my lad this has got a relegation season written all over it. Not being overly dramatic, and I hope I’m wrong but I the signs are there and clear for all to see, and it feels like the board have done a lot more harm than good since last December
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The signs are certainly there and maybe it does run deeper but I’m still thinking Sellés can put it right if we get some bodies in for the defence ( particularly)
 
Cheeky Blade said:
The signs are certainly there and maybe it does run deeper but I’m still thinking Sellés can put it right if we get some bodies in for the defence ( particularly)
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Great post Zipwire! I think the owners are finally waking up to the realities of owning a club ( i hope so anyway) Can't have had any advisers on how to make a plan.Just hope it's not too late for this season.
Like you I sense a Relegation battle if we don't pull it together quickly.
What's amazing is doing nothing regarding signings with some useful players having been snapped up .Hopefully we can pull in some game changers and experience.
 
robbiez666 said:
When someone mentions the culture of the club I presume they mean not winning anything for over 100 years.
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This is part of it really isn't it, do we just admit defeat and appoint yet another manager who needs to 'get it' - even though 'it' has produced no success within my lifetime, nor does it ever look likely to do so?

There is absolutely no reason that a different style can't be successful at this club. There's nothing special about us as a football club however much people want to think so, it's just another of those that need to look for a different way of doing things if it wants to actually make a name for itself again. All the evidence suggests that by carrying on the usual merry-go-round of traditional management will have us somewhere middling at the top end of the Championship.

What it needs is to be well-funded to be a success. It's on COH to make this a success. Maybe it won't happen within 12 months. It's such a big sea-change in approach that it may well need time to embed. Whilst there is an obvious need for short term results to keep us competing there should also be an element of patience from the fans. Wailing and screaming because we've lost a couple of games isn't doing anyone any good at all.

Yesterday wasn't that different to some of the away games last year with a better team. Maybe, just maybe, give it a chance before getting the pitchforks out.
 
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Blades fans have always been happier with muckandnettles upandatem football, they always will be. Most are happy with us just being better than the pigs and have no ambitions beyond this.

It’s a backwards and parochial mentality but it’ll never change so Selles will turn out to be a failure and we’ll end up cycling through managers until Billeh wants a crack at management.

We need ‘culture carriers’ as Chrisseh used to say all the time.
 
robbiez666 said:
When someone mentions the culture of the club I presume they mean not winning anything for over 100 years.
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In all seriousness, yes!

It's who we are. An unfashionable Northern city with fans who don't expect too much*.

*Sadly our entitled quotient has increased more than I could ever forsee.
 
I should coco said:
In all seriousness, yes!

It's who we are. An unfashionable Northern city with fans who don't expect too much*.

*Sadly our entitled quotient has increased more than I could ever forsee.
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I just want to be entertained and be moderately successful doing it.

I think our fans would be shocked if they knew most fans love players who run around a lot and say they love the club. If Bannan is so popular because of his workrate (to go with his ability).
 
Houston_Blade said:
Blades fans have always been happier with muckandnettles upandatem football, they always will be. Most are happy with us just being better than the pigs and have no ambitions beyond this.

It’s a backwards and parochial mentality but it’ll never change so Selles will turn out to be a failure and we’ll end up cycling through managers until Billeh wants a crack at management.

We need ‘culture carriers’ as Chrisseh used to say all the time.
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It’s not just muckandnettles and upandatem football that we want (although Pinchy would be enjoying that turn of phrase), it is just that the right attitude and doing everything positively and with a purpose should be a prerequisite, and it’s getting the fundamentals right.

It when we’ve got the fundamentals right that we give ourselves to freedom to turn on the style . Good football has always been winning football.
 
Bottom line is we missed out on promoting due to a dodgy decision to disallow a goal, poor fitness levels when it mattered and poor team selection in the games that mattered at the end of the season. Since then we've got rid of a couple of key players and not replaced them, signed a nice man up as manager who doesn't even look that great on paper but he's a modern thinker, and not heard even an inkling that the board cares, knows what they're doing or has a clear direction about a plan, any fucking plan will do at this stage.

Sadly this is the Sheffield United way, just when things look like they're heading in the right direction some cunt disappears with the wages, never to be seen again. We have a he male, she male, who knows what the fuck male, an African conman and now I don't know what.

We weren't that broken, a few tweaks and we'd have been fine but that's what our culture is Zipper, one of complete and utter pandemonium. The fans of our club are some of the most resilient in the game. The amount of shit that's cascaded down on us over the years would have seen many walk away and as I get older, I genuinely fear that this lot will start the rot, whoever they eventually give us away to will be just as bad and in the end, us and the pigs will be playing derby matches at Sheffield FCs ground with the fans feightin and falling out over the good old days.

UTBFTP 👊👊👊
 
Wards said:
This is part of it really isn't it, do we just admit defeat and appoint yet another manager who needs to 'get it' - even though 'it' has produced no success within my lifetime, nor does it ever look likely to do so?

There is absolutely no reason that a different style can't be successful at this club. There's nothing special about us as a football club however much people want to think so, it's just another of those that need to look for a different way of doing things if it wants to actually make a name for itself again. All the evidence suggests that by carrying on the usual merry-go-round of traditional management will have us somewhere middling at the top end of the Championship.

What it needs is to be well-funded to be a success. It's on COH to make this a success. Maybe it won't happen within 12 months. It's such a big sea-change in approach that it may well need time to embed. Whilst there is an obvious need for short term results to keep us competing there should also be an element of patience from the fans. Wailing and screaming because we've lost a couple of games isn't doing anyone any good at all.

Yesterday wasn't that different to some of the away games last year with a better team. Maybe, just maybe, give it a chance before getting the pitchforks out.
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Plucky little Sheffield United, spending the vast majority of our time soldiering away in the Championship. The occasional brief foray into the top division or slightly longer journeys down into L1 until normal service is eventually resumed. Keep doing the same things we’ve always done and accept that nobody from outside “gets us”. Maintain the old pals act at all costs because when we’ve gambled on doing things differently we’ve always done it half heartedly so clearly it can’t ever work no matter what. No matter how much football has changed we won’t. Just keep plodding along forever and ever.
 
Houston_Blade said:
Blades fans have always been happier with muckandnettles upandatem football, they always will be. Most are happy with us just being better than the pigs and have no ambitions beyond this.

It’s a backwards and parochial mentality but it’ll never change so Selles will turn out to be a failure and we’ll end up cycling through managers until Billeh wants a crack at management.

We need ‘culture carriers’ as Chrisseh used to say all the time.
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"parochial" looks to be turning into a bit of a buzz word on here at present?
 

Wards said:
This is part of it really isn't it, do we just admit defeat and appoint yet another manager who needs to 'get it' - even though 'it' has produced no success within my lifetime, nor does it ever look likely to do so?

There is absolutely no reason that a different style can't be successful at this club. There's nothing special about us as a football club however much people want to think so, it's just another of those that need to look for a different way of doing things if it wants to actually make a name for itself again. All the evidence suggests that by carrying on the usual merry-go-round of traditional management will have us somewhere middling at the top end of the Championship.

What it needs is to be well-funded to be a success. It's on COH to make this a success. Maybe it won't happen within 12 months. It's such a big sea-change in approach that it may well need time to embed. Whilst there is an obvious need for short term results to keep us competing there should also be an element of patience from the fans. Wailing and screaming because we've lost a couple of games isn't doing anyone any good at all.

Yesterday wasn't that different to some of the away games last year with a better team. Maybe, just maybe, give it a chance before getting the pitchforks out.
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Spot on that Wards
 
PrestwichBlade said:
Spot on that Wards
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Couldn't agree more.

Ownership change, management team changes, backroom staff changes, players changes but NONE of that excuses our team, seemingly not being able to put effort in and get a shot on target for two games.

The ability is there, we all know it. Never mind culture, this seems to me to be a personal responsibility issue, and our lads are dodging it. Yes, there's been change, but we've all been there at work. Head down, work hard, prove yourself and, preferably try not to get Selles sacked.

We expect better. We know they can do better, and this isn't just the last two games. The back end of last season saw the effort levels and commitment drop, so nothing will change until they get their fingers out, get their heads up, get fit and crack on.

I'm not giving them a pass and blaming the manager. That's an easy way out for the team and fans, even if both are missing the previous manager. Forget it, he's gone. Time to grow some and accept it.
 

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