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Sheff de party said:
Judges don't decide guilt, jurors do. And all of the evidence does not say that at all. You cannot possibly have read about it if you think that.
Football clubs don't necessarily. They choose their own morals - we all decide whether we can live with it. Often the people owning or playing for them are here for a few years at most - I'm a lifelong fan.
That's your opinion - my entire argument is that it shouldn't be a football decision. I don't doubt that he is a very good League One striker. Your argument however is completely flawed by the fact he did not score 40, did not get back in the Wales team and no one is after him. It makes very little sense from a football point of view, morality aside. £500k for someone who has been a flop in the Championship for us previously is madness.

Re your last point, I wonder what you and everyone else who wants him back would do if we signed a convicted child sex offender. Would you then claim it was about purely football, or would you feel a sense of outrage? If you stick to your argument it is purely about football, you can never have a problem with the morality of anyone we sign. That, is a tough place to be in. I move that it's not how you feel, therefore your argument is flawed.
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Why use a child sex offender as a comparison? That's ridiculous.
 

sheffielder said:
Can you find out why he's not played since the 4th March. His manager says it's because his body is not used to playing football. Judging that he played 29 games up to that point, something is a miss
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Something to do with paying him a fee chessie can't afford if the rumours are to be believed anyway....
 
DronnieBlade said:
Do you know that no one is after him ?

I would suggest, given the timing of today's news, that UTD have decided to act quickly now, for the precise reason that there ARE other interested parties.

Maybe !

UTB
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Or he's got us in court tomorrow.
 
Brian the Blade is gonna be absolutely off his tits tonight on PoG.

I'm struggling to see how this is a benefit to us for next season. Isn't that the price we paid for Moore? Are we expecting Ched to have that kind of impact to our team?

I doubt it, considering he's been benchwarming / injured most of this season at Chezzy.
 
S5Blade said:
Something to do with paying him a fee chessie can't afford if the rumours are to be believed anyway....
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But surely he would want to play for the reservers/u23 to keep fit. I'd play for free to get in teh shop window if I was Evans.
 
Roygbiv said:
Confusion is the word for me. Why now? Why after the season he's had? Why when they know the publicity it will cause? Why do something to overshadow this amazing season before it's even ended? Why bring in someone who already divides the fans after we have all been together for the first time in years?


WHY
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So it's all out of the way when they come back in July. Imagine if all this happened at the beginning of August. Get it out of the way now whilst all the celebrations will overshadow it and it'll all be forgotten about come pre-season......maybe !
 
Sheff de party said:
Judges don't decide guilt, jurors do. And all of the evidence does not say that at all. You cannot possibly have read about it if you think that.
Football clubs don't necessarily. They choose their own morals - we all decide whether we can live with it. Often the people owning or playing for them are here for a few years at most - I'm a lifelong fan.
That's your opinion - my entire argument is that it shouldn't be a football decision. I don't doubt that he is a very good League One striker. Your argument however is completely flawed by the fact he did not score 40, did not get back in the Wales team and no one is after him. It makes very little sense from a football point of view, morality aside. £500k for someone who has been a flop in the Championship for us previously is madness.

Re your last point, I wonder what you and everyone else who wants him back would do if we signed a convicted child sex offender. Would you then claim it was about purely football, or would you feel a sense of outrage? If you stick to your argument it is purely about football, you can never have a problem with the morality of anyone we sign. That, is a tough place to be in. I move that it's not how you feel, therefore your argument is flawed.
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It's very hard not to come over very patronising here.
But 1....Judges DO make decisions on guilt in certain courts.
2. How do you know nobody else is after him.
3. Have you read all th evidence? Up to this point, with no further appeal from the crown, he is NOT GUILTY. All evidence that was to be heard has been heard in a court.
4. we aren't signing a convicted sex offender, we aren't signing a convicted rapist. Football decisions can include the potential problems from signing a convicted sex offender....last time we backed out of signing a convicted rapist due to this. This time we haven't. A sex offenders baggage would be wholly different to the Evans situation.

I have been party to some very interesting facts from the time Evans was at the club last. I have also been party to boardroom level chat when it looked like he was coming back.
And the facts are this....She was very interested in not going to court provided a certain price was paid. She approached both the club and the player for this.We did have an agreement for him to come back and went back on it.

But me....I am against his signing because I would rather we concentrate on young talent. Football reasons.
I won't desert my club, or his team mates because I don't like one signing. That's a twats trick.
 
Well, McCabe will wipe out all the goodwill he's generated this season if this goes through.

And if we hear in a couple of months that the sale of one of our players for a similar sum is money we can't afford to turn down, shame on him.

I hope Wilder is on board with this. Clough certainly was not.
 

Staggered by some of the reaction to this. Can understand people having differing views on whether or not it's a good signing from a football point of view but people saying it's ruined the season?!

To ruin the season we've just had, we'd have to sack Wilder and replace him with a Megson / Jones combo. To let the signing of one player spoil your enjoyment of the season we've just had or even just your enjoyment of the Chesterfield game seems incredibly melodramatic.

I know (at least) one member of the Chesterfield coaching staff rated Evans very highly indeed. We as a fanbase know better than anyone just how good he can be. Any moral issues disappeared when he won his appeal.

I accept that he only did it over one season (but how many others performed well in the period he struggled?) but he was, by a country mile, our best striker since Brian Deane. Even when he was struggling, the likes of Gary Speed were on record about his ability and potential.

He's struggled for fitness after a long spell out but that's to be expected, hopefully he's done most of the slow recovery process at Chesterfield and we get a fit, fully firing Evans next season.

Definitely a gamble but the upside is huge and I'm really hopeful he'll prove to be a good signing. And on Sunday, I'll be celebrating our promotion and singing the names of Sharp, O'Connell, Coutts, Fleck, Wilder etc. I feel sorry for those who now won't be able to but I think the blame for that sits with them and not SUFC.
 
Bladezz said:
I've heard rumours the amount is closer to 150k. Obviously I won't divulge the details.

Don't see 500k. He has 1 year left and is a league two player. We bought carruthers / clarke etc for less.

Think it's a decent risk for a cheaper amount. 500k would be too much.
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I think at 150k with add-ons to become 500k it becomes a good gamble, and as someone else pointed out he might want to sue us so would save having to pay out on that as he would be back on a good wage with us, and if he performs then boom investment and then some, could make back on him and then some.
 
Liverpool blade said:
I'm thinking this may be a wind up because I've just looked on various news websites and apparently the story was put on social media by rob staton( radio Sheffield journalist!!). I don't know anything about this guy to prove that it's a credible story but it was in the daily express and daily star and that already puts major doubts in my mind!!. I have complete faith in wilder and knill. WE DON'T NEED HIM!!!!!!.
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Him, Giddings etc are usually itk to a certain degree
 
Grizzly blade said:
It's very hard not to come over very patronising here.
But 1....Judges DO make decisions on guilt in certain courts.
2. How do you know nobody else is after him.
3. Have you read all th evidence? Up to this point, with no further appeal from the crown, he is NOT GUILTY. All evidence that was to be heard has been heard in a court.
4. we aren't signing a convicted sex offender, we aren't signing a convicted rapist. Football decisions can include the potential problems from signing a convicted sex offender....last time we backed out of signing a convicted rapist due to this. This time we haven't. A sex offenders baggage would be wholly different to the Evans situation.

I have been party to some very interesting facts from the time Evans was at the club last. I have also been party to boardroom level chat when it looked like he was coming back.
And the facts are this....She was very interested in not going to court provided a certain price was paid. She approached both the club and the player for this.We did have an agreement for him to come back and went back on it.

But me....I am against his signing because I would rather we concentrate on young talent. Football reasons.
I won't desert my club, or his team mates because I don't like one signing. That's a twats trick.
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Yes - i think point 4 is defo worth making - he isnt a convicted rapist - that was overturned - and whatever Evans does, he has the right to carry on playing. For us, or any other club.
 
Revolution said:
Well, McCabe will wipe out all the goodwill he's generated this season if this goes through.

And if we hear in a couple of months that the sale of one of our players for a similar sum is money we can't afford to turn down, shame on him.

I hope Wilder is on board with this. Clough certainly was not.
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I think that would only be the case if it's McCabe pushing this through for whatever reason...if Wilder wants him for next season, he'll be reyt...these things have a way of 'leaking out'...
 
Grizzly blade said:
It's very hard not to come over very patronising here.
But 1....Judges DO make decisions on guilt in certain courts.
2. How do you know nobody else is after him.
3. Have you read all th evidence? Up to this point, with no further appeal from the crown, he is NOT GUILTY. All evidence that was to be heard has been heard in a court.
4. we aren't signing a convicted sex offender, we aren't signing a convicted rapist. Football decisions can include the potential problems from signing a convicted sex offender....last time we backed out of signing a convicted rapist due to this. This time we haven't. A sex offenders baggage would be wholly different to the Evans situation.

I have been party to some very interesting facts from the time Evans was at the club last. I have also been party to boardroom level chat when it looked like he was coming back.
And the facts are this....She was very interested in not going to court provided a certain price was paid. She approached both the club and the player for this.We did have an agreement for him to come back and went back on it.

But me....I am against his signing because I would rather we concentrate on young talent. Football reasons.
I won't desert my club, or his team mates because I don't like one signing. That's a twats trick.
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Have a like for that Grizzly ..... pretty much sums up my thoughts .
 
ekke287 said:
Brian the Blade is gonna be absolutely off his tits tonight on PoG.

I'm struggling to see how this is a benefit to us for next season. Isn't that the price we paid for Moore? Are we expecting Ched to have that kind of impact to our team?

I doubt it, considering he's been benchwarming / injured most of this season at Chezzy.
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No different to Leon Clarke then.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Why use a child sex offender as a comparison? That's ridiculous.
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No it isn't. The point I'm making is that to say it's a purely footballing decision is ridiculous. But if that's what people think this is, you're either committed to that viewpoint regarldless of what the person has done, or you condone his actions to the extent that he can come and play for us.

I don't judge anyone for being ok with him playing for us. That's a reasonable viewpoint, albeit incorrect in my opinion. As long as you can accept that some people can and will have a problem with it.
 
Some are saying £500k will prove to be a bargain, well what about when we could've had him for nothing when he came out of the nick only for our board to be a set of spineless twats and buckling under the pressure?

I couldn't give a fuck whether we sign him or not now but why has it come out now is a big question I'd like to be asked by that cunt Statton or our man Giddings.
 
If she had any self-respect she'd rejoin as a patron so she could flounce off again
 

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