Crushed at the turnstiles

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grafikhaus said:
By the standards of SYPD, this was a success - nobody died. It seems obvious that the pigs and the cops made going to this match as difficult as possible for SUFC fans. A few diversionary stories about 'trouble' on London Road and Bessemer is meant to deflect attention from what could have been (another) disaster at the theatre of rust.

Good luck to any pigs going to the return fixture.



What do you expect from some cunts who can't even spell 'cord'.
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Oops!
 



Football Heaven 'on now' let us know the truth and what happend...
 
SwissBlade said:
Just heard on the Radio Sheffield News that the South Yorkshire Police declared their operation a "success".

So hundreds stuck in a Police escort and then forced in through 1-2 turnstiles, missing 1 possibly 2 goals (15 mins of the game) how can this be a success?!?

What a disgrace
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What do you expect from the most incompetent, corrupt,lying police force in the entire country !!
 
SwissBlade said:
I got a reply to my tweet, see belowView attachment 31358

I've responded that reports of overcrowded trams forced people to pull the chord. They could've delayed Kick Off.

I wasn't there so can't speak for the actual situations but from what i've picked up, we had hundreds outside the ground at kick off, presumably home fans too.

I get that they need to maintain segregation, but they have a duty to police the crowds so that everyone gets into the ground safely. If that means a 15-30 min delay at the expense of TV schedules, then i am sorry but safety comes before TV revenues.

That being the case, If the police are unable to activate these powers, the game shouldn't be on TV again.
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This is a definite lie.

5 of us managed to get off the tram behind and cut through Morrisons car park, before walking through Hillsborough Corner. There were no Wednesday fans there because it was 1.10pm and they'd all gone in, so to claim it was to avoid trouble is nonsense.

Absolute joke. How I can get on a tram an hour before kick off and only just making it thanks to sprinting down Leppings Lane is beyond me. It was a farce.
 
A copper pulled the emergency chord on our tram because they were all struggling to breathe! We were squashed in like cattle. Beyond a joke.
 
Anyone with personal experience should shoot off emails to various press, quickly before it becomes yesterday's news. Especially if you have a video - the Daily Mail will print any story with a video attached :rolleyes: but I think any paper would see the story in this.
 
South Yorkshire police, yet again, making a mess of things. Talk of crushing is sickening given the tragic history of that ground.
 
grafikhaus said:
Sorry about that, Swiss. I thought you'd just copied and pasted a story from the Star. I thought your expensive (private) education would be better than this. :)

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Ha ha definitely wasn't a private education!

Nope, i can't even blame predictive. Its good to see others have standards on this forum.
 
Those involved might also want to present their evidence to their local councillors. The Council presumably still has responsibility for issuing safety certificates, and with that still hanging over them from the disaster, they would surely be very interested in any issues still remaining.
Does the Council still have policing responsibilities? Or have they all gone over to the Police and Crime Comissioner? If you feel that you are not getting the truth from SYP, is the PCC the authority to contact?
 
Someone should make Andy Burnham aware, he hates them with a passion...
 
Back in the 2000s when we lost 2-0 up there it was the same tactics by police. We had to break our way off the trams at Hillsborough corner and run up to the ground to make it.

After the game they loaded trams up and kept them back for an hour before allowing a huge convoy into the city centre. Women and kids were fainting and once again we had to break out of the tram. One idiot copper was trying to beat back the fans gasping for air.

Things never change.
 
Did anyone mention this on football heaven tonight? Sounds very odd by SWFC. I wasn't at the game so its obviously difficult to comprehend all the facts but why on earth the steward didn't allow our fans in is beyond me and needs explaining.
 



DazBlade88 said:
This is a definite lie.

5 of us managed to get off the tram behind and cut through Morrisons car park, before walking through Hillsborough Corner. There were no Wednesday fans there because it was 1.10pm and they'd all gone in, so to claim it was to avoid trouble is nonsense.

Absolute joke. How I can get on a tram an hour before kick off and only just making it thanks to sprinting down Leppings Lane is beyond me. It was a farce.
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THIS.

The other thing worth pointing out, is as we rushed in just in time to see the first goal... 4 or 5 turnstiles were open and the police AND stewards were fully aware of the situation.

To then go on to close turnstiles is absolutely ridiculous.

Both that and holding fans was an operational decision with the effect of deliberately causing Blades fans to arrive late... As to why, well I'll be making polite enquiries, as my own experience contradicts the reasons given.
 
Jonboy60 said:
4.41 into the video.
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As the policeman talks about the sterile area, we were walking it having avoided being stopped... The only police action to my knowledge was observation, there were officers stood watching up the road.

The tram tracks were clear (other than the riot vans) and no groups of Wednesday fans.

I know this, as I had my eyes wide open for potential danger having chosen to walk/run it.
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
Those involved might also want to present their evidence to their local councillors. The Council presumably still has responsibility for issuing safety certificates, and with that still hanging over them from the disaster, they would surely be very interested in any issues still remaining.
Does the Council still have policing responsibilities? Or have they all gone over to the Police and Crime Comissioner? If you feel that you are not getting the truth from SYP, is the PCC the authority to contact?
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Send it to the H&S executive.

They have got clout.
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
Those involved might also want to present their evidence to their local councillors. The Council presumably still has responsibility for issuing safety certificates, and with that still hanging over them from the disaster, they would surely be very interested in any issues still remaining.
Does the Council still have policing responsibilities? Or have they all gone over to the Police and Crime Comissioner? If you feel that you are not getting the truth from SYP, is the PCC the authority to contact?
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Or reply to these guys
Suisa Blades added 2 new photos.
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I'm gathering evidence re yesterdays Policing operation and the turnstile congestion all information will be treated in confidence could you please email me at [email protected]

 
And still no local media showing interest on this but RS were happy to exaggerate/ make up trouble on Leppings Lane before the game.
 
Jonboy60 said:
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://youtu.be/YLU1_9YsdFk&h=ATOv0Bh-cYqFL8_bXduDNHiJRiZFRY2MaPaGODAxcVkJkZHt66CTVsxtc5nw5fIkqkgaW0CIP9rcT68m6a7bKHKAL9wfuwLCAkWc4GEiCtqklDFDTB8GOJKEwb1lUgp8cEaBqhXRVbwr6jzVPTMiSqI_YSJC6l751gM2ktLUh_2INZnsGCSkipP33tNQC2asBFmwOJwMbYxq7T2RdbyDjBlVrKJwf8T0gg6IT22y1JoEg8sI_MYAS85tag-7v475rc3Ijo-P93d7eD_LvUBh6hEuPSeNjRmS3TPk2w
4.41 into the video.
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Brilliant video, hadn't seen Wilder going up to the crowd before :D

Just makes your blood boil watching it though;
15 minutes to kickoff, still a mile away,
"are we gona start walking officer?"
"not yet, it's not safe"

Aye you go & get that banana skin moved before someone slips on it, god forbid.
Think I saw a crisp packet blowing about earlier too, want to call the game off while you're at it?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/polic...fans-miss-steel-city-derby-kick-off-1-8771787
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So our fans missed a large chunk of the game because of Wednesday retards hanging around for trouble ( I expect the stir will condemn them in its next edition).

Funny how I regularly get held up by the syp on the parkway as they whisk away fans quickly and efficiently to BL, but had no plans for our supporters to get there safely via a well known flashpoint on the trams.
 
The Guardian's MBM commentary and their report on the game both made reference to what was happening outside. They might be interested in a follow up.
 
Referring to the OP, I didn't see any evidence of anyone getting crushed at the turnstiles, not on that video, or from my own experience on the day. I think if we want to talk about the mishandling of the crowd by police, which caused fans to miss a significant part of the game, then fair enough. But let's not dress this up like some kind of Hillsboro disaster mark II, because it wasn't, and whilst the OP gained good dramatic effect for the subject title of the thread it doesn't appear to be what this topic is actually about?

I arrived on Leppings Lane about ten to one. There were lots of Wednesday supporters around at that time and the police were filtering United supporters over to the away turnstiles on the right hand side. There were no queues at the turnstiles at that time and no one getting crushed. In the period between then and kick off, there were frequent announcements to the fans on Leppings Lane, asking them to make their way into the ground immediately as the game was starting shortly. In other words, there were a lot of Wednesday fans just hanging around to goad the United fans and generally make life unpleasant as we entered the ground.

It was that presence of Wednesday fans in large numbers outside the turnstiles on Leppings Lane that was the problem. I think if the police had marched the tram loads of Blades towards the ground at that point all hell would have broken loose. The Wednesday fans were not outside the turnstiles because there weren't enough turnstiles open for them to enter the ground. They were outside the turnstiles because they wanted to be there and taunt incoming United fans.

I don't know what powers the police have to make fans enter the ground who don't want to - I suppose they have none? But they do have powers of dispersal. I would imagine if they'd tried to exercise those powers of dispersal they'd have created an even bigger problem though. It seems to me that they decided to let natural dispersal take place, knowing that most fans would move to enter the ground before kick off - and then advance the visiting fans to the ground. I can understand why they would do that - but I can't understand why the kick off wasn't delayed or why Wednesday didn't have more turnstiles open to minimise delays for the fans and possible injury.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't really see what the police did wrong - it seems to me they were just trying to preserve law and order? Same with the keeping fans in at the end. I was quite happy to stay behind 15 minutes in the knowledge that I would be able to walk back safely to my car.
 



Maybe if there hadn't been the recent Grimsby, Middlesbrough and Norwich incidents, the police would have felt able to handle the situation differently?

The police had said in advance of the match that they knew who the 100+ troublemakers are and would be monitoring them closely. Maybe some of those were in the group being held back by police until the Wednesday idiots were in the ground?

As ever, it seems large groups of innocent United fans have been made to suffer due to the previous bad behaviour of the usual suspects. They and their apologists should share at least some of the blame.

Either way, I'm not sure that United really need this sort of story splashing all over the National Media. The reasons that the police will surely give for operating that way won't show us in a very good light at all.
 
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