Crucial point for Tufty.

[seanbeenstattoo]

Lets be honest. We were fucking gash in reality against Shrewsbury and Bury. Lost 2 points at Charlton and as fully expected by me and posted as such got fuck all today.
Our season will be defined by how Wilder reshapes the team for the next game and how he reassess the Jan window given the loss of Chapman. Make no mistake,we are at a pivotal stage. If he pursues Sharp and Clarke we will cascade down the league. Actually I'd go so far as to advocate getting shot of Clarke to reinforce his belief in a Sharp Done partnership.
Lavery has a lot to prove.
Tufty. Step up. You will,but it's becoming interesting.SUFC. Making life difficult since 1889.

 

[beatific blade]

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Lets be honest. We were fucking gash in reality against Shrewsbury and Bury. Lost 2 points at Charlton and as fully expected by me and posted as such got fuck all today.
Our season will be defined by how Wilder reshapes the team for the next game and how he reassess the Jan window given the loss of Chapman. Make no mistake,we are at a pivotal stage. If he pursues Sharp and Clarke we will cascade down the league. Actually I'd go so far as to advocate getting shot of Clarke to reinforce his belief in a Sharp Done partnership.
Lavery has a lot to prove.
Tufty. Step up. You will,but it's becoming interesting.SUFC. Making life difficult since 1889.

Our season definitely won't be defined by the next game.

Our season will be defined by the next 26 games. I think that's very important to remember.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

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Our season definitely won't be defined by the next game.

Our season will be defined by the next 26 games. I think that's very important to remember.

I said by how Wilder shapes his team.
That will suggest to anyone with a brain what his mindset is.
You need to read what folk actually post,not what you think they did. It's astonishing how often that happens.

 

[TJB.]

Hard to disagree with any of that, SBT. Certainly in for an interesting January.

I'd say a Chapman replacement and another RWB are essential. If I was being greedy, I'd want a CM to push Coutts for his place who is more likely to have a pop at goal and another striker (Bogle).

 

[Stretch]

I see where you are coming from SBT but it is still only our second loss in quite a while. I don't think it's fair to say we were gash against Shrews or Bury either, we haven't been that for a while. We are just lacking something. Whilst we are scoring goals, most of the time we are only creating half chances and some our build up play is becoming predictable.

Overall it just feels like we have lost a bit of zip in the last few matches but I've got no doubt Chris will sort it.

I do agree about Sharp & Clarke and we may as well stick with Done for now because at least you get the graft and Sharp seems to enjoy playing with him.

The JTW will be crucial and we need pace as a priority followed by a 6'4 workhorse of a CF. Another midfielder and decent cover for RB wouldn't go amiss either.

Chris weathered a storm in the first few matches and got us through it in style. This is nothing by comparison imo because the team is still playing good football. We do however need to put this blip behind us to keep pressure on the top 2.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Hard to disagree with any of that, SBT. Certainly in for an interesting January.

I'd say a Chapman replacement and another RWB are essential. If I was being greedy, I'd want a CM to push Coutts for his place who is more likely to have a pop at goal and another striker (Bogle).

I take absolutely no delight in being a prophet of doom but am seldom wrong. I don't weat rose coloured specs and expect the worst.
We have the best opportunity since Ched dounle teamed our way from auto promotion but there is no way we will go up with the pedestrian attack Wilder uses without Done.
IMO sell Clarke and play Billy and Done again.
Get a flying winger on loan in Jan to replace Chapman and tell Coutts and Fleck to attack with way more pace and purpose.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I see where you are coming from SBT but it is still only our second loss in quite a while. I don't think it's fair to say we were gash against Shrews or Bury either, we haven't been that for a while. We are just lacking something. Whilst we are scoring goals, most of the time we are only creating half chances and some our build up play is becoming predictable.

Overall it just feels like we have lost a bit of zip in the last few matches but I've got no doubt Chris will sort it.

I do agree about Sharp & Clarke and we may as well stick with Done for now because at least you get the graft and Sharp seems to enjoy playing with him.

The JTW will be crucial and we need pace as a priority followed by a 6'4 workhorse of a CF. Another midfielder and decent cover for RB wouldn't go amiss either.

Chris weathered a storm in the first few matches and got us through it in style. This is nothing by comparison imo because the team is still playing good football. We do however need to put this blip behind us to keep pressure on the top 2.

Sorry mate but its been coming for a while and will continue,believe me.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I don't think Lavery is capable of proving a point, even if he wanted to.

My concern lies mainly with keeping them out the other end. Without Jake Wright we look shakey as fuck.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I don't think Lavery is capable of proving a point, even if he wanted to.

My concern lies mainly with keeping them out the other end. Without Jake Wright we look shakey as fuck.

Agree with that,but if we have the ball at their end and actually convert chances that isn't an issue.
As it stands we don't. So it is.

 

[Ricky]

Recent games have nicely highlighted what we need in January. More out wide, good cover in midfield and a quality striker who can play with Sharp.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Recent games have nicely highlighted what we need in January. More out wide, good cover in midfield and a quality striker who can play with Sharp.

Bout sorts it mate. Great minds.

I'd lose Clarke as I think he's actually devisive. Would you keep him?

 

[Ricky]

We could also really, really do without Chapman being out for more than a few weeks.

Because if it's long term then we have to make another signing, when we'll already need at least 2/3. It would be very hard to find one player who'd provide the cover in midfield and also replace Chapman. Maybe any wide player we sign could replace him but we need another wide option as well as him anyway - so if Chapman's not going to be here then we'll need to sign two. Ideally one who's comfortable at wing back and one naturally attacking type.

 

[wizadry]

Bout sorts it mate. Great minds.

I'd lose Clarke as I think he's actually devisive. Would you keep him?

Not really but seen as though our negotiators kindly negotiated a three year contract for him I don't think he'll be that quick to jump ship SBT.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Not really but seen as though our negotiators kindly negotiated a three year contract for him I don't think he'll be that quick to jump ship SBT.

So you're saying get shot but we can't without paying him up? Or ?

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

Done... I just don't get... a forward who very rarely scores... "but it's his workrate etc"... it should be expected that players run and chase down!!..- it wasn't last season but is now...
"creates space for others to get into to score the goals".(fleck and coutts have scored one in the league between them!!)
From what I have seen so far of Clarke I haven't been impressed apart from his performance at Chesterfield.. but it has been a bit of a stop-start erm start to his blades career.. I think he needs a run of games in December with one eye on the transfer window

 

[wizadry]

So you're saying get shot but we can't without paying him up? Or ?

I certainly wouldn't be starting him and it's too late to get rid now unless we do as you say but that would cost quite a bit of money, plus no one could afford him in our league or below to pay a transfer fee due to the probable chunky wages he'll be on for the lower leagues.

Basically, we're going to have to hope he comes good mate.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I certainly wouldn't be starting him and it's too late to get rid now unless we do as you say but that would cost quite a bit of money, plus no one could afford him in our league or below with the probable chunky wages he'll be on for the lower leagues.

Basically, we're going to have to hope he comes good mate.

I don't think there is the slightest chance of that mate. Sharp/Done = wins.
Clarke = jack shit. . Wrong purchase,no worries,no manager gets evry buy right.
Clarke is a sub at most.

 

[wizadry]

I don't think there is the slightest chance of that mate. Sharp/Done = wins.
Clarke = jack shit. . Wrong purchase,no worries,no manager gets evry buy right.
Clarke is a sub at most.

I agree, i'm just looking at all the posibilities as you asked the question.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I agree, i'm just looking at all the posibilities as you asked the question.

As you should mate.

 

[Sheff de party]

I take absolutely no delight in being a prophet of doom but am seldom wrong. I don't weat rose coloured specs and expect the worst.
We have the best opportunity since Ched dounle teamed our way from auto promotion but there is no way we will go up with the pedestrian attack Wilder uses without Done.
IMO sell Clarke and play Billy and Done again.
Get a flying winger on loan in Jan to replace Chapman and tell Coutts and Fleck to attack with way more pace and purpose.

So you always expect the worst but you are seldom wrong.

Riiiiight.

 

[nopigfansintown]

He needs to decide the set up of the team, before we even start looking at personnel. We've moved away from the high pressing style that has served us so well before Charlton, into a team that regains possession closer to our own box. With this approach ball winners are a must, and height at the back a pre requisite. We also need more pace on the break or transitions from our back four just aren't quick enough. The opposition, since the change, often have eight or nine players behind the ball by the time we regain possession. All this possession isn't counting for much.All good sides have an identity - what was ours yesterday?

 

[finlaytheblade]

I see where you are coming from SBT but it is still only our second loss in quite a while. I don't think it's fair to say we were gash against Shrews or Bury either, we haven't been that for a while. We are just lacking something. Whilst we are scoring goals, most of the time we are only creating half chances and some our build up play is becoming predictable.

Overall it just feels like we have lost a bit of zip in the last few matches but I've got no doubt Chris will sort it.

I do agree about Sharp & Clarke and we may as well stick with Done for now because at least you get the graft and Sharp seems to enjoy playing with him.

The JTW will be crucial and we need pace as a priority followed by a 6'4 workhorse of a CF. Another midfielder and decent cover for RB wouldn't go amiss either.

Chris weathered a storm in the first few matches and got us through it in style. This is nothing by comparison imo because the team is still playing good football. We do however need to put this blip behind us to keep pressure on the top 2.

Reactions like SBT s are typical of some blades ok we've had a blip, we always new at some point we would get a defeat or two.Get real Wilder is putting together a team that plays quality football that won't happen over night how about giving the guy some space to finish the job.Pre - season would we have been happy to be in our position as it is now? a big yes from me and there is better to come. Get behind Wilder he's doing a good job

 

[spongebobblade]

Reactions like SBT s are typical of some blades ok we've had a blip, we always new at some point we would get a defeat or two.Get real Wilder is putting together a team that plays quality football that won't happen over night how about giving the guy some space to finish the job.Pre - season would we have been happy to be in our position as it is now? a big yes from me and there is better to come. Get behind Wilder he's doing a good job

Agree with you and I'm sure SBT is 100% behind Wilder. However we need a bit of fine tuning to achieve our goal but I'm sure even Wilder knows that. He has done remarkably well so far so let's hope the board give him the tools to finish the job. A couple of areas and now a replacement for the unfortunate Chapman. We all know Wilder wouldn't be able to sort it in one transfer window so the next one is crucial. Onwards and upwards

 

[FriethBlade]

Sacrilege I know but Sharp is part of the 'problem' up front , he scores but misses more and his all-round play is pretty pedestrian. I'm not advocating getting shut but it's puts a lot of pressure on whoever plays with him.

Play a pacey or busy player then we lack height when crosses come in , play a big man then we lack pace . A proven combination of the two is out of our budget that's why I'd take a gamble on Akinde.

 

[bartman]

Sacrilege I know but Sharp is part of the 'problem' up front , he scores but misses more and his all-round play is pretty pedestrian. I'm not advocating getting shut but it's puts a lot of pressure on whoever plays with him.

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Are you serious ?......scoring goals puts pressure on other players ?. If you mean his 'all round play' puts pressure on other players you obviously haven't seen his movement in the box to create space which is far better than anyone else we have. He also has more 'assists' than our other strikers this season. He scores but misses more ? Don't all strikers miss more than they score ? He is actually there for the chances...to be fair so is Done but he misses more than Sharp. Isn't the lack of fire power from the other strikers putting more pressure on Sharp ?

If you see Sharp is part of the problem up front this season then you need to go to Specsavers

 

[Trigger Blade]

Lets be honest. We were fucking gash in reality against Shrewsbury and Bury. Lost 2 points at Charlton and as fully expected by me and posted as such got fuck all today.
Our season will be defined by how Wilder reshapes the team for the next game and how he reassess the Jan window given the loss of Chapman. Make no mistake,we are at a pivotal stage. If he pursues Sharp and Clarke we will cascade down the league. Actually I'd go so far as to advocate getting shot of Clarke to reinforce his belief in a Sharp Done partnership.
Lavery has a lot to prove.
Tufty. Step up. You will,but it's becoming interesting.SUFC. Making life difficult since 1889.

The audience on here for your wise words is quite limited, have you thought about contacting the club and granting our manager an audience, for the greater good?

I take absolutely no delight in being a prophet of doom but am seldom wrong.

Even better, tell him that, he'd surely be interested.

Sorry mate but its been coming for a while and will continue,believe me.

Of course I do, I'm sure Chris Wilder will to if you allow him the opportunity.

 

[Keen Blade]

Done misses a lot of chances and scores none.
Billy misses a lot of chances , including penalties , but scores a lot.
Done does pull defences apart with his running.
Billy running ? Are you serious ? Done does his share and Billy's.
As a later post says , Billy is a shitliner with a knack of scoring but no pace.
Both of them are half a striker and both are short & so don't trouble defences in the air.
Clarke is tall and won every header against Walsall but Billy was too far away to capitalise on it because to play off a tall striker he would have to run around and keep up with him. Not Billy's game at all.
Logic would suggest Clarke/Done or Clarke/Lavery but how can you exclude the top scorer ?
So why on earth did the extremely knowledgeable manager buy Clarke ?
It's not as if Clarke is young enough to replace Billy , he is older and thus a short-term fix.
However many goals he's scored with previous clubs and however many headers he wins for us , he was not an appropriate purchase for us if Billy was scoring well - maybe he was bought in case Billy had a goal drought and could be dropped ? So forget combining Clarke & Billy.
We are therefore in a total quandry in the striker dept.
The pigs went up with a team of thugs.
Bolton will go up with a team of thugs.
It's too late this season for us to convert to a team of thugs.
But what we desperately lack is PACE to complement our possession.
We could beat thugs with possession and PACE.
When Chapman came on last Tuesday he provided exactly that , and we looked a much better team.
Now he's injured and on crutches.
I accept we have to cover the loss of EEL in January , but we MUST get some PACE into the side.
We will never go up playing the way we did against Walsall before Chapman came on , because we build up far too slowly to give defences a problem.
But if we could zip in fast low crosses from the byline , Billy would put plenty of them in.
As long as he had enough breath to keep up with the crosser.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Little doubt we need a striker with pace who can stretch play and create opportunities behind defenders. But then who doesn't? We're in League One. Any striker who fits that bill is playing in the PL or Championship. We have to be realistic. We're in League One. The market in which we can shop is limited.

There isn't a silver bullet that will come in January - and more than ever, its down to CW to coach the hell out of this team. I for one, think he can do it. He's already identified Done as a weak link and is trying other options....

 

[Stretch]

Reactions like SBT s are typical of some blades ok we've had a blip, we always new at some point we would get a defeat or two.Get real Wilder is putting together a team that plays quality football that won't happen over night how about giving the guy some space to finish the job.Pre - season would we have been happy to be in our position as it is now? a big yes from me and there is better to come. Get behind Wilder he's doing a good job

I do understand the frustration with recent results though and to a lesser extent performances which imo have still been fairly good. However frustrated I get, I just think back to what we were served up last season, the season before, the season before that (pre Clough) and for most of Wilson's second season. At that point I realise how much better we are now and I completely agree about Wilder, he has done a fantastic job to change things so quickly. Such a drastic re-building job isn't easy and there are bound to be a few glitches in between the improvement.

 

[TBW57]

he scores but misses more

But it's how many he scores that matters, not how many he misses. You've got to be in there in order to miss them. Chris Porter was good at converting chances into goals but more often than not he failed to get anywhere near the ball when it was in the vicinity of the goal because he was still on his way into the box. It would be daft to claim that because he didn't miss as many sitters Porter was the better striker of the two.

Jimmy Greaves used to miss open goals occasionally but his 300+ goals more than made up for the ones he missed.