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Really like what I saw from Oldham for an hour today played fast moving atacking football, mixed up the long and short game so were never predictable and hey guess what? They played two strikers and gave our defence all the trouble we could handle.

Now us.. Oh dear.. pass It from side to side and back again and side to side and back again then eventually play it into a midfielder who has two players on his back an we lose possession and on the back foot defending again.

Only when we brought JCR on after an hour did we look like doing anything and it puts the opposition off their game as well when the have to worry about defending for a change.

4-6-0 might scrape us into the play offs where we will lose to someone like Oldham or Swindon, but it won't get us into the top two.

One more thing I thought the Oldham fans were tremendous, best we have had here all season.
 



Really like what I saw from Oldham for an hour today played fast moving atacking football, mixed up the long and short game so were never predictable and hey guess what? They played two strikers and gave our defence all the trouble we could handle.

Now us.. Oh dear.. pass It from side to side and back again and side to side and back again then eventually play it into a midfielder who has two players on his back an we lose possession and on the back foot defending again.

Only when we brought JCR on after an hour did we look like doing anything and it puts the opposition off their game as well when the have to worry about defending for a change.

4-6-0 might scrape us into the play offs where we will lose to someone like Oldham or Swindon, but it won't get us into the top two.

One more thing I thought the Oldham fans were tremendous, best we have had here all season.

Are you expecting to be on the Latics Fans Forum tonight under 'how others see us?':D

Joking apart helpful post for us exiles HG.
 
Really like what I saw from Oldham for an hour today played fast moving atacking football, mixed up the long and short game so were never predictable and hey guess what? They played two strikers and gave our defence all the trouble we could handle.

Now us.. Oh dear.. pass It from side to side and back again and side to side and back again then eventually play it into a midfielder who has two players on his back an we lose possession and on the back foot defending again.

Only when we brought JCR on after an hour did we look like doing anything and it puts the opposition off their game as well when the have to worry about defending for a change.

4-6-0 might scrape us into the play offs where we will lose to someone like Oldham or Swindon, but it won't get us into the top two.

One more thing I thought the Oldham fans were tremendous, best we have had here all season.

Yes it was interesting.
IMHO if we had swapped their big dirty striker for Baxter, we would have won that game. He wasn't great but he had some pace, was strong and never let our back 4 rest all game.
First half was the most dire I have seen under NC. Utter crap and after the first 5 mins we never bothered them. Felt sorry for Howard as the cover in front of him was decidedly shaky first half. Better in second half but couldn't score in a Dutch brothel with 10,000 Euros in our wallet.

I'm not a big fan of the 4 - 6 - 0 formation as we seem to concede goals so I wondered about trying 4 - 1 - 5 - 0 so we can have somebody in front of the back 4 to help out. Not worried about having no striker on the pitch for the last few games, strikers are overrated anyway. All that happened is you score goals if you have strikers and then there's all that jumping up and down to celebrate; its just a waste of energy really so lets persevere with no strikers to the end of the season and re-evaluate it then. :eek:
UTB & FTP
 
Really like what I saw from Oldham for an hour today played fast moving atacking football, mixed up the long and short game so were never predictable and hey guess what? They played two strikers and gave our defence all the trouble we could handle.

Oldham started in a diamond formation with Philliskirk behind Forte and Ibehre, pressing high up the pitch.

After they scored they changed to 4-4-1-1 with Philliskirk on the right, Forte left and Johnson spearheading their central midfield. They dropped deeper and made it difficult for us to find space.
 
I reckon Johnson dropped a bit of a bollock yesterday he come with a plan played with two strikers early he could have conceded as we had chances early doors.
However they got the goal dropped one striker back and kept it tight.

If he'd have gambled and gone for another goal that would have been it.
 
Oldham started in a diamond formation with Philliskirk behind Forte and Ibehre, pressing high up the pitch.

After they scored they changed to 4-4-1-1 with Philliskirk on the right, Forte left and Johnson spearheading their central midfield. They dropped deeper and made it difficult for us to find space.
We must have been on the same wavelength Bergen you beat me to it
 
If we play 4-5-1 against a team which plays with 2 strikers I would expect us to have some advantage in midfield, but no we were short of players all over the pitch. Its called organisation, belief and workrate.
 
If we play 4-5-1 against a team which plays with 2 strikers I would expect us to have some advantage in midfield, but no we were short of players all over the pitch. Its called organisation, belief and workrate.
An unbalanced midfield might have something to do with it.
 
If we play 4-5-1 against a team which plays with 2 strikers I would expect us to have some advantage in midfield, but no we were short of players all over the pitch. Its called organisation, belief and workrate.


Their starting line up was:

Rachubka
Kusunga Dieng Wilson Mills
Kelly
Jones - - - - Johnson
Philliskirk
Ibehre - - - Forte


So if we had three in central midfield, they at times had four! We certainly struggled to come to terms with it, let alone exploit its weaknesses.
 
Their starting line up was:

Rachubka
Kusunga Dieng Wilson Mills
Kelly
Jones - - - - Johnson
Philliskirk
Ibehre - - - Forte


So if we had three in central midfield, they at times had four! We certainly struggled to come to terms with it, let alone exploit its weaknesses.


So why were our wingers so anonymous all the first hour if their midfield 4 were overpowering our three in central midfield?
 
I reckon Johnson dropped a bit of a bollock yesterday he come with a plan played with two strikers early he could have conceded as we had chances early doors.
However they got the goal dropped one striker back and kept it tight.

If he'd have gambled and gone for another goal that would have been it.

Not sure if he almost dropped a bollock, or got everything spot on! :)
 
So why were our wingers so anonymous all the first hour if their midfield 4 were overpowering our three in central midfield?

I think it was key to their success that they pressed us high up the pitch, meaning that their defenders were all over both Baxter and our wingers when we tried to find them. By not having wingers it was also important that they left it to their mobile strikers to run the channels, meaning their midfielders didn't venture too far forward off the ball.

As our play was too slow they were able to move across to help out their full backs when they needed to. I think it would have been difficult for them to keep this up over 90 minutes, but it seemed to confuse us for the first 30 minutes and they got the lead and some good chances.
 
I think it was key to their success that they pressed us high up the pitch, meaning that their defenders were all over both Baxter and our wingers when we tried to find them. By not having wingers it was also important that they left it to their mobile strikers to run the channels, meaning their midfielders didn't venture too far forward off the ball.

As our play was too slow they were able to move across to help out their full backs when they needed to. I think it would have been difficult for them to keep this up over 90 minutes, but it seemed to confuse us for the first 30 minutes and they got the lead and some good chances.



First hour their players doubled up on Murphy all the time, and more often than not Flynn. Wingers should flourish against a diamond. They bullied and swarmed Baxter. Scougall was somewhere or other. And there were Basham and Doyle playing in a vacuum, with Doyle instructing Basham to push forward time and again. They had two deep central midfielders in a funny shaped "diamond" as you call it and the long haired lad given the freedom of the park.

Their manager won the game before it started and his players did him proud. Thing is they got their noses in front due to their tactics and indeed ours. Once in front it becomes academic whether they could keep it up for 90 minutes because the game changes. In actual fact they could easily have added to their lead more than once.
 



Oldham were one of the best teams I've seen at The Lane all season. They had a lot of pace and sharp one-touch passing in the first half, and our back 4 found it difficult to deal with that. The through lob for the goal was fucking mental, and they created a lot with (shock) 2 actual strikers up top. They won the 1st half, and fully deserved to lead at half time. They dropped off in the 2nd half, as you'd have to have an ultra-fit squad to keep up that pace and sharpness for 90 minutes, but they still defended well and frustrated us on the edge of the box. Blades had more of the ball and more energy after the break, but Oldham were patient and forced a lot of errors. They were intelligent and knew that if they pressed high while out of possession they could grab the ball in our half and get behind the back 4. I think they were maybe unlucky to not score 2 in the 1st half. They would've come here for a draw, and that's what they got, but I think they can feel hard done by not getting 3 points. I'm sure they'll take a lot of positives from this, though. As said above, their fans were quality, a good amount and very loud. They went crazy when they scored. I love teams that fill out that top tier. They'll probably be top 6 this season.

Blades were negative, the first half was probably the worst I've seen all season, lots of players hiding, not committing forward and passing laterally. So many frustrating passages where we had the ball in a good position then passing back under no pressure. We don't seem to play like the home team at BDTBL much, as said before, negative play all afternoon, granted with a bit more pep in the 2nd half. The annoying thing is that we seem to have plenty of quality when we actually push forward in a concerted attacking effort, but it seems to happen once a game. We did enough to grab one goal, and against Colchester/Scunthorpe/Yeovil/etc that's enough, but a quality team at the top end of the table will take the piss with tactics like that.

Alcock confuses me, I've seen some games where he's absolutely bossed it, (Crewe away in the cup, he won every header all day) but during this game he was absymal. I think he gave the ball away 5 or 6 times and pussied out of several last man tackles that allowed Oldham to have a shot on goal. He should've been off at half time, did anyone see when he didn't take a throw-in properly and the ref had to give it to Oldham? So fucking embarrasing! A lot of our players were poor or anonymous. Doyle/ McCarthy/Mcevely did fuck all, and some of the yellow cards the squad picked up were unnecessary. A few players did do well, JCR obviously with the goal was a glimmer of hope, and was the only one of our players taking on defenders and picking out runs. Basham was solid, and is one of the better players right now. He needs to push up front more, get his head on more crosses. Scougall, Baxter, Murphy didn't do much at all. Overall it was a poor squad performance, no positive action in the final third and too much dithering with the ball. Just fucking run at defenders!

Sorry to ramble. I'm a optimist when it comes to my club, but with tough games against Notts County and Franchise Football coming up, I'm worried we're gonna slip into the doldrums.
 
Our defence, with the exception of Harris who did ok, were truly abysmal. The first half featured some of the worst defending I've ever seen from a United team and there's some real competition in that category.

McEveley looked slow. McCarthy seemed determined to lump the ball back to Oldham. As for Alcock, who's looked good this season, he had an absolute nightmare. Struggled to get near Forte, miscontrolled it repeatedly and couldn't get the ball away. At one point he basically passed it straight to an Oldham player on the edge of the box. They could have easily had more. A more clinical or luckier side could have seriously punished us. I don't think I'm massively negative, just saying what I saw and it was really, really bad. Looked better in the second half in fairness but it had to really.

Attack went as everyone has described. Went to the side, went to the back, then when all ideas ran out the ball got crossed in, more out of hope than expectation it seemed. We got the ball to the edge of their area and then just looked stumped as to what to do next.
 
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Our defence, with the exception of Harris who did ok, were truly abysmal. The first half featured some of the worst defending I've ever seen from a United team and there's some real competition in that category.

McEveley looked slow. McCarthy seemed determined to lump the ball back to Oldham. As for Alcock, who's looked good this season, he had an absolute nightmare. Struggled to get near Forte, miscontrolled it repeatedly and couldn't get the ball away. At one point he basically passed it straight to an Oldham player on the edge of the box. They could have easily had more. A more clinical or luckier side could have seriously punished us. I don't think I'm massively negative, just saying what I saw and it was really, really bad. Looked better in the second half in fairness but it had to really.

Attack went as everyone has described. Went to the side, went to the back, then when all ideas ran out the ball got crossed in, more out of hope than expectation it seemed. We got the ball to the edge of their area and then just looked stumped as to what to do next.

May be United should adopt the system used by a number of continental teams. Bring the players together, for a late night Horlicks, at 8 p..m. in an hotel.every pre match day. Not suggesting you understand, that any of the players had over imbibed. Just that some of them played as though they had
On second thoughts Nige, let them out on the piss, perhaps it wouldnt register on the formometer.
 

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