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It's a local Newcastle paper claiming 8 clubs are interested in signing Gallagher, including Newcastle on loan, with Palace and West Ham also mentioned. No idea on their sources.
 
Chelsea want to offload him permanently it seems. Leeds strongly linked.

I think he'd potentially suit us more than Swift, based on his physicality and industry. He also can play a bit and is at a great age for improvement.

The problem Wilder has is convincing these EFL players that they'll be given game time and development opportunities.

Antonee Robinson is seemingly not too keen because of this, & you wonder whether Matty Cash would feel the same re: Baldock. Luke Freeman, Ben Osborn, Callum Robinson all came with strong Championship credentials and none will be fully satisfied with their PL minutes totals.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Chelsea want to offload him permanently it seems. Leeds strongly linked.

I think he'd potentially suit us more than Swift, based on his physicality and industry. He also can play a bit and is at a great age for improvement.

The problem Wilder has is convincing these EFL players that they'll be given game time and development opportunities.

Antonee Robinson is seemingly not too keen because of this, & you wonder whether Matty Cash would feel the same re: Baldock. Luke Freeman, Ben Osborn, Callum Robinson all came with strong Championship credentials and none will be fully satisfied with their PL minutes totals.
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Why are you trying to invent this fake narrative that we're not attractive to EFL players?

Basically you're basing it all on one player who hasn't even confirmed turning us down.

Nevermind that opportunities were given to all those players last season in addition to Ollie McB.
 
Houso said:
Why are you trying to invent this fake narrative that we're not attractive to EFL players?

Basically you're basing it all on one player who hasn't even confirmed turning us down.

Nevermind that opportunities were given to all those players last season in addition to Ollie McB.
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It's actually not what I said at all. I think the inventor of narratives here is you...

Not to be facetious, but which part of my post do you actually disagree with?
Using only the words in my post & not the perceived meaning that you've created in interpretation...

Did C Robinson, L Freeman & Osborn arrive with good EFL credentials?

Do you think, if asked, they'd all tell you they were satisfied with the game time they got? (that isn't to say they'd complain necessarily, I'm sure they'd accept the situation for what it is)

Do you think young signings from the EFL may look at our settled (& successful) side & see that element as a potential blocker to their development?

Does Wilder have a job to do in convincing these young players that they'll be given minutes, based on the majority of our PL starting XI players being the same as the ones which got us promoted?

I'm not complaining, or creating narratives that we're not an attractive proposition for players - but a price that comes with success is that players will wonder how they will breakthrough...
 
CaptainMorgans said:
It's actually not what I said at all. I think the inventor of narratives here is you...

Not to be facetious, but which part of my post do you actually disagree with?
Using only the words in my post & not the perceived meaning that you've created in interpretation...

Did C Robinson, L Freeman & Osborn arrive with good EFL credentials?

Do you think, if asked, they'd all tell you they were satisfied with the game time they got? (that isn't to say they'd complain necessarily, I'm sure they'd accept the situation for what it is)

Do you think young signings from the EFL may look at our settled (& successful) side & see that as a potential blocker to their development?

Does Wilder have a job to do in convincing them they'll be given minutes, based on the majority of our PL starting XI players being the same as the ones which got us promoted?
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I take the point.... but it does ignore the fact that the likes of mousset, mcburnie, berge were all signed, and the likes of Norwood when He signed. and all played. Even Robinson started out in the side until his performances didn’t warrant selection.

wilder will play them if he thinks they are good enough, and it’s up to them to decide if they want to have that competition. I’d suggest we aren’t spending day 10m of cash to warm the bench
 
CaptainMorgans said:
It's actually not what I said at all. I think the inventor of narratives here is you...

Not to be facetious, but which part of my post do you actually disagree with?
Using only the words in my post & not the perceived meaning that you've created in interpretation...

Did C Robinson, L Freeman & Osborn arrive with good EFL credentials?

Do you think, if asked, they'd all tell you they were satisfied with the game time they got? (that isn't to say they'd complain necessarily, I'm sure they'd accept the situation for what it is)

Do you think young signings from the EFL may look at our settled (& successful) side & see that element as a potential blocker to their development?

Does Wilder have a job to do in convincing these young players that they'll be given minutes, based on the majority of our PL starting XI players being the same as the ones which got us promoted?

I'm not complaining, or creating narratives that we're not an attractive proposition for players - but a price that comes with success is that players will wonder how they will breakthrough...
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Yes.

Yes and no. They'd want more, but would still be satisfied given their individual circumstances. Why out of interest did you omit McB and Jack R?

No. That's the nature of any young player stepping up to the EPL.

No. They'd generally be realistic I feel about breaking into the side.

The narrative that you've created and seem to want to smash everyone in the face with is that Antonee Robinson has turned us down and that's now linked to us not providing opportunity for previous signings from the EFL. Which is patently untrue on many levels.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Chelsea want to offload him permanently it seems. Leeds strongly linked.

I think he'd potentially suit us more than Swift, based on his physicality and industry. He also can play a bit and is at a great age for improvement.

The problem Wilder has is convincing these EFL players that they'll be given game time and development opportunities.

Antonee Robinson is seemingly not too keen because of this, & you wonder whether Matty Cash would feel the same re: Baldock. Luke Freeman, Ben Osborn, Callum Robinson all came with strong Championship credentials and none will be fully satisfied with their PL minutes totals.
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I think Callum Robinson got a very fair crack and wasn’t good enough. Osborn had to wait a while but when he got his chance he took it and was rewarded with a run in the team. I could understand Luke Freeman being a bit annoyed about his usage. So all in all, I’d say it’s a pretty mixed bag.

I think Luke Freeman is the biggest example you have that proves your point, but Wilder would say he simply wasn’t as good as Fleck when he got his chance, therefore he couldn’t dislodge him. He’ll be telling Robinson that Enda Stevens has been great for us but Robinson will be given every chance to earn that shirt and Wilder will pick his team on merit, not on what’s gone on in the past. I don’t think there was ever a massively strong case for using Freeman over Fleck as Fleck was such a stand-out. It’s just the way it goes sometimes.
 
Houso said:
The narrative that you've created and seem to want to smash everyone in the face with is that Antonee Robinson has turned us down and that's now linked to us not providing opportunity for previous signings from the EFL. Which is patently untrue on many levels.
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No, that isn't what I've done. You just think (incorrectly) that I implied it. But anyway, it's a forum things will get misinterpreted.
 
Regarding the young championship players we've brought in and haven't played much is because the existing players have all played well and haven't had injuries to give them much of a chance, that's last season, this season could be miles different regarding form and fitness, all players know this and have to accept it.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Using only the words in my post & not the perceived meaning that you've created in interpretation...
Did C Robinson, L Freeman & Osborn arrive with good EFL credentials?
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Robinson and Feeman yes. Osborn so so.
CaptainMorgans said:
Do you think, if asked, they'd all tell you they were satisfied with the game time they got? (that isn't to say they'd complain necessarily, I'm sure they'd accept the situation for what it is)
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Robinson - 20 appearances 17 PL including a fair few starts, so was given every chance.
Freeman - 17 appearances. 11 PL. He could be disappointed however Fleck played out of his skin. When needed Freeman was injured otherwise he'd also have broken 25.
Osborn - 18 appearances. 13 PL. He was always bought as a backup so yes I think he would and should be satisfied.

CaptainMorgans said:
Do you think young signings from the EFL may look at our settled (& successful) side & see that element as a potential blocker to their development?
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Depends on the position. Outside of left sided centre half, deep lying midfield and maybe left midfield due to Fleck and Freeman, I think they would see a real chance of nailing down a first team slot if they're good enough and perform.
Connor Gallagher should see a clear route into the first team on the right side of midfield as that is wide open for someone to claim so in his case it's a definitive no.

CaptainMorgans said:
Does Wilder have a job to do in convincing these young players that they'll be given minutes, based on the majority of our PL starting XI players being the same as the ones which got us promoted?
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Not really. All those signed last year had enough appearances to put their stamp on the starting role but didn't all make it happen.
It was clear our team ran out of legs towards the end of the season, so that would highlight more opportunities, however they would know that coming in they aren't guaranteed a starting spot which could put them off. Although the obvious response to that is that if that's the case they need to look to move to a team at a lower level.

All in all I think we're an incredibly attractive proposition for any player from the lower leagues, as that what we're largely made up of. Even Berge wasn't playing in one of the big leagues in the world and we have a lower league ethic running through our club. If it's wages you are after, and I have no problem with that, then we're the wrong team. If you want to arrive with a "big time" mentality and think you should start every week we aren't right for you, and if you believe deep down you need more development and that will only come from starting then again you need to look lower in the pyramid.
Outside of that, we're a well followed, well coached, well received side, who will significantly raise your profile if you are capable of making your mark.
 
McBurnie was a new young signing last season who struggled to start with, but when he started working hard for the team, closing down & winning everything in the air he more or less nailed on a starting position from January onwards. Young players should be looking at McBurnie and seeing that if they give 80%, they'll be fighting for their place. But if they are willing to give everything, all the time, then they can nail down a place.
 

The wing back positions the way we play are physically so demanding that there is really a case for being able to rotate players a bit. I think that Enda and George did rather run out of steam towards the end of the season which affected their performances. Whether Wilder would agree I don't know and whether someone like Robinson or Gallagher would accept that I don't know either but as against that CWAK have shown them selves to be probably the best player coaches in the country.
 
With the amount of players Chelsea have & with the amount of money they're currently spending, I wonder if they'd be willing to sell Connor Gallagher this year?

I think he'd be a great addition for us. Good age, physical, athletic, decent bit of experience under his belt... think he'd be a great bit of business for us. Looks like he could slot straight in at RCM.
 
That's that then. There's no benefit to Chelsea loaning him out unless he's going to be playing week in, week out.
 
robbiez666 said:
That's that then. There's no benefit to Chelsea loaning him out unless he's going to be playing week in, week out.
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Well personally I think we might play him quite a lot. A more natural RCM than Berge in our existing formation, but this would depend on if CW is prepared to bench Oli Norwood (probably not tbf). But it's a compressed season, with two cup competitions. Gallagher is an upgrade on Lundstram in my opinion, so at worst would be 2nd choice RCM. Can also play as a 10 when we're chasing the game.

Heard he played pretty well in their friendly v Brighton.

Regarding The S*n saying he'd replace Mooy at Brighton... Surely Lallana already replaced Mooy. Not to say they wouldn't fancy another good player.

As an aside, Chelsea's stockpiling is so anti-football. Literally just profiteering. Works fantastically for them, but not exactly in the "spirit of the game"!
 
Think it would be a mistake not playing sander RCM I think he looked outstanding there a few games next season and if he's fit enough to play there every game I thinknhes going to be a beast for us next season ,that said norwood had seemed to look a liability after lockdown but the two/ three games a week just seemed too much for us
 
Niceguyeddie said:
Think it would be a mistake not playing sander RCM I think he looked outstanding there a few games next season and if he's fit enough to play there every game I thinknhes going to be a beast for us next season ,that said norwood had seemed to look a liability after lockdown but the two/ three games a week just seemed too much for us
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I don't disagree. Sander could become a beast at RCM.
I had just thought he was brought in as a long term upgrade on Norwood (who is fantastic, and a key player, just sadly lacking pace).
 
Niceguyeddie said:
Think it would be a mistake not playing sander RCM I think he looked outstanding there a few games next season and if he's fit enough to play there every game I thinknhes going to be a beast for us next season ,that said norwood had seemed to look a liability after lockdown but the two/ three games a week just seemed too much for us
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I think Sander would work best in a 2 man Central midfield with Norwood. I want to see Sander dictating games, able to carry the ball forward and take risks. If he simply replaces Norwood in that role then he can't really do that. At RCM I don't think you get him in those positions, with space to run into in front and time on the ball to pick incisive passes. It tends to he congested.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I think Sander would work best in a 2 man Central midfield with Norwood. I want to see Sander dictating games, able to carry the ball forward and take risks. If he simply replaces Norwood in that role then he can't really do that. At RCM I don't think you get him in those positions, with space to run into in front and time on the ball to pick incisive passes. It tends to he congested.
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I also don't disagree with this 😄👍

I can't wait to see the formations we use whilst smashing the league again this season.

Even if it's just the same again!
 
brownblade said:
Well personally I think we might play him quite a lot. A more natural RCM than Berge in our existing formation, but this would depend on if CW is prepared to bench Oli Norwood (probably not tbf). But it's a compressed season, with two cup competitions. Gallagher is an upgrade on Lundstram in my opinion, so at worst would be 2nd choice RCM. Can also play as a 10 when we're chasing the game.

Heard he played pretty well in their friendly v Brighton.

Regarding The S*n saying he'd replace Mooy at Brighton... Surely Lallana already replaced Mooy. Not to say they wouldn't fancy another good player.

As an aside, Chelsea's stockpiling is so anti-football. Literally just profiteering. Works fantastically for them, but not exactly in the "spirit of the game"!
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The stockpiling by all the big clubs is disgusting. One good thing about Brexit means that teams won't be able to simply buy young foreign players and then farm them out until they have an EU citizenship.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
They really just hoard players don't they. At what point do they expect him to evolve into a £50m player that can get in front of the players they're stocking up with?
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Mason mount ? Billy Gilmor ? Reece James ? Abraham? Tomori ? Hudson odoi ?
All get matches for Chelsea
 

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