[CONFIRMED] Surely not? Sky report Wolves in for McDonald

[Revolution]

It wouldn't make a damn bit of difference Foxy. The club presumably have no intention of spending the majority of the money they have received.

And you'd think the club would have learned from the Kenny debacle before putting clauses in like that.

 

[Linz]

It wouldn't make a damn bit of difference Foxy. The club presumably have no intention of spending the majority of the money they have received.

I think more likely (and slightly depressingly) the money is already spent. It's not like we run at a profit.

 

[sheffielder]

Well might I suggest that you cease with the digs, whoever they are aimed at. They come across as slightly hysterical.

Que? Didn't know my wife was Linz!

 

[metalblade]

KM one goal all last season and very few assists why are fans getting so upset FFS ? As long as the fee is invested in the team wisely KM will be soon forgotten.

 

[Revolution]

I think more likely (and slightly depressingly) the money is already spent. It's not like we run at a profit.

Neither does anyone else in the division, but then again most of them don't have owners who don't care.

 

[sheffielder]

KM one goal all last season and very few assists why are fans getting so upset FFS ? As long as the fee is invested in the team wisely KM will be soon forgotten.

I think the case is that it won't be re-invested and we have given ourselves every opportunity to not spend it.

Is that tone ok Linz?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If you're saying what I think you're saying?... the widely held assumption is that the release clause was inserted in the extended contract KMc signed at his/his agent's request and I would imagine would be a fairly common one for players negotiating contracts at this level.

I've no doubt it's the player/agent that's forced the issue, but I'd be shocked if it's fairly common - that would mean that for most players in the league clubs would be powerless to turn down most bids for their players.

 

[Linz]

Neither does anyone else in the division, but then again most of them don't have owners who don't care.

I doubt McCabe senior was much involved in this transaction.... junior and the other members of the board, more likely. And if they don't care, we're all bloody stuffed.

 

[Linz]

Is that tone ok Linz?

Marvellous, duck.

 

[Toronto Blade]

So with our usual sale out of the way early does that mean we won't have to sell anymore until the January window.

 

[sheffielder]

I've no doubt it's the player/agent that's forced the issue, but I'd be shocked if it's fairly common - that would mean that for most players in the league clubs would be powerless to turn down most bids for their players.

Ace, can't we tell everyone that Williams, Doyle and Porter have a clause in their contract.. They can go for free! just take them off the wages

 

[sheffielder]

Marvellous, duck.

Cheers love

 

[Revolution]

I doubt McCabe senior was much involved in this transaction.... junior and the other members of the board, more likely. And if they don't care, we're all bloody stuffed.

Yes we are. Those running the club are wrecking it.

 

[metalblade]

Of course we all know McCabe will pocket most of the fee and we will only spend a small fraction of any money received on some Scottish no mark.

 

[Revolution]

Of course we all know McCabe will pocket most of the fee and we will only spend a small fraction of any money received on some Scottish no mark.

Oh I don't know. I'm sure Walsall have other reserves surplus to requirements that we can pick up on the cheap.

 

[sheffielder]

So you think the best way of not having our pants pulled down in future is to publish exactly what we got and what we'd have paid him to stay? I'd suggest that's the worst thing we could do.

The way I'll be happy, is for them to deal with the loss and move on with a coherent plan. I couldn't really care less what the release clause was and how much we'd have paid him, I'm more interested on how we are going to replace him/move forward.
I'm not even sure what the party line is to tow? If we bring in another Forte or O'Halloran I'll be incredibly pissed off. On a scale of 1 to Deane and Fjortoft, I'm currently closer to 1 - I'd have much rather we kept him, but I'm not sure how much more we could have done to achieve that.

I perhaps should have worded my original point more carefully, as I wasn't intending to have a pop at you - please don't take it that way.

I just completely fail to see the logic in demanding the figures, it's counter productive and would do nothing but weaken our position at this stage.

On Saturday you're probably going to see with your eyes the lowest attendance in quite a while. Sign of things to come. Unfortunately the attendance on the tannoy will say about 3 or 4k more and you will hear a slight chuckle go out across the South Stand, actually this will probably be a bit more hysterical (as that's my way!)

 

[Linz]

I've no doubt it's the player/agent that's forced the issue, but I'd be shocked if it's fairly common - that would mean that for most players in the league clubs would be powerless to turn down most bids for their players.

I'd be highly surprised if an amount triggering a release clause wasn't a standard feature of any contract for a player negotiating an extension to their contract in this league. If it isn't, then their agents aren't doing their jobs properly.

Pure conjecture of course but... take Player A, playing for a team in League One. His contract is due to run out and the club want him to sign a new one on pretty much the same terms - low wages in the third tier of English football etc. His agent suggests that business is slow so allowing the contract to come to and end wouldn't benefit the player (and so... benefit the agent) and the Player is happy enough to bide his time at the club. The club want him to stay for as long as possible, but haven't got the financial clout to offer much better wages within the "financial model". The release clause is the bartering chip that gets him to stay for the time being.

Whether he subsequently moves when the clause is triggered depends on the player himself I guess.

 

[Foxy]

On Saturday you're probably going to see with your eyes the lowest attendance in quite a while. Sign of things to come. Unfortunately the attendance on the tannoy will say about 3 or 4k more and you will hear a slight chuckle go out across the South Stand, actually this will probably be a bit more hysterical (as that's my way!)

I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with disclosing financial details?

If we say we'd have offered him £x and show our hands on our next negotiation/tell the rest of the squad what they should ask for, will that magically bring back anyone staying away?

 

[sheffielder]

I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with disclosing financial details?

If we say we'd have offered him £x and show our hands on our next negotiation/tell the rest of the squad what they should ask for, will that magically bring back anyone staying away?

Because the faith left in some fans has gone and to some this sale will be the final trigger. You know it deep down. I want to know that we have a substantial fee for one our best players and that we are going to replace him.

Statements like undisclosed and 'already got players in the squad' will mean that the crowd will get lower and lower. That is how it's related.

 

[Linz]

If we say we'd have offered him £x and show our hands on our next negotiation/tell the rest of the squad what they should ask for, will that magically bring back anyone staying away?

I'm led to believe (again, no idea if true) that exactly this caused problems with the Jagielka/Beattie wages and the rest of the squad.

Word got out to the agents who started trying to force the club's hand on wages (and of course, pocket themselves a bit in terms of rearrangement fees).

 

[sheffielder]

I think more likely (and slightly depressingly) the money is already spent. It's not like we run at a profit.

However, we offered McDonald more money and got a fee of some nature. If we did that surely we have money to replace? A

 

[Linz]

However, we offered McDonald more money and got a fee of some nature. If we did that surely we have money to replace? A

It depends what was offered and if McDonald was one of the ones "outside the financial model". Perhaps his fee and loss of wages are covered by a saving we needed to make, rather than being converted into readies? No idea.

It's a murky business this football finance lark.

 

[Bladesman]

I am just annoyed he has gone to a rival really.

I think if you sell your better players you sell them upwards and onwards not sideways.

Wolves do have the money and on paper look more likely to go up than us which is what it boils down to for Macca I reckon.

The sad truth is regardless of how much we get for any player we know the manager is going to see fuck all of it.

 

[sheffielder]

It depends what was offered and if McDonald was one of the ones "outside the financial model".

It's a murky business this football finance lark.

Yet we don't have someone with the skills to go to somewhere and do the same. I am told that McDonald was just over the model, so to offer him a new contract would have killed that model 2 months into the process. The argument as always with every sale United do is that we never replace them adequately. I don't mind if they are loans, however they need to be good ones and we need a striker. I am concerned that Weir gave no confidence that McDonald would be replaced. That being said, he said we had all the players we needed at the club when he 1st joined, so I know he's not that stupid, however our board is.

 

[Sheff de party]

what we need is a quality central midfielder in my opinion. It's the reason we got relegated from the Premier League and one of the reasons we got relegated from the Championship (admittedly among several others). We HAVE to buy/loan some quality for the middle, or we'll just not break teams down.

 

[Rodley]

Heard McDonald was offered in excess of £10,000 per week. We can't afford that.

 

[Rodley]

Of course we all know McCabe will pocket most of the fee and we will only spend a small fraction of any money received on some Scottish no mark.

probably on free transfer from the likes of Burnley, what a joker mccabe is.

 

[metalblade]

what a joke McCabe is.

Fixed it for ya, makes you wonder why some fans still brown nose to him eh!

 

[Kev Gee]

Good riddance Kmac.
We need players here who are willing to bust a gut to get us back were we belong.
1 goal last season tells its own story.

Now its over to the board. If they didnt want Kmac to leave, then they should make damn well sure they sign a good enough replacement. If they sign some over hill has been or no-one at all then that will really tell us were the money has gone & also the clubs ambition.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]