[CONFIRMED] New Signing - Jamie Ward

[Foxy]

Aaaah he's a young player is he............. hold on I thought they said 22yr old. Tell yer what if he isn't ready for the first team by that age he never will be late developers are very few and far between.

So he's not worth a £330k gamble? how often have you seen him play?

 

[Deleted member 1466]

sharp had a better record and in league 1

this lad proberbly wont even score a goal for us

 

[chrisyb99]

dont see what people are moaning about? blackwell has stated we are still chasing another striker and ward is not in as a replacement for bt so whats the problem?

he is a player for the future, is not a big gamble as he hasnt cost that much and will not make a difference to the clubs attempts to bring in the relevant players we require for the promotion push?

why are we moaning about it blades?

 

[metalblade]

Wake up FFS we are down to 3 strikers at the club, what is needed urgently is a proven goal scorer at this level. Some are so easy to please like I said if he isn't good enough to go in the first team by the age of 22 then he never will be - one for the future my arse. :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

 

[Foxy]

Wake up FFS we are down to 3 strikers at the club, what is needed urgently is a proven goal scorer at this level. Some are so easy to please like I said if he isn't good enough to go in the first team by the age of 22 then he never will be - one for the future my arse. :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

Where did they say we've only signed Jamie Ward as the answer to all our problems?

Blackie said he was still looking for an established striker and midfielder, so why slag off the signing of Ward as if he's all we are planning on bringing in?

So if they aren't good enough for first team championship by 22 they never will be?

Okay then example number 1:

Kevin Doyle... Was at Cork City until around 22. He's the current top scorer in our league.

 

[Come from away]

why are we moaning about it blades?

Guess we like to moan. Don't see why it would be a problem, we have not even seen him play yet - anyway, price is not always a measure of quality.

 

[silverfox]

Not even worn the shirt and some have decided how good he is or will ever be!

I'll wait and see as usual.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

Where did they say we've only signed Jamie Ward as the answer to all our problems?

Blackie said he was still looking for an established striker and midfielder, so why slag off the signing of Ward as if he's all we are planning on bringing in?

So if they aren't good enough for first team championship by 22 they never will be?

Okay then example number 1:

Kevin Doyle... Was at Cork City until around 22. He's the current top scorer in our league.

doyle came over and had an instant impact, blackwell said ward wont, hes not ready

thats the difference

 

[Foxy]

doyle came over and had an instant impact, blackwell said ward wont, hes not ready

thats the difference

Blackwell actually said that he's bought him as a development player and so won't be heaping pressure on him to be the finished article straight away.

My comparison is a direct response to the opinion that if he hadn't made a championship first team by 22 that he wasn't good enough and never will be. This is clearly not the case in MANY examples, the first one I though of happening to be the top scorer in our league. If the statement was true, Doyle wouldn't have made an instant impact and wouldn't currently be top scorer.

I really don't see the outrage at this signing, I really don't.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

doyle was good enough at 22 clearly, he scored 19 goals in his first season in the championship

the kid has been bought at 22 clearly with the accpetence that he isnt good enough yet and still has to develop

your doyle example is just doesnt work in this case

 

[Foxy]

doyle was good enough at 22 clearly, he scored 19 goals in his first season in the championship

Really, which established championship side did he come from then? given that at 3 months shy of 22 if he'd not made it, he never would?

Or does that 3 months make a huge difference?

the kid has been bought at 22 clearly with the accpetence that he isnt good enough yet and still has to develop

He's been brought in as he's a young player who's shown potential. We don't want to pile the pressure on him and want to develop him, this doesn't automatically mean he isn't good enough.

your doyle example is just doesnt work in this case

How so?

What is so wrong in signing a player of this nature for £330k? why is that such a huge annoyance and problem for some?

 

[Deleted member 1466]

doyle had an instant impact

blackwell has already stated that ward wont

why is this so hard for you to get?

 

[metalblade]

doyle came over and had an instant impact, blackwell said ward wont, hes not ready

thats the difference

doyle was good enough at 22 clearly, he scored 19 goals in his first season in the championship

the kid has been bought at 22 clearly with the accpetence that he isnt good enough yet and still has to develop

your doyle example is just doesnt work in this case

Absolutely spot on Sol.

 

[butchaboy]

kid hasnt even kicked a ball and people are bringing him down already

 

[Foxy]

doyle had an instant impact

blackwell has already stated that ward wont

why is this so hard for you to get?

Its totally irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

It was said that if a 22 year old hadn't already made a championship level first team, that he wasn't good enough and never would be.

Doyle joined Reading about 3 months before his 22nd birthday from Cork, so according to the above, he wasn't good enough and never would be?

Even if my example didn't make sense...

What is the big problem with signing Jamie Ward? so far its that he's 22 and not been in a championship first team and that Blackie "doesn't expect him to make an instant impact"??

Why is that an issue when signing him as a development player for £330k? I really don't understand.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

development player hes 23 in may, if you arnt ready at 23, then its not going to happen

doyle WAS ready at 22

this lad IS NOT ready at 22

 

[Foxy]

development player hes 23 in may, if you arnt ready at 23, then its not going to happen

There are many other examples of it indeed going on to happen.

doyle WAS ready at 22

Right, I see, so what we are saying is despite him contravening the whole "not ready by 22 (or has it now changed to 23?!)" point, is, he was ready mainly because he signed for Reading and not Sheffield United?

this lad IS NOT ready at 22

Based on what? Blackie not piling pressure on him and wanting to continue developing him or the fact he's just come from Chesterfield?

Even if he isn't ready, why is it such a bad signing at £330k?!

 

[Bladesman]

I don't mind the signing of Ward aslong as we are still looking at bringing someone else.

Not really a gamble either at 330k even if he scores a handful of goals Id imagine we would still be able to recoup the money for him.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

no doyle was ready because he proved he was ready ffs!!

blackwell has been watching ward, and he has already said, he isnt ready

how many times do i need to say this?

 

[Foxy]

no doyle was ready because he proved he was ready ffs!!

and so could Ward, even though you've already decided he isn't good enough.

My whole point is, Doyle directly contradicts what was said, why is that so hard to understand? He wasn't in a first team championship side by the age of 22, thus breaking the apparent rule!

blackwell has been watching ward, and he has already said, he isnt ready

how many times do i need to say this?

I've already responded with what Blackie said and why I think he said it...

You've still not said why he's such a bad signing? other than sounding like you've already written him off.

 

[metalblade]

What I said-

Wake up FFS we are down to 3 strikers at the club, what is needed urgently is a proven goal scorer at this level. Some are so easy to please like I said if he isn't good enough to go in the first team by the age of 22 then he never will be - one for the future my arse.

Foxy's version -

It was said that if a 22 year old hadn't already made a championship level first team, that he wasn't good enough and never would be.

Two totally different statements there Foxy, can't you understand ??? Doyle was signed for Readings first team where as Ward has been signed as one to develope. We are playing an eighteen year old in our first team and he is quality usually that quality shows through before the age of 22, 23, 24 or however long it will take for him to develope. Just another cheap as chips option nothing to cream about.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

i didnt say the not being in the side at 22 thing

but the point is, he is 22 and if hes still not ready then is he ever going to be?

doyle was ready at 22, ward is not ready at 22! for the 100th time of saying

 

[metalblade]

Wasting your time Sol some don't understand some don't want to understand.

 

[Foxy]

Two totally different statements there Foxy, can't you understand ??? Doyle was signed for Readings first team where as Ward has been signed as one to develope.

Doyle actually signed as backup and one for the future according to Coppell at the time, but got his chance when Kitson got injured.

I think the "one to develop" thing is more relieving the pressure on his young shoulders. He certainly hasn't been signed as Beatties replacement, but he's not been signed without the thought that he can hold his own in the first team.

The club do right to play down the pressure, especially with the way our fans go off towards our own players.

We are playing an eighteen year old in our first team and he is quality usually that quality shows through before the age of 22, 23, 24 or however long it will take for him to develop.

He's top scorer in the league he was playing in, that means his "quality" attracted us to him. What's to say whilst wanting to continue his development that he won't get a look in?

Just another cheap as chips option nothing to cream about.

Does a player have to cost a lot of money to be successful or be worth buying? Again, Doyle cost less than £100k, cheap as chips.

Wasting your time Sol some don't understand some don't want to understand.

You are right, I don't understand what the big negative is about signing Jamie Ward for £330k and continuing to look for an established striker and midfielder?

At absolute worst we've just wasted £330k + wages on a player we can re-sell.

 

[yuley82]

Aaaah he's a young player is he............. hold on I thought they said 22yr old. Tell yer what if he isn't ready for the first team by that age he never will be late developers are very few and far between.

Hold on, 22 is young every body knows players apparently don't hit there peak until about 28, so he's got plenty of time to improve and prove himself!!! I think more people should have faith in blacky n mccabe...

 

[S64 Blade]

dont see what people are moaning about? blackwell has stated we are still chasing another striker and ward is not in as a replacement for bt so whats the problem?

he is a player for the future, is not a big gamble as he hasnt cost that much and will not make a difference to the clubs attempts to bring in the relevant players we require for the promotion push?

why are we moaning about it blades?

Yeah that's right. Can't see why everyone is so upset about it! Im quite pleased with the signing to be honest:thumbup:

 

[yuley82]

i didnt say the not being in the side at 22 thing

but the point is, he is 22 and if hes still not ready then is he ever going to be?

doyle was ready at 22, ward is not ready at 22! for the 100th time of saying

How do we know he's not ready!!? Blackwell could just be playing it down as to not put pressure on the lad, we signed sharp for 2.5m an everbody thought yes goalscorer, how wrong we were.. So signing someone for less than a quarter of that is hardly a gamble is it?!!!!

 

[Deleted member 1466]

We didnt pay 2.5 million for sharp, we got a big sell on clause back

 

[yuley82]

We didnt pay 2.5 million for sharp, we got a big sell on clause back

we had to offer 2.5m otherwise they wouldn't have opend negotiations, in the end he cost us around 1.5m, which means we lost money on a player who has scored what 6 or 8 goals in two seasons, so like i said 330k on a good youth is hardly damaging to our club!!!

 

[metalblade]

He isn't a youth at 22