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Bell4 said:
We are trying to follow the Brighton / Brentford model . Finding young athletic potential that can be developed for the first team and on occasion’s , sold for big profits .

We are moving on players who don’t want to play for us , and / or don’t fit with our new managers vision of the style of football he wants to play . We are doing this at a profit before their are at the end of their contracts and can control their own agenda .

We are trying to implement a more analytical and modern approach to coaching and management . Including the development of our training and medical facilities.

We are trying to improve our infrastructure internally and externally whilst looking to develop our stadium .

We are trying to develop our women’s team .

We are in the very early stages of biting the bullet in all this - and the owners have asked for patience . They have have also said that their aim is to return us to the Premier league and try to build an infrastructure to keep us there .

That’s what we are try to do

Grow some FFS
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I like this response.

I mean these questions, I am not trying to sound condescending I’m genuinely interested.

Why do you think we are following there model? Personally I think our current acquisitions Have followed a different route. The majority of there successful signings were bought from a higher level than we are currently scouting.

Do you know what has been implemented or due to be implemented to improve our medical and training facilities. It’s gone quiet since COH statement 9 months ago.

It would be good to hear some plans for the women’s team, I understand there has been some signings this year. Is it possible for this to have a positive impact on the men’s team?

Every teams aim is to get to the premier league and maintain that status, do you think the the infrastructure to stay there should be done before we get there to enable us to stay there or after we get there. How many times have we heard before that this and that will be done once we are established in the premier league
 
Suomi_Blade said:
Can you imagine if we get to 7pm monday 1st September and we've signed no one?!?

Im getting frustrated already, there's something seriously broken within the club, a big cog has vanished behind the scenes that made this work.
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Who was the cog behind the scenes?
 
brownblade said:
Since when did owners communicate? I don't really get it. Is this clamour because of Wrexham etc?
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No, it's a clamour because we:

  • sacked a very popular manager who finished 3rd last season
  • We've sold players and replaced them with randoms players no one has heard of.
  • Random players no one has heard of which reportedly cost £1 million plus
  • Using an AI company run by a former poker player James Bord
  • With more than one having connections to his other investments
  • Who has been given one of these players for essentially free
  • While the first team have lost 3 of 3 because they don't have enough players
  • And despite being told we're expecting more players in they haven't arrived
  • All while the manager looks increasingly frustrated
  • And while fans have factions who think we shouldn't have sacked Wilder, that we shouldn't have changed the system
  • All wondering what the intentions are of the owners because they just got the PR to knock up a buzzword meaningless statement
  • No updates on the academy. No updates on the training ground.
  • After an initial statement which promised more details.
 
Suomi_Blade said:
Got to have been someone, as whoever it was previously it's not working now, who it was i dont know, one of the previous board maybe?
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The previous board was slagged to high heaven. Distant, skint, no football knowledge, didn’t care about football etc. This is looking like a “it’s Chrisseh” post.

Is it?
 
Bell4 said:
We are trying to follow the Brighton / Brentford model . Finding young athletic potential that can be developed for the first team and on occasion’s , sold for big profits .

We are moving on players who don’t want to play for us , and / or don’t fit with our new managers vision of the style of football he wants to play . We are doing this at a profit before their are at the end of their contracts and can control their own agenda .

We are trying to implement a more analytical and modern approach to coaching and management . Including the development of our training and medical facilities.

We are trying to improve our infrastructure internally and externally whilst looking to develop our stadium .

We are trying to develop our women’s team .

We are in the very early stages of biting the bullet in all this - and the owners have asked for patience . They have have also said that their aim is to return us to the Premier league and try to build an infrastructure to keep us there .

That’s what we are try to do

Grow some FFS
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I agree with alot of your comments and certainly patience is required. But if they are trying to implement a more modern approach to coaching and management why have they not appointed a Director of Football/Sporting Director, that is an integral component of modern football and has been for sometime. Surely at this stage with a new coach and new methods introduced an opportunity has presently been missed to bring in a DoF/SpDir. to run in tandem.

As for stadium development I'm not aware of any major proposals for that due to COH'S non existent communication strategy or fan engagement. I've seen some people say why should they communicate or that American business men don't do alot of communication. Well I challenge that as Birmingham City, Wrexham and Aston Villa's owners have made their plans and strategies public knowledge. 12 clubs in the Premier League, some with part or full American ownership, have made their plans to develop their stadiums or build new ones public knowledge, in order to increase match day income, commercial opportunities and in some cases use the stadiums for more than just match days.

Because the days of owners just throwing money about are in the past and FFP rules, the way forward by many clubs is to develop commercial activities to increase revenue and club value, for example major high value sponsorship deals and investment partnerships.
 
robbiez666 said:
Maybe if the owners bothered to communicate this in a way fans would understand then they'd get their patience?
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Yes absolutely, they’re in the entertainment business now…They’ve got to throw a bit of red meat to the punters now and again to keep them engaged in the process…Apathy is the killer.
 
Sean Thornton said:
The previous board was slagged to high heaven. Distant, skint, no football knowledge, didn’t care about football etc. This is looking like a “it’s Chrisseh” post.

Is it?
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A 'chrisseh' post, what is that? You'll have to expand on that one for me.

When the prince left so did his people i assume, which i guess penalty inckudes negotiators
 

Dongivensmademecry said:
Not sure if this is covered elsewhere but I’ve had the word “patience” in my mind and do believe our owners alluded to this in their post Sunderland statement… perhaps they did tell us how it was gonna be ….” The road ahead may require patience, but also promises excitement, growth, and a footballing identity that reflects both our history and our ambition”…. I’ll wait for the excitement and growth a little longer
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I know of a football club that had similar owners giving the same advice. My own football club. You won't have it anywhere near as bad as we did but once everything is done on the cheap you're on a downwards spiral.

You have all this happening when you still have the Prem money coming in. You've brought money in and replaced the players with young, inexperienced loans that will take months to be of use. If you don't get promoted this season (it doesn't look likely) you will become an average Championship side trying to battle against the sides coming down with the Prem money and the clubs with established sides. If they won't/can't invest with the Prem money coming in so you have faith in them investing with much less money coming in?

And so the cycle continues. The loan players you have helped to improve go back to their clubs. You start again bringing on players for the Prem sides. The 'happy clappers' slowly realise what's going on but don't want to be seen as not seeing what's happening. The infighting starts.

And yes there's finally the upturn. Sunderland have been through it all like several other clubs. Languishing in League 1 for a few seasons before dragging themselves back up and got a lucky playoff win.
 
HarryHaslam said:
Bheasts? And there was me thinking you was one of the grown ups on here.
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Childish maybe but let’s not pretend you wouldn’t be in like Flynn if it was the other way around. You’ve shown your preference more than once.

It was more about CW though, it’s certainly not a job for him. The pressure at Ibrox and Parkhead would be way too much. It has been for plenty of others.
 
Suomi_Blade said:
A 'chrisseh' post, what is that? You'll have to expand on that one for me.

When the prince left so did his people i assume, which i guess penalty inckudes negotiators
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I thought with the make up of the board the only football man at the club who’d left would be Wilder. Think Schieber is still there.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Childish maybe but let’s not pretend you wouldn’t be in like Flynn if it was the other way around. You’ve shown your preference more than once.

It was more about CW though, it’s certainly not a job for him. The pressure at Ibrox and Parkhead would be way too much. It has been for plenty of others.
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Yes I prefer Celtic over Rangers, but that’s it, wouldn’t call myself a fan or ever been to a game.

And no I wouldn’t be in like Flynn, as you will know there is plenty of child abuse allegations against Rangers, and in particular two former now dead members of staff including abuse actually inside Ibrox. Do I think rangers are beasts, the staff and the fans? Of course not and I certainly wouldn’t be tagging them with names point scoring on something like child abuse, so we’ll leave that topic alone now because as you say it’s childish.

Totally agree about CW, wouldn’t end well for him up there I’d imagine.
 
HarryHaslam said:
Yes I prefer Celtic over Rangers, but that’s it, wouldn’t call myself a fan or ever been to a game.

And no I wouldn’t be in like Flynn, as you will know there is plenty of child abuse allegations against Rangers, and in particular two former now dead members of staff including abuse actually inside Ibrox. Do I think rangers are beasts, the staff and the fans? Of course not and I certainly wouldn’t be tagging them with names point scoring on something like child abuse, so we’ll leave that topic alone now because as you say it’s childish.

Totally agree about CW, wouldn’t end well for him up there I’d imagine.
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HarryHaslam said:
Yes I prefer Celtic over Rangers, but that’s it, wouldn’t call myself a fan or ever been to a game.

And no I wouldn’t be in like Flynn, as you will know there is plenty of child abuse allegations against Rangers, and in particular two former now dead members of staff including abuse actually inside Ibrox. Do I think rangers are beasts, the staff and the fans? Of course not and I certainly wouldn’t be tagging them with names point scoring on something like child abuse, so we’ll leave that topic alone now because as you say it’s childish.

Totally agree about CW, wouldn’t end well for him up there I’d imagine.
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Some inaccuracies there but as you say, let’s leave it.

Edit, not downplaying the roles of the two animals you refer to. Better they are where they are.
 
Everyone's in it for the money. We have to work out what strategy the new owners can make now after we didn't get promotion as they obviously thought we would.
Short term investment will be zero, they will not want to throw more dosh at us for no returns. They have no emotional ties to us, it was debatable whether the prince had but at least he tried to communicate, unlike this lot. So, no immediate returns, consolidate by sacking manager, hope new manager can make miracles. Obviously they have no footballing/management knowledge.....made their dosh selling pretzels. So, the only way to improve is buy players using money from sales and hope the staff are complacent in doing this. Our only hope is they are. I think that Wilder and his staff may have coped with the players he had plus a few well chosen additions. I hope the new manager and his staff can.
 
Sky Blues said:
I know of a football club that had similar owners giving the same advice. My own football club. You won't have it anywhere near as bad as we did but once everything is done on the cheap you're on a downwards spiral.

To hope we don’t end up like yourselves but who knows nowadays in what is becoming the Wild West , in my time watching our team I’ve witnessed the complete spiral and back , the premier league gamble is simply that , some get lucky but most don’t … my comment regarding patience was relating to our owners statement and the lack of it in everything nowadays
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HarryHaslam said:
Yes I prefer Celtic over Rangers, but that’s it, wouldn’t call myself a fan or ever been to a game.

And no I wouldn’t be in like Flynn, as you will know there is plenty of child abuse allegations against Rangers, and in particular two former now dead members of staff including abuse actually inside Ibrox. Do I think rangers are beasts, the staff and the fans? Of course not and I certainly wouldn’t be tagging them with names point scoring on something like child abuse, so we’ll leave that topic alone now because as you say it’s childish.

Totally agree about CW, wouldn’t end well for him up there I’d imagine.
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Those jobs up there have a shelf life simply because you need to win the league for both of them and only one can.

I personally think Wilder is exactly what they need right now. His passion and high standards and expectations from the players, his frankness, I think it would resonate far more than Martin.

I warmed to Martin as a bloke during the play offs as he was very complimentary about United. But I just don’t get his football. I remember when we beat Swansea under him. We just pressed and waited for them to make mistakes, it was almost as laughable as it was predictable.

You can imagine Wilder going off on one of the pressure ramped up. But I do think he’d get them some success and make them defensively sound, something Martin seems incapable of doing.
 
I was replying to the patience they have asked for. String you along with kind words hoping you give them an easy time while everything falls apart.

You've brought in money from player sales. You have 1 more season of Prem money. You've saved millions in wages yet what has happened in return? Young loan players without Championship experience will most probably take months to get up to speed if they do at all. And next season will most probably be worse without Prem money.

It's a disgrace how owners can come in and trash a club. It's even worse when it's a big club like your own and nothing is done about it.
 
It's all well and good saying they want to take the club into the Premier league and keep us there but their actions so far don't give that impression, more like they took a chance on buying a club which was a good bet to be promoted, that bet failed they haven't got the PL cash they were expecting and no longer have a clue what to do.

Let's have a look at what they have put into the club, £10m spunked on Tom 🫏 Cannon to get us over the line, ha ha. Brought in a couple of Nigerian kids playing in Bulgaria one seems to have disappeared already. Another kid from Bulgaria a kid from Peru who they have already phucked off to free up a space for anther overseas signing that still is yet to happen. What else oh yeah loaned a kid from Forest who has no Championship experience, a kid from Villa the same another kid from Portugal with an obligation to buy should we be promoted, let's be kind and call it a loan.

While all this was happening we sold two of our best players and a journeyman striker for good money none have been replaced as yet on top of that we lose six loans in the summer and Brewster. Looks to me like they are desperate to cut the wage bill the danger is if we cut down to the bare bones we could find ourselves in league one with no money and very few players. It feels almost like a Chansiri club reset he just didn't pay the players to make them phuck off before playing the kids. Looks like we are having a fire sale of the high earners. Apart from mowing the grass nothing at all happening on the new training ground, oh yes new tarmac in the car park and a promise of rail seating on the kop, rumours not all is well in the consortium and that's your lot. Be patient just over a week to go and not one permanent player signing not even on a free, tells me everything when McBurnie twice the player Cannon is chooses to sign on to cash strapped Hull city.

I'm looking forward to COH's next statement I'd bet it isn't a statement signing.
 
Bell4 said:
We are trying to follow the Brighton / Brentford model . Finding young athletic potential that can be developed for the first team and on occasion’s , sold for big profits .

We are moving on players who don’t want to play for us , and / or don’t fit with our new managers vision of the style of football he wants to play . We are doing this at a profit before their are at the end of their contracts and can control their own agenda .

We are trying to implement a more analytical and modern approach to coaching and management . Including the development of our training and medical facilities.

We are trying to improve our infrastructure internally and externally whilst looking to develop our stadium .

We are trying to develop our women’s team .

We are in the very early stages of biting the bullet in all this - and the owners have asked for patience . They have have also said that their aim is to return us to the Premier league and try to build an infrastructure to keep us there .

That’s what we are try to do

Grow some FFS
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Whilst I agree that you could possibly read between the lines of what was, frankly a mostly generic statement put out when Selles was appointed, and conclude that they want to follow a number of your points and develop the club from within to achieve the sustainable PL goal. However, it shouldn't be just for the fans to make their own conclusions entirely, but for the owners to provide a little more substance on the future of the club.

The statement at the time and also now, seemed that it was issued not as a roll out of the grand plan you have alluded to, but to appease the masses. There was no substance within the June statement. It was a short statement which you'd expect to be followed up on in the summer.

In that one statement, they wanted to talk up Selles and what he would bring to the club, which is natural, but they have since left him to his devices and to take the heat, which doesn't really seem fair on him and the players that remain.

I find it quite odd. We have made a poor start to the season after one of, if not the poorest summers of recruitment which i can remember, perhaps that will change in the coming days and we'll get new bodies in, but the evidence so far from the summer suggests we're far from the plan and in all honesty, i'm not sure that they have given a realistic chance to Selles to succeed.

We keep talking about "patience" and thats fine. I think most of us understand that things don't always happen immediately, but I think thats when the owners should be coming out and providing a little more along the lines of what you describe in your post. They haven't done that, they've left the manager to defend things which are most likely out of his control and they've given, on current evidence, very little for him to work with. None of which casts them in a good light, even if in the background they're doing wonderful things
 

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