COH - Not skint

[brownblade]

Football might not be something they're experts in, they made a big call on changing manager, slow on recruitment this window... But not skint.

So there's one boring assumption/conspiracy we can cross off the moaning list at least.

There's nothing to say they won't oversee a great era that's better than Prince Abdullah's... But it is far less likely if they're being berated by Sheffield United supporters online and in the stadium.

Why would they continue to invest long term if they're getting abuse? Actions have consequences. Can we be a bit classier and more patient than other fanbases?

N.B. I understand it's going badly on the pitch so far, but the impatience and chants for Selles also sit badly with me.

 

[SwissBlade]

Football might not be something they're experts in, they made a big call on changing manager, slow on recruitment this window... But not skint.

So there's one boring assumption/conspiracy we can cross off the moaning list at least.

There's nothing to say they won't oversee a great era that's better than Prince Abdullah's... But it is far less likely if they're being berated by Sheffield United supporters online and in the stadium.

Why would they continue to invest long term if they're getting abuse? Actions have consequences. Can we be a bit classier and more patient than other fanbases?

N.B. I understand it's going badly on the pitch so far, but the impatience and chants for Selles also sit badly with me.

They're perhaps not skint, but they're tight with the money, But things are indeed going badly on the pitch and its entirely of COH's making.

They haven't acted in the transfer market with any conviction to get players in at the level we need for now until last week when we signed Tanganga.

It shows a complete lack of a plan and a complete unwillingness or a lack of understanding of what was required in the last two months to support the new head coach that they brought in.

They have reacted at the very last moments of the Transfer window when we're adrift already after 4 games, that doesn't really tie in with the short statements that they have made when Selles was appointed.

I don't see that they're really that interested in the success and sustainability of the club at the top level.

Selles is caught in the middle, he's been brought in to do a job which so far is proving to be beyond his capability, we've recruited players, in the most part lack experience for the level we want to get to in this division, and we've created what looks to be an unbalanced side, with an overload of Centre Halves and wingers to play a system which again has proved to have gaping holes up top and through the defensive midfield.

The positive is that we've been able to bring in quality and experience in Mees and Tanganga

Just because the owners have now reacted also doesn't mean that Selles is suddenly suited to the job, but it gives him no excuses now

 

[spongebobblade]

As you have said yourself, they are probably not football experts. They have discarded a manager who achieved 92 points last season (and promptly split the fan base). Brought in a manager who has achieved very little if anything in his career. Seem to have changed recruitment from AI to more experienced players and been extremely slow implementing it (have we panic bought? Time will tell) They have employed a manager who despite not having all the tools at first has implemented a style of play that nobody can understand, is nothing like what he said it would be and has stubbornly refused to acknowledge the alarming deficiencies in it. No green shoots of promise and he’s overseen 5 consecutive defeats. Any investment is minimal considering the amount of players that have departed since the end of last season and the transfer fees received. I’d say any abuse towards the manager or themselves has been a wake up call that we are not just a toy to play with. This is a defining season with the last parachute payment and so far they couldn’t have got it more wrong

 

[Newbury Blade]

They're perhaps not skint, but they're tight with the money, But things are indeed going badly on the pitch and its entirely of COH's making.

They haven't acted in the transfer market with any conviction to get players in at the level we need for now until last week when we signed Tanganga.

It shows a complete lack of a plan and a complete unwillingness or a lack of understanding of what was required in the last two months to support the new head coach that they brought in.

They have reacted at the very last moments of the Transfer window when we're adrift already after 4 games, that doesn't really tie in with the short statements that they have made when Selles was appointed.

I don't see that they're really that interested in the success and sustainability of the club at the top level.

Selles is caught in the middle, he's been brought in to do a job which so far is proving to be beyond his capability, we've recruited players, in the most part lack experience for the level we want to get to in this division, and we've created what looks to be an unbalanced side, with an overload of Centre Halves and wingers to play a system which again has proved to have gaping holes up top and through the defensive midfield.

The positive is that we've been able to bring in quality and experience in Mees and Tanganga

Just because the owners have now reacted also doesn't mean that Selles is suddenly suited to the job, but it gives him no excuses now

Why would they buy the club if they are not interested in success at the highest level? The way they’ve gone about it is open to criticism but the old “no ambishun” argument makes no sense.

 

[SwissBlade]

Why would they buy the club if they are not interested in success at the highest level? The way they’ve gone about it is open to criticism but the old “no ambishun” argument makes no sense.

I have no answer to your question, but only going on the way they have invested so far as they have reacted to knock backs rather than building the solid base of experience first

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

As you have said yourself, they are probably not football experts. They have discarded a manager who achieved 92 points last season (and promptly split the fan base). Brought in a manager who has achieved very little if anything in his career. Seem to have changed recruitment from AI to more experienced players and been extremely slow implementing it (have we panic bought? Time will tell) They have employed a manager who despite not having all the tools at first has implemented a style of play that nobody can understand, is nothing like what he said it would be and has stubbornly refused to acknowledge the alarming deficiencies in it. No green shoots of promise and he’s overseen 5 consecutive defeats. Any investment is minimal considering the amount of players that have departed since the end of last season and the transfer fees received. I’d say any abuse towards the manager or themselves has been a wake up call that we are not just a toy to play with. This is a defining season with the last parachute payment and so far they couldn’t have got it more wrong

The investment isn’t minimal though and certainly isn’t covered by sales. You add those contract up that we’re now committed to and it’s a significant investment especially once the parachute payments end.
I also think they’ve seemingly accepted shortcomings with their original recruitment approach with Mee and Ings but Chong, McGuinness, Matos, and Ogbene seem to be clearly stats based.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Why would they buy the club if they are not interested in success at the highest level? The way they’ve gone about it is open to criticism but the old “no ambishun” argument makes no sense.

They bought it with a mind that it was a 3 horse race for promotion and with a good backing in JTW almost a certainty - their 105 million would be worth 150 million in circa 6 months. It was a gamble that failed.

Someone now late in the window is telling them without the money made on sales this window being spent on a squad their 105 million could be worth circa 40 million come May.

I think the better outcome could have been a better possibility if instead of Cannon they had bought Tanganga.

But one thing is absolute certain they will be massively regretting changing Wider for Selles.

 

[spongebobblade]

The investment isn’t minimal though and certainly isn’t covered by sales. You add those contract up that we’re now committed to and it’s a significant investment especially once the parachute payments end.

Isn’t that the norm for most clubs? We don’t know the details but we’ve not exactly pushed the boat out signing top players on top deals? I’d hazzard the wage bill is considerably lower than at the end of last season. Understandable with the drop in income but we’ve done nothing earth shattering.

 

[brownblade]

They're perhaps not skint, but they're tight with the money, But things are indeed going badly on the pitch and its entirely of COH's making.

They haven't acted in the transfer market with any conviction to get players in at the level we need for now until last week when we signed Tanganga.

It shows a complete lack of a plan and a complete unwillingness or a lack of understanding of what was required in the last two months to support the new head coach that they brought in.

They have reacted at the very last moments of the Transfer window when we're adrift already after 4 games, that doesn't really tie in with the short statements that they have made when Selles was appointed.

I don't see that they're really that interested in the success and sustainability of the club at the top level.

Selles is caught in the middle, he's been brought in to do a job which so far is proving to be beyond his capability, we've recruited players, in the most part lack experience for the level we want to get to in this division, and we've created what looks to be an unbalanced side, with an overload of Centre Halves and wingers to play a system which again has proved to have gaping holes up top and through the defensive midfield.

The positive is that we've been able to bring in quality and experience in Mees and Tanganga

Just because the owners have now reacted also doesn't mean that Selles is suddenly suited to the job, but it gives him no excuses now

I was only outlining they're not skint.

Most of what you've said can be put down to learning. You'd think they'd learn from this summer.

"I don't see that they're really that interested in the success and sustainability of the club at the top level." - this is just an emotional reaction isn't it - no basis for saying that. Inexperience leads to errors in all walks of life - none of what's happened means they lost interest almost immediately in a sizeable and public investment. If they did... Presumably it'd be thousands of supporters slagging them off.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I wish I was skint enough to spend 100 million on something. Those asset stripping types were dumb dumbs.

We have undoubtedly spent a fair bit.

I am unconvinced we have spent it well.

 

[coolasanidiot]

I wish I was skint enough to spend 100 million on something. Those asset stripping types were dumb dumbs.

We have undoubtedly spent a fair bit.

I am unconvinced we have spent it well.

Maybe so, but at one point we had the feeling they were going to spend anything - so what we have got we have to be thankful for.

Seems the AI twaddle has been completely binned off and looking at some of these signings I think they were what Wilder had told Bettis he wanted.

Regardless of who manager is in a few weeks- the squad looks good enough for mid table. Which whilst sat on Nil Points is again a positive thought.

 

[Harrisblade]

They bought it with a mind that it was a 3 horse race for promotion and with a good backing in JTW almost a certainty - their 105 million would be worth 150 million in circa 6 months. It was a gamble that failed.

Someone now late in the window is telling them without the money made on sales this window being spent on a squad their 105 million could be worth circa 40 million come May.

I think the better outcome could have been a better possibility if instead of Cannon they had bought Tanganga.

But one thing is absolute certain they will be massively regretting changing Wider for Selles.

Do you think that Wilder had nothing to do with buying Cannon then?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Regardless of who manager is in a few weeks- the squad looks good enough for mid table. Which whilst sat on Nil Points is again a positive thought.

Coning mid table is a disaster. Anything other than promotion is.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Do you think that Wilder had nothing to do with buying Cannon then?

No I think it was another of Chris's high spend duds. That said I think gaining 92 and without doubt the better team on the day lost in PO Final. He 100% should not be sat at home right now.

 

[Tony Currie]

If you look at money incomings v outgoings (see full transfer summary thread) it looks like cloth cutting!

 

[deplorable]

They bought it with a mind that it was a 3 horse race for promotion and with a good backing in JTW almost a certainty - their 105 million would be worth 150 million in circa 6 months. It was a gamble that failed.

Someone now late in the window is telling them without the money made on sales this window being spent on a squad their 105 million could be worth circa 40 million come May.

I think the better outcome could have been a better possibility if instead of Cannon they had bought Tanganga.

But one thing is absolute certain they will be massively regretting changing Wider for Selles.

Still not sure that the purchase was solely a gamble on promotion TBH (could be wrong though)? I think that there is also the A.I. side of things as well that they have/are attempting to run with as part of the logic for the investment?

A Champ club our size would normally be valued around the £60m-£70m mark, I think that this is what WBA was sold for last time? The Academy/new training ground could add further value though, if ever built?

As for being skint, this window doesn't prove if they are or not to me, next season will be more of an indication of how much money the group have and/or are willing to further invest (i.e. drop off in revenue, new training ground build costs, sustaining known championship club losses, etc).

Finally, the fans travelling home and away can voice their opinions all they want for me, they pay their money, fund travel, etc and won't be bothered what keyboard warriors state on platforms like this.

 

[Newbury Blade]

They bought it with a mind that it was a 3 horse race for promotion and with a good backing in JTW almost a certainty - their 105 million would be worth 150 million in circa 6 months. It was a gamble that failed.

Someone now late in the window is telling them without the money made on sales this window being spent on a squad their 105 million could be worth circa 40 million come May.

I think the better outcome could have been a better possibility if instead of Cannon they had bought Tanganga.

But one thing is absolute certain they will be massively regretting changing Wider for Selles.

I agree with all that, but I am sure they want success. I was replying to a post suggesting they didn’t.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Coning mid table is a disaster. Anything other than promotion is.

Absolutely but be realistic we are already 12 points behind. Promotion has gone this season. Just staying up right now is the target.

 

[Balham]

No I think it was another of Chris's high spend duds. That said I think gaining 92 and without doubt the better team on the day lost in PO Final. He 100% should not be sat at home right now.

No, he should be sat back patting himself on the back after a stellar Premier League transfer window. Unfortunately, he had an absolute aberration for the hour after Burrows' 'goal' was disallowed and as a result he's out of a job.

Absolutely but be realistic we are already 12 points behind. Promotion has gone this season. Just staying up right now is the target.

Behave. On 1/9/21 we were second bottom with 2 points from 5 matches. Forest were bottom with 1 point yet we both comfortably made the play-offs at the end of that season

There's 42 matches left.

 

[coolasanidiot]

I agree with all that, but I am sure they want success. I was replying to a post suggesting they didn’t.

What they want is success in the form of a good return on their money. Only way is getting to Prem and flipping it on to new owners. Fraid thats not happening anytime soon.

 

[Grappler]

I have asked this before, but I guess none of us have the answers; who (if anyone) advised the board to get rid of Chris Wilder?

Maybe they made that decision themselves, based on disciplinary fines and things like that.

Who identified Ruben Selles and advised that he would be the man to employ to be manager, and what was that based on?

When Selles was interviewed, he must have told them who (in the current line up at the time) would not make the cut, and who (or what type) of players he needed. Who was supposed to act on that?

My Hull supporting mate said (when we appointed Selles) that he would shore up the defence, yet we didn't (until now), so I think Selles has had his hands tied.

How much of a say does Selles have in the players coming in?, does he identify the player or just the position?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Money is only one of many things they need. Chansiri threw a hell of a lot of money at the pigs. The ability to formulate a strategy, appoint expertise, delegate, assess things accurately, recruit wisely, sell/sack wisely. A great many other things. A lot of the clubs in this league have chucked money at it and are now handcuffed by FFP despite a willingness to throw even more money. They blew it and there's a cost even if Bill Gates owns your club.

 

[1889]

No one can say that they haven’t spent money or invested in the squad, albeit at the eleventh hour. But it does seem to have been a scatter gun approach, led by panic rather than structured, planned strengthening of specific areas of the squad, targeting a specific type of player with desired skills, abilities and character traits.

I think we have to put this down to their collective lack of experience of both owning a football club and the future planning, associated time constraints and just the day to day running of the whole business. Instead of preparing for the window, assessing the squad, identifying areas of weakness and targets to improve them, in order to be ready to go as near the start of the season as possible. I think they’ve thought, we only just missed out last year, let’s wing it and see how we go. After 4 games with no points it feels like, they’ve basically ran into the store on the last day of the sales and filled their trolley, in the hope that when they get home, some of the stuff will fit.

Personally, I think they’ve done enough to be upper mid table, but I hope this has been a huge learning experience for them on our road to European domination.

 

[coolasanidiot]

No, he should be sat back patting himself on the back after a stellar Premier League transfer window. Unfortunately, he had an absolute aberration for the hour after Burrows' 'goal' was disallowed and as a result he's out of a job.

It's fine margins 'Bal' from where I was sat at Wembley - Moore and Brooks both had good chances to seal it but didn't. Some wanted a change of style, fraid I'm in the category 'a wins a win'. I loved the fact that in a lot of the games we were second best but got the win. To change Wilder was silly, to change Wilder without a full infastructure that took care of a lot of the things that Wilder took care of was mental.

 

[coolasanidiot]

No, he should be sat back patting himself on the back after a stellar Premier League transfer window. Unfortunately, he had an absolute aberration for the hour after Burrows' 'goal' was disallowed and as a result he's out of a job.



Behave. On 1/9/21 we were second bottom with 2 points from 5 matches. Forest were bottom with 1 point yet we both comfortably made the play-offs at the end of that season

There's 42 matches left.

I agree target now Play Offs- but the OP is COH not skint- I think they have reinvested enough to assure we at least get mid table anything else is a bonus.

 

[Balham]

It's fine margins 'Bal' from where I was sat at Wembley - Moore and Brooks both had good chances to seal it but didn't. Some wanted a change of style, fraid I'm in the category 'a wins a win'. I loved the fact that in a lot of the games we were second best but got the win. To change Wilder was silly, to change Wilder without a full infastructure that took care of a lot of the things that Wilder took care of was mental.

Totally and utterly agree with the highlighted comment. It was all held together with sellotape and string and the lot has fallen down now like a Blue Peter model.

 

[nopigfansintown]

No I think it was another of Chris's high spend duds. That said I think gaining 92 and without doubt the better team on the day lost in PO Final. He 100% should not be sat at home right now.

The Tanganga/Cannon false premise/false dichotomy also misses the obvious point theat they could've gone and got both. It was patently obvious that permanent centre backs were needed for the long term good of the club regardless of needs in other areas. If they looked at our squad and didn't see a dearth of permanent squad members and a need for long term replacements for Anel and Robbo that's worrying...

 

[Sean Thornton]

They bought it with a mind that it was a 3 horse race for promotion and with a good backing in JTW almost a certainty - their 105 million would be worth 150 million in circa 6 months. It was a gamble that failed.

Someone now late in the window is telling them without the money made on sales this window being spent on a squad their 105 million could be worth circa 40 million come May.

I think the better outcome could have been a better possibility if instead of Cannon they had bought Tanganga.

But one thing is absolute certain they will be massively regretting changing Wider for Selles.

Their interest was known before the season started. The horses weren’t even going behind at that point.

 

[Ron_Justice]

I think they learn. However, because of the nature off a Consortium, things take longer than they should to be decided - we saw this with the CW's sacking for example and with the sluggish start to the Transfer Window. But, they learned and acted. What I hope for now is that they appoint a DoF. A super knowledgeable, highly experienced football head. Both the manager sacking, appointment and Transfer process highlight the utmost need for football people/person at the very top of the club.

They learn. I hope they've learned that they need to employ someone who knows the game, inside and out and can help them navigate the off field challenges.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Their interest was known before the season started. The horses weren’t even going behind at that point.

Maybe but they actually stumped up late 24 - when things looked very positive league table wise. I'm certainly not ITK - and what I've said is what seems to make sense to me. I don't think COH are skint but I cannot see them wanting to waste money ad infinitum.