Clough's unhappy .....

[wizadry]

If people are/were expecting Clough to spend big on marquee signings, I fear they are going to continue to be disappointed!
He is not that sort of manager, never has been and never will be. I personally prefer his approach of building a squad and trying to unearth a gem here and there.
True, some of his signings haven't worked yet and he has made mistakes in the transfer window, but all managers make mistakes - (Alex Ferguson - Djemba Djema anyone??)

All right mate.I wasn't one for wanting Clough to spend big on marquee signings as such myself,but what i can't accept is if Clough turns out how you want him too.

I don't want our club having a manager who just wants to hope that he can unearth a gem here and there,especially if there's money there to spend,that can be a gamble in itself.I know every signing is a gamble in a way,but some managers take considerably bigger gambles than others and it's them decisions they live or die from.

For me,what a manager should be able to determine,is when to spend so much on a certain kind of player when required,whether that be big or small.Now if you spend big,then the pressure is really on,but if you spend small,just like Cloughy seems to have been doing,then the board would not put as much pressure on him as if he were to spend big,and this is the only way in which our manager will fail with some of our fans.

The example you use about Sir Alex might have been a good one,but for me,atleast he was willing to take them sort of gambles,and risk losing his job for the cause.

It's very evident to me that Cloughy isn't really willing to grab the bull by the horns so to speak when it comes to taking a few risks in transfer activity,and tactical decisions in game time,as was evident again on Saturday when he should have changed it straight away imo when Higgo got sent off.

Now i'm not saying it's all bad as i think we have some good players here,and i think with a couple of good additions,along with a fully fit squad,we will have a good chance of promotion one way or another,but the post i'm replying too got me thinking long and hard about what would happen if we were to get to the Championship and Cloughy been the sort of manager SE9 Blade refers too,would he try to take a few risks and grab the league by the scruff of the neck?or,would he do like he has done all the way through his managerial career,and not kick the clubs on in a way that a lot of us,and other clubs fans he's managed would want them to?I hope it's the former,but the evidence so far hasn't been overwhelming.

Whatever he does i'll support him while ever he's here,but he shouldn't escape criticism for some of the baffling decisions he's done this season,and i'd just like to hear some thoughts on what they think about Cloughy taking us forward after this season,because afterall,that is where we would like to be heading isn't it,forward.UTB.

 

[bladesmanluke]

I'm confident he will have us stable in the championship, from there who knows? But we have to get there first, something he's clearly struggling with.

 

[wizadry]

I'm confident he will have us stable in the championship, from there who knows? But we have to get there first, something he's clearly struggling with.

They're my general thoughts aswell,but you would think we'd be used to struggles now wouldn't you been blades and all that.

 

[SE9 Blade]

I don't necessarily disagree with you wizardry, I'm just saying that's the type of manager he is and for the position that the club is in, I think he is the right fit for the moment. This may change in the championship if he struggles to evolve and change may be necessary then.
Having said that, I am a big fan and I really hope he eventually develops into a premiership manager (with us obviously)

 

[Darthblade]

Why not? What would he have to lose?

The whole OP sounds like fans making up some ITK info in order to push their opinon of what is happening.
Clough has consitantly said he's had backing, and if he hasn't he would be daft to state otherwise given it's his reputation on the line. You can come out and say you've not been given what was promised without going down the gross misconduct line plus the board would have a huge PR nightmare on their hands if they tried to force him out after he said that.

None of the OP sits right for me.

Bob .... I appreciate your scepticism but I can assure you I didn't make up the info I was told. I did say that I don't know if its right or not, but simply that it does fit in with some of the anomalies that have occurred so far this season.

I admit that I DO have a natural scepticism myself regarding the Blades Board, which is a healthy one developed and matured over 50 years of supporting United and witnessing gross mismanagement and serial underachieveing of a decent sized Club. ( no ...... we are definitely nowhere near massive !! )

I still maintain that the Club do not deserve the loyalty of the fanbase that they have. We don't need, in my opinion, to spend huge sums of money to escape this crappy division, but we do need to act now if the opportunity of this season is not to be missed.
UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

I don't understand the question of being paid less than was promised. Surely, once a salary has been agreed the terms are then transferred to a written contract? At all times, solicitors represent both parties and act as representatives to safeguard their clients. Before signing said contract, both parties are provided with copies to read and check before signing. Once read and checked, unless there's anything that's not as agreed, both parties sign the agreement. So your question is answered. I don't understand the point you're making. The scenario you've mentioned wouldn't occur, so the OP is empty, pointless, and never had legs to begin with.

I never mentioned NC's salary, not sure where that came in at all. I referred to the suggestion that he was " well pissed off with the Board and doesn't believe that the promises made to him in terms of the resources available, have been forthcoming", in the sense that the financial resources to equip the squad for promotion have not been forthcoming.

I would venture to suggest that we have not exactly pushed the boat out to bring in players who are able to get us out of this division.
UTB & FTP

 

[super_pig]

Not sure there is a funding problem in the sense suggested so far. I think money is available but that NC has very clear ideas of what a player is worth and will not pay "over the odds".
Against that we are seen by selling clubs as cash rich - Saudi backing, good cup revenues and selling HM - and are quoted over the top prices as happened with Coady.

i'm not sure that i buy into the Coady thing anymore.. he ended up going to Huddersfield for half the 'supposed' price??

 

[itsinyerblood]

I never mentioned NC's salary, not sure where that came in at all. I referred to the suggestion that he was " well pissed off with the Board and doesn't believe that the promises made to him in terms of the resources available, have been forthcoming", in the sense that the financial resources to equip the squad for promotion have not been forthcoming.

I would venture to suggest that we have not exactly pushed the boat out to bring in players who are able to get us out of this division.
UTB & FTP

Only Clough can answer that one, and from what I've seen he seems content with his relationship with the board, but as I say, that's my view, I don't really have any answers that are satisfactory, neither does anyone else, apart from NC and the board.

What happens regularly on here is the way opinion quickly becomes established fact, as if the poster actually attended a meeting that's under discussion.

 

[HoodedClaw]

It's very evident to me that Cloughy isn't really willing to grab the bull by the horns so to speak when it comes to taking a few risks in transfer activity,and tactical decisions in game time,as was evident again on Saturday when he should have changed it straight away imo when Higgo got sent off.

Absolutely spot on Wiz, he seems very risk averse. A bit too much IMO.

if we were to get to the Championship and Cloughy been the sort of manager SE9 Blade refers too,would he try to take a few risks and grab the league by the scruff of the neck?or,would he do like he has done all the way through his managerial career,and not kick the clubs on in a way that a lot of us,and other clubs fans he's managed would want them to?I hope it's the former,but the evidence so far hasn't been overwhelming.

I fear for him if he does "only" get us stable in the championship and doesn't kick on. Working on the basis that there is investment to come when/if we get to the championship I don't think it will be regarded as investment to get us stable it will be to get to the premiership, this is the only place where the Prince will be able to sell his share and make some cash.

 

[Darthblade]

Absolutely spot on Wiz, he seems very risk averse. A bit too much IMO.



I fear for him if he does "only" get us stable in the championship and doesn't kick on. Working on the basis that there is investment to come when/if we get to the championship I don't think it will be regarded as investment to get us stable it will be to get to the premiership, this is the only place where the Prince will be able to sell his share and make some cash.

This, of course, works on the presumption that the Prince's ultimate aim is to make money from us. He may simply love the sexy red & white wizards like we do and be happy to be owner of such a wonderful Club, Premiership or Championship .....

Seriously though ...... if he's looking to make his fortune from selling us, then he's fu**ed up in bigger style than McCabe did when he appointed Bryan Robson as manager !!
UTB & FTP

 

[HoodedClaw]

This, of course, works on the presumption that the Prince's ultimate aim is to make money from us. He may simply love the sexy red & white wizards like we do and be happy to be owner of such a wonderful Club, Premiership or Championship .....

Seriously though ...... if he's looking to make his fortune from selling us, then he's fu**ed up in bigger style than McCabe did when he appointed Bryan Robson as manager !!
UTB & FTP

Well who could blame him if he did eh??

I'd say it's a calculated risk, it's not about making a fortune to him (would be to us mortals) I think he's looked at it and thought hmmm I reckon £20m should be enough to get promotion to PL where I can then sell for, what do you reckon £40m?? that's not a bad ROI.

I'd be interested to know if any timescales have been assigned to it, especially after JP mentioned something about his job being on the line if we don't get promoted this season.

And please don't mention BR, was having agood day 'til you did that.

 

[blade too long]

If Clough is unhappy about being promised money thats not been as forthcoming as hed like Stuart Gray must be near suicidal
I was told at work our overtime pay would go up and thered be more night and weekend cover , saw non of the above , you get on with it

 

[submarine]

NC is the tosser he only signs players from scotland, who don't know him , prem lg loans won't come to him now , I know a good CBfrom LFC that LFC want him to go to a Lg 1 club but he wonwon't come to us because of NC , let NC go to Bolton heis a morron !!

 

[AnonymousBlade1995]

NC is the tosser he only signs players from scotland, who don't know him , prem lg loans won't come to him now , I know a good CBfrom LFC that LFC want him to go to a Lg 1 club but he wonwon't come to us because of NC , let NC go to Bolton heis a morron !!

"heis a morron!!" lol do i need to say anything

 

[puppet]

"heis a morron!!" lol do i need to say anything

CLUOGH IS A MORRON SEND HIM TO BOLLTON