Clough's reasons behind his starting XI.

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My main concern is that we seem to have brought in 6 or 7 average L1 players when what we needed was 3 or 4 quality players to add to what we already had. The defence looks incredibly shaky (yesterday & in pre-season) and - as we have done for ages - we lack pace & power all over the pitch. Bristol City weren't great but were stronger and quicker than us and that told in the end.

Early days I know and I just hope that all these NC signings come good soon. I also think we need a couple of good loan signings.

This is our 4th season in Division 3 and anything less than promotion would be failure.
 

Just heard him on Radio Sheffield. Agreed that Alcock was our best player. Thought the two centre backs were fantastic and "coped with everything". Said that a lot of our crosses were wasted and suggested Higden should look for tap ins at the near post instead of hanging at the back for crosses.

Overall disappointing for me. Alcock got some vital touches and blocks in. The two fullbacks didn't impress and Alcock has played better at fullback when I've seen him in pre-season games.

Surprised Higden even played I thought we were led to believe he's several weeks behind in level of fitness. Once fit and used to the team he'll be banging them in. He had some nice touches first half and has presence which Porter doesn't. Needs service as well.

I agree with others who say it was a strange team selection, Collins played well last season and has done ok pre-season, should have played. I didn't think that McGahey looked comfortable and probably needs an older head to reassure him. Didn't notice much of Basham. Davies was frustrating.

A poor second best today, disappointing in front of a good crowd.

I Noticed Basham all match.....he was that poor.
 
As much as I like Davies & as glad as I am that he is back with us, I hope to god that he isn't going to be our 1st choice full back. Yes he has plenty of experience (something which the side didn't have in abundance yesterday), and he is very good from the dead ball, but I think we have better options overall. Personally I would have liked to see Alcock at full back with Collins partnering young Harrison in the middle. For the stick people have given Collins over the last few seasons, he is exactly what we were missing yesterday... a leader at the back.

Overall, I'm not overly disappointed about the performance. I think there are more positives than negatives, namely Reed (how good does that lad look by the way?), Higdon getting a 90 minute run out & seeing some of the excellent football we are capable of producing (in glimpses) in that first half.

Still confident of a promotion this season... don't think we'll win it. Bristol are a very, very good team & if they can keep hold of Baldock, I rekon they'll walk this division. How good was that Wilbraham by the way? Looked a class above everyone else! Bloody good signing that.

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grafikhaus I don't think the fitness issue is so much down to the preseason fixtures, but because we've picked up injuries - Baxter, Collins, Wallace to name just three have reportedly picked up niggles in the preseason games. Could they have been prevented with different opposition? Difficult to say, but it's unlikely. We just need to get those players back fully fit and challenging

Plus Harris, Basham, Flynn and Higdon all looked off the pace at various times yesterday. I would've still played all except Basham yesterday though. Higdon was a threat and will be fitter for playing yesterday.

Whatever the reasons, we looked a yard behind Bristol C for most of the game. Second half we should've come out flying, but we didn't. I think the quality is there, but for our counter attacking game we need 100% of the players 100% fit.

And we needed Doyle to captain. The one change I would've made to the starting line up would've been Doyle for for Basham.

One other thing. Jose looked tidy in his Cameo in the centre of midfield alongside Reed. Perhaps Reed-Baxter and Scoogs could work in there?

I agree with you that we had several players today who looked less than their best. Murphy, Flynn, Harris, Basham to name a few. Higdon tired after an hour and could probably have come off, but he DID hold the ball up well. If we'd played baxter upfront their CH's would have eaten him for breakfast.

I DON'T agree with you about Doyle though !!! We need him in the side like we need syphilis. He is immobile, cannot keep up with play, cant therefore tackle, can't pass and is certainly not an inspirational leader ON the pitch. Nice guy ..... ineffective and he was the weak link last season in our midfield.

What I have learned from Saturday is that we can't afford the luxury of playing more than one of Baxter, Scougal, Reed at the same time as it makes us too lightweight for this Division. All good players in their own right but they all get shoved off the ball easily in this Division and the poor quality referees we must endure will NOT give fouls for these issues.

We also needed either Butler or Collins at CH if McGahey is to play, as he needs an experienced voice next to him.

Regrettably though, we didn't cover ourselves in glory 2nd half as we never pushed on from a promising 1st half performance against a team who are likely to be one of the top 3/4 this year. We also NEED to start taking the chances we make for ourselves, three missed opportunities in the first half !!!

Interesting to see if NC brings in a new CH to replace Harry during the next week as it seems that Doyle / Collins are being phased out this season ........ not surprising as their contracts are up in June 2015 and neither are likely to be offered new ones.
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I think some comments on here may come back to haunt a few, just as the early slating of Murphy, Flynn, Coady and the signing of Scoogs last year.
Talking of Coady, I think watching Reed yesterday might highlight why Clough didn't want to over pay early for Coady.
 
Higdon will be a great signing for us. Basham on the other hand is no better than we already had at the club.
 
The question of why Higton would be captain that I can guess would be that it was a financial decision in order to offer him the wages higher than the others without breaking the salary structure of the club. This may have been necessary to get him to sign for us.

This may seem sensible to get the player we wanted but the result yesterday was we missed having a real captain to encourage, guide and motivate on the field. Having the main man up front leaves him isolated from his team mates for too long.

Having said all of the above, I thought that he is more than capable of doing the real job he was recruited for,especially once fit.
 
As much as I like Davies & as glad as I am that he is back with us, I hope to god that he isn't going to be our 1st choice full back. Yes he has plenty of experience (something which the side didn't have in abundance yesterday), and he is very good from the dead ball, but I think we have better options overall. Personally I would have liked to see Alcock at full back with Collins partnering young Harrison in the middle. For the stick people have given Collins over the last few seasons, he is exactly what we were missing yesterday... a leader at the back.

Overall, I'm not overly disappointed about the performance. I think there are more positives than negatives, namely Reed (how good does that lad look by the way?), Higdon getting a 90 minute run out & seeing some of the excellent football we are capable of producing (in glimpses) in that first half.

Still confident of a promotion this season... don't think we'll win it. Bristol are a very, very good team & if they can keep hold of Baldock, I rekon they'll walk this division. How good was that Wilbraham by the way? Looked a class above everyone else! Bloody good signing that.

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Whilst I think Davies is a bit limited at certain things I still think he has some qualities. Like you said his dead ball abilities are particularly good, counting pre season and today we have already converted a few of them. Who have we got who can put in the same quality of ball?

As for Collins agree 100%, would like to think that Butler would have done a similar job to Collins at the back if he had played as well after all 300+ games and a captain for his team he is cut from the same cloth.
 
I think some comments on here may come back to haunt a few, just as the early slating of Murphy, Flynn, Coady and the signing of Scoogs last year.
Talking of Coady, I think watching Reed yesterday might highlight why Clough didn't want to over pay early for Coady.

Think about swapping Coady for Basham. rather than Reed.
 
We need a Morgan type leader at CB. I was hoping that was going to be Butler. It Certainly isn't Collins. Higdon has a good presense about him up top. We need to replicate that at the back if Reed and Scougall are going to progress in the midfield.
 
Think about swapping Coady for Basham. rather than Reed.

I still think Basham will come good personally. I don't think you can judge a player after one competitive game, he needs to gel and to get used to his team mates. I think as soon as he starts to see what we are all about and how we like to play he will improve. He is a steady player at the end of the day, he was a favourite at Blackpool for his work rate and ability to control the tempo of a game.

I agree with you that he was disappointing yesterday mate 100% but then again a good few players were the same in spells. I am quietly confident that he will turn it around.
 
I still think Basham will come good personally. I don't think you can judge a player after one competitive game, he needs to gel and to get used to his team mates. I think as soon as he starts to see what we are all about and how we like to play he will improve. He is a steady player at the end of the day, he was a favourite at Blackpool for his work rate and ability to control the tempo of a game.

I agree with you that he was disappointing yesterday mate 100% but then again a good few players were the same in spells. I am quietly confident that he will turn it around.

I hope so Chezzy. We need some of these signings to start shining. I am confident we will sort it out quickly and get moving. I am hoping Basham just had a nervous debut because he needed to help Louis out more yesterday.
 
Like a lot of folk on here and elsewhere no doubt, I was befuddled at NC's team selection and we tried to ascertain how he was going to play it. Bumped into Silent before the game and his take on it was spot on with Alcock lining up at the side of McGahey.

A radical and brave move on Clough's part but I was filled with foreboding that it would come back to bite him, and defeat meant it came to pass that it did....
I was sure he'd go 'safe', save for one or two difficult choices, pick what a lot regard as last seasons finishers plus a sprinkling of new boys.
It'll be interesting to see if he perseveres with the route he's taken thus far, but my bet is he will pursue a 'horses for courses' policy, rather than 'this is my best 11 and fuck what the opposition play'.

Maybe prepare ourselves for some tinkering as the season progresses. If it brings the desired results, fine. If not, get the tinfoil hat ready Nigel!
 

Someone probably famous once said you build a good team with a strong spine. Centre back, centre midfield, centre for'ud. We haven't had a strong spine in a long time. Higdon may be 1 of the 3, time will tell, but we've lost 1 of the other 2 and the other one has been Doyle and appears now to be Basham. Oh dear.
 
Over run in midfield, and would be caught out over committing. Can't play both unless you're dropping Scoog.

Coady is quite versatile. For Liverpool and England youth he has always played as a holding midfielder. He was more box to box for us. Also, it's squad game so sooner or later Reed will have a rest etc; I wouldn't be unhappy choosing 3 from 4 of Wallace, Reed, Coady and Scoogs.
 
You need to add in Khan and Dimaio, plus Jose can also play in the attacking midfield role.
I think Coady would directly hold up Reed coming through as well as potentially others.
I'd have like us to sign him but over million was too much for a player in a position we were well covered for.
 
I think some comments on here may come back to haunt a few, just as the early slating of Murphy, Flynn, Coady and the signing of Scoogs last year.
Talking of Coady, I think watching Reed yesterday might highlight why Clough didn't want to over pay early for Coady.

It depends what you mean Bob. Flynn was absolutely awful for
18 months. I doubt anybody who pointed this out feels haunted by the fact that he ended last season well.

Describing shit performance is only an indicator of what might come. But shit performance is still shit performance.

Whoever was proved right, we are entering our 4th season in division 3. I think it's those who've failed to see any deficiencies in the squad throughout,screaming scapegoat every time they see criticism, who should feel "haunted".

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I think you're misrepresenting finding a scapegoat with being able to see deficiencies.
I can list all sorts of areas I like to see stronger but I just don't target individual players to support my point.
 
The key was leadership today, there wasn't a leader on the pitch. At least Doyle would've been giving the bollockings out.

Their first goal was a shambles, can't deny the run from the full back was a good one and yes whilst you have to try and stop the cross, sometimes they do get past and put a decent ball in. But the defending was diabolical from the cross, everyone seemed to expect the other to attack it, but nobody did. Compare that with their Centre half and he attacked most balls with a big shout. It lacked experience.

Second half though the back four partnership seemed to grow in confidence, both centre halves looked strong and alert, but get they still got pulled out of position. Alcock looks a decent centre half as does McGahey, but I agree they need some experience there. So unless butler is the answer I think we need to bring in an experienced centre half before sept. This is something that Clough has said since losing Harry, that we haven't replaced him yet. I don't doubt that the young lads will gain experience though.

We did looked tired, we didn't look composed except when Reed was on the ball, he did a very good job spreading play but I thought Basham wasn't organised or strong enough to support him.

We rushed a lot in our attacks and in possession. First half we needed their goal to kick us into life, Scoogs, Flynn and Murphy all finally bringing the spark and they were running at defenders again. We created a lot in the first half. It was noticeable though that the team wanted to bring Higdon into the game, saw his threat and the number of high balls into the box whilst slightly worrying at times, was effective. Our goal came from some shocking zonal defending, as they were lining up holding hands the sky commentators thought they were the business, right up until Higdon got a cracking header in and split them apart. Their defending was as bad on our goal as ours was for theirs. The sky co commentator then declared "I've never liked zonal"

Second half it seemed the message was to get organised, don't concede early and keep possession. We defended well at times and we were organised, but as we started to get control of the game possession wise, we weren't able to attack freely and keep organised, something which was a trademark of ours last season.

Their second goal was well worked, long diagonal ball, knocked down into the runner and bang. Scoogs didn't follow his man properly and there was a huge gaping hole from centre half to Harris at fullback.

We didn't really threaten too much second half, we didn't appear to have another gear. I didn't really see that 4-4-2 improved things.

Many positives though and debuts for McGahey, Alcock, JCR, Basham, Higdon, plus Reed is only a youngster. I can see the majority of this side being first choice as the season goes on and with some tweaks.

Still very early to even assess players and the side properly, but the fitness was telling with too many yesterday


Good post swiss

One thing regards "we looked tired" I agree with that, but find it amazing how we can actually look tired the first game of the season

For me, the players I expected to shine and take the game to the opposition weren't at the races for most parts. They have been carrying injuries apparently, but then if that was the case, there's an argument they shouldn't have played

I thought we lacked a bit of cohesion and I also disagree with some on here re Collins. I thought he should've started. We weren't tight enough in our own box and they often had too much space.

We will improve, of that I've no doubt. Just needs to be sooner rather than later
 
I think you're misrepresenting finding a scapegoat with being able to see deficiencies.
I can list all sorts of areas I like to see stronger but I just don't target individual players to support my point.
Neither do I, I just say shit when I see it.

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To me this side seemed quite experimental, in regards to the spine of the team e.g. McGahey, Alcock, Reed, Basham, Higdon. Personally I would have saved that for Wednesday against Mansfield. I feel Clough should have chosen a more experienced back line and a bigger midfield. Clough needs to encourage Jamie Murphy to take his man on and get to the byline as this was when he was most effective last season. However we have got some top players in Alcock, Reed and Higdon. One big positive I think we can take from yesterday's game is that physical fitness was not issue (not including Higdon) as it has been in previous years.
Experimenting is for the preseason friendlies the team should be fired up and ready for the first game of the season.
There is no excuse for anyone being unfit other than Higdon or someone that has been carrying an injury.
 
Like a lot of folk on here and elsewhere no doubt, I was befuddled at NC's team selection and we tried to ascertain how he was going to play it. Bumped into Silent before the game and his take on it was spot on with Alcock lining up at the side of McGahey.

A radical and brave move on Clough's part but I was filled with foreboding that it would come back to bite him, and defeat meant it came to pass that it did....
I was sure he'd go 'safe', save for one or two difficult choices, pick what a lot regard as last seasons finishers plus a sprinkling of new boys.
It'll be interesting to see if he perseveres with the route he's taken thus far, but my bet is he will pursue a 'horses for courses' policy, rather than 'this is my best 11 and fuck what the opposition play'.

Maybe prepare ourselves for some tinkering as the season progresses. If it brings the desired results, fine. If not, get the tinfoil hat ready Nigel!
I was surprised when you told me the line up and I thought 5 debuts was a bit too much! Some positives did come out of yesterday's match though despite the result. was disappointed when McNulty came on instead of Porter
 
A fair bit of criticism for Harris. Not his best game but thought the formation (and the players in front of him) left him totally exposed against a good opponent in Little.
 
Someone probably famous once said you build a good team with a strong spine. Centre back, centre midfield, centre for'ud. We haven't had a strong spine in a long time. Higdon may be 1 of the 3, time will tell, but we've lost 1 of the other 2 and the other one has been Doyle and appears now to be Basham. Oh dear.

Doyle can in no way be described as part of the "strong spine". He was the weak link last year and that will certainly not improve with age.
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Interesting last comment Curtis as even our Club-Class clappers have conceded we looked very much under done. If we are fit, then what reason can you offer on why Brizzle won most of the 50/50's and spent the last half hour of the game gambolling past wheezing men in Red and White Stripes?

If we are fit, then I'm suddenly a bit worried.
Fitter than we have been under previous managers. Yes David Weir, I mean you!
 
Doyle can in no way be described as part of the "strong spine". He was the weak link last year and that will certainly not improve with age.
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That was half of my point. :)

The spine of our side in recent years has been Maguire, Doyle and anybody we can find to play up front. I didn't mean he was part of a strong spine, quite the opposite!
 
I hope that after yesterday:

- we will see two proper centre halves (one of whom is Collins) in future

- we will not see Reed and Scougall in the same 5 man midfield. Too lightweight and too little end product

I'd like 4-4-2 myself but I suspect Clough will carry on trying to win promotion with 1 up front.

Of course, there was another reason for a bad defence yesterday: the unnecessary sale of our best Defender.
 

I hope that after yesterday:

- we will see two proper centre halves (one of whom is Collins) in future

- we will not see Reed and Scougall in the same 5 man midfield. Too lightweight and too little end product

I'd like 4-4-2 myself but I suspect Clough will carry on trying to win promotion with 1 up front.

Of course, there was another reason for a bad defence yesterday: the unnecessary sale of our best Defender.
The defender who no longer wished to stay you mean, the fella who forced his move through dispute saying earlier he was happy to stay?
That guy?
 

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