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Days like tomorrow are chapters in the club's history. Our manager has to make some big decisions about team selection, formation and tactics.

From those players available last Thursday it's clear Scougall is out, Brayford too probably and we saw Flynn and Davies pick up knocks. Hopefully Baxter will have recovered from his illness. Campbell-Ryce hasn't played since early March. Collins is match fit after half a dozen games at Port Vale where he played well. Kennedy is unfit presumably. Done's condition is mysterious, I would presume it's a condition which does not permit a starting berth otherwise surely he would have been picked for the home leg, in fact if he starts tomorrow I'll be gobsmacked.

What are our manager's options?

Team selection - players to consider who didn't start last Thursday - Reed, Alcock, Baxter, Doyle, Adams, Diego, McNulty, Turner, Done, Collins. Therefore there are plenty of options.

Formation: 4-5-1 seems cast in stone. In special circumstances, crisis circumstances even, does it have to be? Swindon play 3-5-2 we could match up to that. We could go 4-4-2, which can be every bit as safe a formation as 4-5-1 and can be fluid depending on the state of the game. So we can play 2 up front if we so wish.

Tactics: Our usual away tactics with 4-5-1 are to start cautious and wait for the game to unfold. If the opponents start on the front foot we wait for them to run out of steam. If the opponents are cagey we will take the game to them without fully committing to all out attack. In either scenario if we go one up then we pull everybody back and defend with the idea of swift counter-attacks which often do not materialise. We do not defend well enough to guarantee the tactic working.

Today is the day for bold decisions which will write another chapter in the club's history. Without bold decisions we will likely go out with a whimper as we are in a rut.

I know what I would do but that's irrelevant, though I can't resist saying Collins should start even if Brayford is fit. We have the players to play both 3-5-2 and 4-4-2 as well as 4-51. We have good enough players to win through tomorrow.

All I'd say is that we are least likely to win through if Clough picks some of the players who started on Thursday and if he adopts the same tactics as per usual. To win through we have to be bold but not stupid of course. I would also observe that eight of the players named above who didn't start on Thursday could be interchanged with a significant number of those who started and do at least as well. We have a number of options and to change nothing much is the least favourable in my eyes.
 



And if we somehow did make it through the play-offs, in 12 months we'd depart the Championship with a whimper. We're a million miles away from being ready for the next step up.
dont agree the championship is utter shite , even wednesday can get to 13th , sp many poor sides in it , you look at this season only 8 clubs looked capable
and next season looks like burnley qpr and hull back in it , be awful, mk dons will fancy their chances
 
dont agree the championship is utter shite , even wednesday can get to 13th , sp many poor sides in it , you look at this season only 8 clubs looked capable
and next season looks like burnley qpr and hull back in it , be awful, mk dons will fancy their chances

Brentford and Boro looked so slow and ponderous, barely an attacking threat and any skill between them.
We would walk the Championship with Coutts Baxter and Doyle.
If we fail to go up a lot of these shite Championship sides will be queuing up to cherry pick and plunder the awesome squad of Cloughies wonders.

Meanwhile back on planet earth.
 
This is it now Cloughie, make or break time.
Three at the back we are shit there anyway. Four in midfield, the usual suspects and a diamond front three with Done, Davies and Sparky "One chance one goal" Mcnulty.
Team talk? Bollocks to the team talk just copy this


Now only one question remains...?

Where are my pills?
 
The OP say we have plenty of options :eek: the trouble is for the areas of the team that are critical we have few to zero options, we don't have a decent shot stopper at the club and we only have one recognised CB Collins who I can't imagine Clough picking anyway. That leaves us with either playing a back line made up of fullbacks or moving Basham to CB and we all know what that does to our midfield, not enough fitness in Coutts, Doyle or Baxter, the alternatives are Holt, Adams or Reed, I think without Basham in midfield we will be overun
 
Brentford and Boro looked so slow and ponderous, barely an attacking threat and any skill between them.
We would walk the Championship with Coutts Baxter and Doyle.
If we fail to go up a lot of these shite Championship sides will be queuing up to cherry pick and plunder the awesome squad of Cloughies wonders.

Meanwhile back on planet earth.
PLEASE try reading my posts before making a pigs ear of mocking it Id put top 8 were ok I believe that includes boro and brentford leaves 16 shit sides being added to by prems no hoper

ROTHERHAM GOT AWAY WITH BEING SHITE BECAUSE 3 CLUBS COMMITED FOOTBLL HARI KARI WHICH MADE CHAMPIONBHIP RELEGATION SAFE FOR 21 CLUBS THIS SEASON

the championship relegation battle saw 41 points for 22nd compared with 50 for league ones 22nd club , league one has been far more competitive
 
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Just watching Prseton v Chessie and Chessie get more in the box than we do. And they keep the ball better. Still losing 2-0 on agg but they look more in control than we ever do. And it's not all sideways and backwards as they look to show, receive, give and go again.

We are set up too deep and too defensive minded. It will not be any different Monday as Clough has already stated that we cannot afford to concede.

The tactics on Monday will be the same as Thursday because in Clough's mind it was the refereeing decisions and not the tactics that did for us.

Result. Preston v Swindon POF & the record for the most play off campaigns without a win may well yet be ours.
 
As everybody is asking me what I would do:D I'd play 4-5-1 for half an hour switching to 4-4-2 that early.

I'd pick the following team: Assuming Brayford, Kennedy and Done ( semi) not fit:

Howard

Alcock Collins McEveley Harris

Flynn, Basham, Doyle, Reed , Murphy ( pushed up front after half an hour to go 4-4-2)

McNulty


Subs: S.Davies, Freeman, Adams, Done, Diego, Baxter. B.Davies

Alcock is the better defender than Freeman.

If need be,at half time I'd go 3-5-2 with Harris coming off for Done and Murphy dropping into midfield again.

If need be after an hour I'd swap S.Davies for McNulty and stick with 3-5-2

After 70 minutes I'd go 3-4-3 with Murphy back up front and maybe Freeman or Adams for Flynn or Doyle.

Playing 4-5-1 until the last 20 minutes and then going a half and half 4-5-1 /4-4-2 does not demand enough from the situation. Better to go down fighting than hoping something will happen, make it happen I'd say.

Too much chopping and changing? Tough, needs must and if the players are well prepared and ready and willing they will adapt their roles as the game develops. Swindon will have to respond to the changes as they unfurl, hopefully they will be well on the backfoot after the first half hour which has to be tight.
 
PLEASE try reading my posts before making a pigs ear of mocking it Id put top 8 were ok I believe that includes boro and brentford leaves 16 shit sides being added to by prems no hoper

ROTHERHAM GOT AWAY WITH BEING SHITE BECAUSE 3 CLUBS COMMITED FOOTBLL HARI KARI WHICH MADE CHAMPIONBHIP RELEGATION SAFE FOR 21 CLUBS THIS SEASON

the championship relegation battle saw 41 points for 22nd compared with 50 for league ones 22nd club , league one has been far more competitive

Only because the basket case of Blackpool, resulted in lower than normal target to stay up.
Don't confuse the tightness /competitiveness of L1 this season, for quality. The opposite is true.
Only 18 points covered play-off places to relegation,this is the lowest ever historical difference.
This has meant crap like Chesterfield getting hammered in the play off.

So if you think our current team is so good which players will be fated by the Championship clubs this close season?

I know you're a passionate and traditionally an over optimistic supporter but :-

Team A go up with 86pts ,winning 24 games and losing just 8. Scoring 86 goals
Winning 3 games for every defeat,

Team B with 71pts, winning 19 but losing13.Scoring 66 goals.

Who team looks less equipped to survive?
 
And if we somehow did make it through the play-offs, in 12 months we'd depart the Championship with a whimper. We're a million miles away from being ready for the next step up.
i would take that chance graf we would survive ime sure. You dont throw away the opportunity if it is there and we are 2 wins away come on you blades!!!
 
Only because the basket case of Blackpool, resulted in lower than normal target to stay up.
Don't confuse the tightness /competitiveness of L1 this season, for quality. The opposite is true.
Only 18 points covered play-off places to relegation,this is the lowest ever historical difference.
This has meant crap like Chesterfield getting hammered in the play off.

So if you think our current team is so good which players will be fated by the Championship clubs this close season?

I know you're a passionate and traditionally an over optimistic supporter but :-

Team A go up with 86pts ,winning 24 games and losing just 8. Scoring 86 goals
Winning 3 games for every defeat,

Team B with 71pts, winning 19 but losing13.Scoring 66 goals.

Who team looks less equipped to survive?
I think its better quality now than it was 3 years ago , so hard that orient play off finalists last year got relegated along with notts county who had been up there 2 years and how Colchester rocked Preston
Theres a more even quality across this league than any other,

Id bet money bristol city and mk dons will have no problems in the championship

we have played forest and charlton in the past year and saw no gulf in either game

and who scored how many goals is totally irrelevant in a play off or one season to next
we win 2-0 tomorrow or 1-0 and win on penalties team As 86 goals count for nought
 
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chesterfield won 6-0 3 weeks ago , not really done much for them now has it our 1-1 draw that day dont look as bad , unless we succumb tonight
ps swindon scored 76 goals in the league

weve scored more in league and cups

just hope tonight we get a ref with the balls to give a penalty , well for us of course
 
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Team selection - Reed would get bullied by their midfield I think, bit risky for Adams to start (sub would be great) and Baxter has that knock. I do think McNulty could do a job though. Done if he is fit has to start 100% he's class. Collins won't start because Clough is an awkward tw@. JCR would be perfect for this game but again... another Clough enigma.

Formation - Cloughie isn't good enough tactically and we don't have enough good centre backs to play 3-5-2. Harris or Freeman and Brayford as wing-backs would be quality though. Stick with the 4-5-1 for this game.

Tactics - We need to replicate away performances like that we saw at Bristol and keep it tight, get the ball to our more attacking players, run at them with pace and utilise the wings. The worst thing about this game is our best tool in the cup-games; the counter-attack won't be available to us for more than likely most of the game. We've got to have more of the ball in midfield.
 



Team selection - Reed would get bullied by their midfield I think, bit risky for Adams to start (sub would be great) and Baxter has that knock. I do think McNulty could do a job though. Done if he is fit has to start 100% he's class. Collins won't start because Clough is an awkward tw@. JCR would be perfect for this game but again... another Clough enigma.

Formation - Cloughie isn't good enough tactically and we don't have enough good centre backs to play 3-5-2. Harris or Freeman and Brayford as wing-backs would be quality though. Stick with the 4-5-1 for this game.

Tactics - We need to replicate away performances like that we saw at Bristol and keep it tight, get the ball to our more attacking players, run at them with pace and utilise the wings. The worst thing about this game is our best tool in the cup-games; the counter-attack won't be available to us for more than likely most of the game. We've got to have more of the ball in midfield.

Cant remember Reed getting bullied when we beat them 2-0 at home, playing in a makeshift midfield of Reed K Wallace Coutts and Ben Davies
 
I think its better quality now than it was 3 years ago , so hard that orient play off finalists last year got relegated along with notts county who had been up there 2 years and how Colchester rocked Preston
Theres a more even quality across this league than any other,

Id bet money bristol city and mk dons will have no problems in the championship

we have played forest and charlton in the past year and saw no gulf in either game

and who scored how many goals is totally irrelevant in a play off or one season to next
we win 2-0 tomorrow or 1-0 and win on penalties team As 86 goals count for nought

The discussion was about how the current United would do in the Championship.
In league one this season, there have been 4 good stand-out sides.
Two of those currently should be well equipped to survive a step up.

Outside those 4 the rest are very much of a muchness, and would get absolutely slaughtered playing in the Championship.
We haven't the same quality as last season, we've regressed.

All academic as I'll be amazed if we get anything but a resounding defeat from today's game to underline my point.

There that should see us up :)
UTB
 
the championship to me gets worse every season
you used to get the odd newcastle , west ham drop in and thered be some games to look forward to
having wigan and fulham come in has hardly upped the expectation
we are just rotating burnley and qpr again now and possibly hull so its not one of those eagerly awaited fixture lists in the championship ,
ipswich or norwich staying down will be one of the biggest draws

doesnt set the blood rushing much
 
the championship to me gets worse every season
you used to get the odd newcastle , west ham drop in and thered be some games to look forward to
having wigan and fulham come in has hardly upped the expectation
we are just rotating burnley and qpr again now and possibly hull so its not one of those eagerly awaited fixture lists in the championship ,
ipswich or norwich staying down will be one of the biggest draws

doesnt set the blood rushing much
Better than Fleetwood, Burton and Bury though.
 
This is it now Cloughie, make or break time.
Three at the back we are shit there anyway. Four in midfield, the usual suspects and a diamond front three with Done, Davies and Sparky "One chance one goal" Mcnulty.
Team talk? Bollocks to the team talk just copy this


Now only one question remains...?

Where are my pills?


Very inspiring , and good . Would our Jim Phipps be better doing the team talk.:D

UTB
 
Brentford and Boro looked so slow and ponderous, barely an attacking threat and any skill between them.
We would walk the Championship with Coutts Baxter and Doyle.
If we fail to go up a lot of these shite Championship sides will be queuing up to cherry pick and plunder the awesome squad of Cloughies wonders.

Meanwhile back on planet earth.

Davie , was at that game , and must have seen it completely different . On and off the ball , both sides looked technically better , than i have seen this season in League 1. I do believe if we were a championship side ( and not league 1) , we would certainly hold our own.

The problem is , we are not . We are still in league 1 , so we cant even speculate until we get there.

The championship is a bit like league 1 , all a much of a muchness.

UTB
 
Of the players who started last Thursday I don't think the following are League 1 standard, never mind Championship:

Howard. Freeman ( as a defender). McEveley. Coutts. Holt.

Of the total squad I reckon the following would struggle in the Championship:

Turner. Harris. B.Davies. Campbell-Ryce. McNulty. Holt. Coutts. McEveley. Howard. Scougall. Doyle. Collins. Adams. K.Wallace. S.Davies.

The ones I would be confident of playing well in the Championship are: Brayford, Baxter, Done, Alcock ( defensively). Kennedy, Flynn, Basham (in defence), Reed in another year, Murphy ( not 100% certain though). Cuvelier. J Wallace. Freeman ( as a wing back)

Therein lies the main problem. Clough's recruitment has been poor, 6 of that last group are not his signings. One of that last group might never be fit again. 2 of the last group cost way over the odds.

Ex-Derby players add very little apart from the £2m Brayford.
 
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Of the players who started last Thursday I don't think the following are League 1 standard, never mind Championship:

Howard. Freeman ( as a defender). McEveley. Coutts. Holt.

Of the total squad I reckon the following would struggle in the Championship:

Turner. Harris. B.Davies. Campbell-Ryce. McNulty. Holt. Coutts. McEveley. Howard. Scougall. Doyle. Collins. Adams. K.Wallace. S.Davies.

The ones I would be confident of playing well in the Championship are: Brayford, Baxter, Done, Alcock ( defensively). Kennedy, Flynn, Basham (in defence), Reed in another year, Murphy ( not 100% certain though). Cuvelier. J Wallace. Freeman ( as a wing back)

Therein lies the main problem. Clough's recruitment has been poor, 6 of that last group are not his signings. One of that last group might never be fit again. 2 of the last group cost way over the odds.

Ex-Derby players add very little apart from the £2m Brayford.


This in a nutshell is why we are in the play-offs not the top two automatic spots. It's also why we played so indifferently last Thursday, not at all a surprise - that's the point.

Any manager who doesn't sign good players makes the job difficult. That's why we are scratching about for a team for tonight.
 
Of the players who started last Thursday I don't think the following are League 1 standard, never mind Championship:

Howard. Freeman ( as a defender). McEveley. Coutts. Holt.

Of the total squad I reckon the following would struggle in the Championship:

Turner. Harris. B.Davies. Campbell-Ryce. McNulty. Holt. Coutts. McEveley. Howard. Scougall. Doyle. Collins. Adams. K.Wallace. S.Davies.

The ones I would be confident of playing well in the Championship are: Brayford, Baxter, Done, Alcock ( defensively). Kennedy, Flynn, Basham (in defence), Reed in another year, Murphy ( not 100% certain though). Cuvelier. J Wallace. Freeman ( as a wing back)

Therein lies the main problem. Clough's recruitment has been poor, 6 of that last group are not his signings. One of that last group might never be fit again. 2 of the last group cost way over the odds.

Ex-Derby players add very little apart from the £2m Brayford.


Well I wrote that before tonight's game but no I'm not going to change my mind about Alcock, the lad is woefully short of match practice and can't be expected to come in and play a full game out of position.

I think the rest supported my views but maybe Adams has a lot about him if only he gets game time.

Anyway it's academic for a while anyway. The irony is that not getting promoted extends the United careers of a good few players.
 
Davie , was at that game , and must have seen it completely different . On and off the ball , both sides looked technically better , than i have seen this season in League 1. I do believe if we were a championship side ( and not league 1) , we would certainly hold our own.

The problem is , we are not . We are still in league 1 , so we cant even speculate until we get there.

The championship is a bit like league 1 , all a much of a muchness.

UTB
It was Satire, Ecko mate :)

Agree with you, both sides looked fantastic.
 

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